The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 090 - Jason Pierce

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And we are live, Mr. Gracey, what's going on?

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Show 90. Hey, hey, hey. It's another day. Please

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like, subscribe, and comment. And share. Yes.

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And share. Share it up. people. Before we get

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into the show show. Yeah. I want to talk to you

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about a former friend of yours, bandmate, Mr.

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Yeah, Mr. Ed Kowalczyk. I know you don't check

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out his shit, but I seem to find it every now

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and again. Oh, yeah. I don't look at anything.

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He does. But this this dude is so out of touch

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with your fans and his fans and live fans. It's

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absurd, dude. What do you do now? He sends out

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a picture. I guess they were playing Philly last

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night or some shit, and he sends a picture of

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him like in front of the stage Philly tonight

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with fucking the shitty drummer he has in the

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background and says, this is at Johnny, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, like literally advertising

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that he has a shitty drummer trying to fill your

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shoes when his fans and your fans have been complaining

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about this for so long. He's like. So out of

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touch, he's taking pictures and promoting it.

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It's crazy. Yeah, it's trying to take a dig at

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me. One, I don't care. Two, it's hilarious. Three,

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I'm sure Johnny is a great guy and probably a

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good drummer. And by the way, Johnny, hey, if

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you want to see how I play this part, you can

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go to my YouTube channel and check them out.

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Most of the songs are up there. But yeah, it's

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it's I mean, come on. Eddie's you know, he's

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a funny guy and. He thinks that kind of shit

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rattles me. I don't care. I don't care. My ego,

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my whole life is not tied up in being the drummer

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of live. His ego is tied up in being the lead

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singer of live. That's his whole persona. There's

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not much else to him. But how out of touch, like

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if that's your whole thing, right? Wouldn't you

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want to make your fans happy? Like they're not

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happy that you're not in the band, right? So

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don't rub their face in it, dude. Like, Oh, he

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doesn't care. Like he doesn't care. All he cares

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about is being on the stage and being Ed and

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live. All the other stuff that surrounds that.

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All the little details about the music and the

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stuff that Patrick Chad and I took care of. He

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didn't pay attention to, and he doesn't care

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about because he can just get up there and sing.

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his lyrics and, you know, and be at of live.

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And he'll never know. He'll never know how to

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recreate that. And I just like the thing is,

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like, you can move forward in a way and keep

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your fans, but you cannot be shoving their face

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in it by trying to get to you. Like that picture

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100 percent was so you saw it and would be like,

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oh, he's promoting, you know, my position. Oh,

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my God, I'm so sad. Yeah. Well, it's also funny

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because, you know, Eddie's taken a bunch of L's

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in court and he just took one on Tuesday. So

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that's interesting for him. And a major thing

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happened on Tuesday that's gonna rock his world

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when someone finally tells him. I'm sure his

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crappy manager didn't tell him about what happened

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in court on Tuesday, but he will find out and

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he's not gonna be happy about it. It's gonna

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be very interesting for him to move forward.

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How would you feel with that chat? If your management

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kept something from you that was like pressing

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like that, like that's a serious, I mean, most

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people that know me know that I can handle it.

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Like I don't, you telling me something that is

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bad before I'm doing shows wouldn't affect my

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mental state to do a show. Right. Whereas, whereas

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Eddie is, he's fragile. So we can't, we can't

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mess with this artist sensibilities before he

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goes on stage. Well, he's going to be real fragile

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once he realizes like you're only going to get

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away with touring with subpar musicians so many

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times, because yeah, you will get your fans that

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loved you guys from the nineties and two thousands

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to come. But once they realize this music isn't

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what it was and you guys aren't in there, they're

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not going to be coming back again. You know what

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I'm saying? Like, Hey, well, I mean, he's still

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booking big tours, which is great. Yeah. Send

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me my check. Let's go. Let's go. But just do

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us all a favor and get a fucking real musician

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back there. Is it that you don't want to pay

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them properly? Like, you got a great woman, Zach

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Lloyd. Please don't take advantage of him and

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fuck him over because he's a great person like

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your other three original band. I mean, when

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it comes time to do that, he will fuck over his

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act just just like I mean, it's like the it's

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like when, you know, somebody cheats on you and

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the person that they're cheating with, they end

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up being with them. And that person that they're

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with now thinks that they're never going to cheat

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on them. Yeah. Right. It's the same thing. Like,

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Zach is a great guy. I like Zach. He's a freaking

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awesome musician and a great guy. But when Ed,

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if he needs to, he will discard him just like

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he discarded all of us. Because that's what he

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does. And you know what's crazy about that, Chad?

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That's the one musician in the band that I think

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is on par with the original guitarist. I don't

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know as far as writing goes, just as far as sound

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and being able to step into the shoes to fill

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the role. I don't know where his writing skills

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lie. But that's something that, you know, it

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doesn't you're not like, oh, is that the original

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guitar? It kind of sounds like it is. The bass

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and the drums, they're not there, dude. So it's

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like you have the rhythm section of your band,

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which is a huge part of the music is lacking.

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And I just I don't know how he's cool with that.

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Maybe it's a monetary thing. He doesn't want

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to pay people. I don't know. I'm telling you,

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he's cool with it because he doesn't pay attention

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to it. He doesn't care. He's not paying to teach.

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Oh, yeah, I'm Roman check Roman check. Sorry

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is asking what happened Tuesday There was supposed

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to be a hearing on Tuesday in my lawsuit with

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Ed and his lawyer abruptly pulled out on Monday

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because They were gonna take a big L and which

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that then then pulling out of that peering is

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a big L because they were trying to move they're

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basically trying to move the venue and It was

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gonna be it was gonna fail anyway And now it

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totally failed. So he has big problems in California

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now too. So his lawyer's dumb. He's making dumb

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moves at all for the sake of, I don't know, fucking

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himself really in the long run. Right. Well,

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and now Bill's texting me, Mr. Bill Hines. He's

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like, let's be honest. He's not Chad Taylor.

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Zach Lawyer is not Chad Taylor. I said, I don't

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know. What do you write? So I'm saying as far

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as playing. Well, he would write and playing

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wise. I mean, you know, I've never listened to

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it. But I've talked to people that have and they're

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saying that Zach is, for instance, not playing

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Likini's Juice correctly. Well, didn't you play

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with Zach, though? Yeah. Oh, but Chad was in

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the band, too. Oh, yeah. Well, exactly. Yes.

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You guys had nine people in the band at one point.

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What the fuck was going on with the four guys

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from York, man? I mean, you didn't have nine,

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but you had that's mostly just trying to fill

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out and do some something stupid because he's

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too afraid to rock by himself. Yeah, man. But

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Jesus, I should say. to two drummers, two guitarists,

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possibly three with Ed, a fucking he was probably

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going to get another bassist soon. Exactly. You

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know, we're going to double everybody except

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except himself. Yeah. Right. And then here's

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what I want to ask you about this, because how

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is Ed's relationship with his brother? Because

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when I had Adam on my original podcast, I made

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the statement of saying, like, you and your brother

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harmonizing together, it really doesn't get much

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better than that. Like Adam was able to, like,

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do some of the parts that Ed did on the albums,

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almost like Ed did them on the albums, backing

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them up. And I say to Adam, like, you know, like,

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why aren't you with them? He's like, he's like,

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tell my brother. I said, hi, I'd love to go on

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the road when I'm like. And when he said it,

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I kind of caught me off guard, but it made it

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seem like they barely talk. I don't know for

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sure what goes on there. I know what I witnessed

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personally and. I think Adam's a great guy, and

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I've never had a problem with Adam. But I know

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that, for instance, Adam opened for us a couple

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of times, like on the road. Like Adam in the

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weight? Yeah. Well, no, just Adam acoustically.

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He'd go up and play, and Ed would never watch

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him. Ed wouldn't even go on stage and watch him.

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Wow. That's what I know personally. So other

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than that, I don't know what their relationship

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is. Well, yeah, I mean and then you're definitely

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taking the high road here I'm just not because

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like I said, it caught me off guard and you know

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Just to say cuz I'm like, why are you not doing?

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He's like I'd like to be tell him I said hi and

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I was like, wow, that's fucking wacky Tabaki

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and then now with this live cover band they got

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um This other dude who's on pianos and does backing

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vocals and the backing vocals are pretty good

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But I see Adams putting out music and stuff.

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So it's not like he's not in the music game like

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he could technically be touring with them. So

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it seems like Ed's got a problem with some of

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his best friends from childhood, his brother.

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Like, who's the problem, Ed? I wonder. I really

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do wonder. Yeah, I don't know. Bill wanted me

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to say he's not really liking CT. So but he will

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give him praise. And Bill and I don't talk very

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often, but here and there. So gotcha. Well, Billy

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boy, I love you, dude. I'm getting you on this

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show coming up soon. So you can come on here

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and catch up with Chad and myself. We miss you,

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dude. Yeah, sort of. We'll see if he does it.

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I don't know. Well, he likes me. I don't know

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if he likes you, but he likes me. So he better

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come on for me. But yeah. Did somebody say go

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fuck Ed? How dare you? That's horrible. Yeah,

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no. Bobby, we miss you. If you're out there.

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Oh, my God. Who the hell knows, dude? Don't forget

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our only fans, the gracious two inches. That's

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going to be funny, Chad, when somebody creates

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that only fans. We should we should create it.

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We really should just put pictures of two inch

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dicks on there. Yeah. And our feet we could do.

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Dude, this is this is crazy. This is kind of

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a crazy subject, but I think it's it should be

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spoken about. I think you should again with kids,

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because this is what my mother did to me as a

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kid. Like she read this book to me as I was very

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young. I remember it to this day. It was like

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something about strangers and like not to talk

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to them. And like she just kind of really like

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put thoughts in my head, like know your surroundings,

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blah, blah, blah, blah. But she also would tell

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me like, you know, if anybody wants to touch

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your no, no spots or ask to see it, like, let

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me know. Even if they say, I'll be mad, like

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I would never be mad at you. You let me know.

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I think those conversations are so important

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to have with a kid because when I was I had these

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thoughts of growing up, I'm like, if anybody

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touches me, I'm going to fucking scream, yell

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and I'm going right to my parents. There was

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no there was no talking me out of it like, oh,

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your mother will hate you if you do it. And that's

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what a lot of these predators do, dude, is they.

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Of course, they manipulate the children. Yeah.

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So I. So they're going to be mad at you. Yeah.

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I've had this conversation with my especially

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my girls. I mean, and God forbid if that happens,

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we're going to have fucking problems. We're going

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to have problems. Right. And as you should be

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justified to do anything in that scenario, you

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know, temporary insanity for sure. Well, along

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kind of along those lines, I was just listening

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to Joe Rogan with Jordan Peterson on and they

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were kind of talking about what we've talked

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about, suicidal empathy. Yeah, and applying that

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to the trans issue and how these people are going

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in spaces. And, you know, as I said before, I

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don't have problems with trans people, but they

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what what what the left has done has their suicide

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empathy has caused them to deny the, the, the

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pervy men that can now just say they're women

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and go into women's spaces and children's spaces

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and locker rooms where these poor kids are. Right.

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It denies that those people exist and we know

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that they exist. Yeah pervy disgusting Mentally

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ill men exist and now can just go i'm a woman

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and go in a fucking woman's locker room. It makes

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zero sense About it just makes no sense. And

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so the way to stop that is you got to stop them

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all from going in the woman's locker room. Sorry

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Yeah, I mean i'm sorry because you know, that's

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just That's just how biology is. There was just

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a case and happened out in Kansas City at YMCA.

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A woman walks into a locker room with her child

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after a swimming thing, swimming lessons. There's

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a bunch of kids in there. They walk out of a

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stall and there stands a man naked with his dick

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hanging out in front of all the kids. Whoa. And

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the woman's like, what the fuck are you doing?

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He's like, I'm a woman. There you go. So wait,

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Chad, so is it that. This is actually a law they

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could do this or it's just nobody's enforcing

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that they can't do it I don't think anybody is

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enforcing that they can't the way I'm at this

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particular YMCA That's crazy, dude Like they're

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going to have a fucking person who has common

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sense like literally take the law into their

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own hands Like that's what they're forcing with

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shit like this. Oh like yeah That was my my kid

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walking in there. Yeah, some dudes praying around

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with his dick out in front of my kid We're gonna

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have a problem Big problem. Big fucking problem.

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Dude, did you hear that story of Cain Velasquez,

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the UFC fighter? No. Dude, this is crazy, bro.

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A fucking he finds a guy who molests his like

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little boy. I don't know, seven to ten somewhere

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around there. So Cain finds out and freaks the

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fuck out and goes to kill this dude with a gun,

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literally chasing him in his car, shooting after

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him. Oh, shit. Yeah, he gets they stop and whatever

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gets pulled over. But this dude's doing, I think,

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five or seven years in jail for this when he

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was going like he was in a temporary fucking

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blinded rage because somebody molested his little

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boy and he lost it and went nuts and tried to

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kill the guy who harmed his son. And he's found

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guilty of like if there's ever a time for temporary

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insanity, that's it. Oh, yeah. How do you? And

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I believe the dude who did it. I don't know if

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he's in jail, but he didn't shoot him. He didn't

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kill him or anything. It's just crazy. He was

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shooting at him. Yeah, you can only surmise that

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that was probably some leftist friggin judge.

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They defend the pedophiles and they go after

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the good guys are the bad guys. The bad guys

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are the good guys every friggin time. It's it's

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insane. It just goes to show like the people.

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anybody who makes a decision to put that dude

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in jail should be looked into. You know what

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I'm saying? Like it just, something's wacky with

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that. It is. What up, Jason? We see you. We'll

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bring you on a couple minutes. My man. It's a

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damn shame. It's a damn shame. I hate pedophiles.

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Yeah. They should all be lined up. Like that's,

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they say it's a vicious cycle. Right? So it happens

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to somebody and then they grow up to do it. It's

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like, You gotta rid the world of them. Oh, it

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certainly is. Yes, that is definitely true. It's

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a damn vicious cycle. But you know what I don't

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get Chad? Because it happens to them and then

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they perpetrate it on other people. It's crazy.

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But that was my question though, like how can

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something so awful happen to you and you know

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how it makes you feel and then you go and do

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it to someone else? Like it doesn't make sense.

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I forget the psychology of that and how they

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twisted into doing it to other people. I've read

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about it, but I've forgotten about it. It's just,

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it's absurd. Anyway, let's get on to something

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cool here, but I didn't want to put that out

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there. Parents have the conversations with your

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kid early and young. Let them know that, you

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know, no matter what you're there for them, you

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got their back against scumbags, all that shit.

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It's good to have those conversations so they

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feel comfortable and coming to you folks with

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everything. Exactly. I was wanting to say one

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more thing. Hi, Brendan and Chris, if you're

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watching. Let Ed know. Oh, mister. Hey, that's

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the wrong camera. Yes. Jason live show folks.

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That's how we're going to look at his Peloton

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bike here. There he is. Shaka buddy. How are

00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.899
you doing? Good. How are you guys doing? Awesome,

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man. Thank you for coming on. Oh, my pleasure.

00:17:00.899 --> 00:17:02.820
To speaking with you and seeing you. I haven't

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seen you since what? 2019. Yeah, it's been a

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minute, eh? That's amazing. Hey, is that a Canadian?

00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.640
Come on, man. Of course, it totally is. I knew

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it. I would do my Canadian accent, but it turns

00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.359
into an Australian might. Let's put another shrimp

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on the ball. Every time every time it works every

00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:26.339
time. Jason, I didn't realize that I was such

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a fan of yours until we got you booked on this

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show. I'm a big Evans Blue fan. I know you came

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into that band a little later, dude, but what

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a fucking awesome band. Cool, man. Yeah. Yeah,

00:17:37.450 --> 00:17:39.650
I did a couple of records with them. I think

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it was like back in 2012. I started working with

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them Yeah, and they're they're wicked like super

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heavy records and we actually recorded on a bunch

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of Motown's gear out in Lansing, Michigan for

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that first record and it was like this like weird

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of a modulation of Like old school and new school.

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It was really really freaking cool. It really

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was you guys benefited from all that hard music.

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And then you had the lead singer wasn't like

00:18:07.789 --> 00:18:12.430
that yelly kind of scary singer, you know, just

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just a little scary. Not a little bit. Right.

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And now you're in our lady piece, man. Yeah,

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man. Yeah. I've been in OOP for I think this

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is my 11th year now. So, you know, did you know

00:18:27.930 --> 00:18:31.309
it's OOP for short? I heard that somewhere. Yeah,

00:18:31.349 --> 00:18:33.809
I'm learning. In Canada, we're known as OLP.

00:18:34.529 --> 00:18:37.970
Ah, nice. Makes sense. Let's get into Canada

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real quick. We won't stay here, but are you happy

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with what's going on in Canada? I heard they're

00:18:42.809 --> 00:18:44.730
turning into communists over there. Is that true?

00:18:45.470 --> 00:18:47.589
I stay in my basement and I stay away from all

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those things. Smart, dude. Probably the best

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thing to do. Just sit there and turn it all out.

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There's no winning sometimes. So it's just like,

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you know, I'm in my own little world. I'm in

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a bubble. Yep. So Jason, your mental health is

00:19:03.140 --> 00:19:06.500
much better for that. Really? Really? Ignorance

00:19:06.500 --> 00:19:08.940
is bliss. A lot of times, especially nowadays.

00:19:09.859 --> 00:19:13.279
Absolutely. So, yeah. So 2019, you toured with

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us and now you're going back out with Collective

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Soul and live. Unfortunately, I won't be there,

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but that's a whole different story. Yeah. Thank

00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.900
you. I'll miss you, too, man. I enjoyed watching

00:19:22.900 --> 00:19:25.579
you play almost every night. I got to watch you.

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I loved your drumming. Oh, thank you, brother.

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It was cool to just. All the drummers on that

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tour were great. Nick was awesome. Nick Hughes

00:19:33.170 --> 00:19:36.849
was great with boys. And it was a fun tour. I

00:19:36.849 --> 00:19:39.349
had a good time. Oh, yeah, man. You gave me anxiety

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most nights because I think it was during Star

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Seat. I'd see you going with your hi -hat hand

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as I was playing the pattern. I'm like, don't

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mess it up, Jason. Don't mess it up. Yes. Yes.

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There was one fill that you were doing. I really

00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:53.220
liked in Star Seed. Yeah, that's cool. Right

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on. And yeah, I mean, I became more of a fan

00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.900
of the band too. I knew about OLP and knew some

00:19:59.900 --> 00:20:02.119
of the songs, but it was great to watch more

00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.779
of it and see more of it. Sweet band. Yeah. I

00:20:05.779 --> 00:20:07.380
mean, the whole, every one of the bands is great

00:20:07.380 --> 00:20:10.140
musicians and Rain's singing is amazing. His

00:20:10.140 --> 00:20:12.960
voice is, it's, it's crazy. To me, it's wild

00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.140
to see that voice come out of him. He doesn't

00:20:15.140 --> 00:20:18.630
look like that voice. Yeah. And it's such a unique

00:20:18.630 --> 00:20:22.730
voice, too. Yeah, exactly. Absolutely. How long

00:20:22.730 --> 00:20:25.269
have you been playing drums and what made you

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get into them? I started when I was four, actually,

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and I just turned 40. So that's 36 years now,

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which is a hell of a long time. But I actually

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started because my dad and mom owned a production

00:20:36.930 --> 00:20:40.930
company and my dad sold or bartered a split snake

00:20:40.930 --> 00:20:45.140
for a a Stewart's blue sparkle drum kit. If you

00:20:45.140 --> 00:20:46.839
remember that like made in Japan kind of brand

00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.819
from back in the day. And yeah, I grew up like

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sitting behind a bunch of drummers that I really

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respected and just kind of learned from them.

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And I've just, you know, it's something that

00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:04.019
was an instant connection for me. It was. Yeah,

00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:05.440
absolutely. It was something that's just kind

00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:08.740
of like been in me my entire life. And I owe

00:21:08.740 --> 00:21:11.539
a lot to it. but like at the same point, it's

00:21:11.539 --> 00:21:14.440
a lifelong, like obsession almost. Yeah. Oh yeah.

00:21:14.859 --> 00:21:16.359
I'm kind of the same way. I didn't get a set

00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.759
until I was 12. That's the first time I started

00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:20.880
playing, but I was always into the drums, always

00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:22.619
banging on the back of my parents' seats when

00:21:22.619 --> 00:21:25.140
we're driving around. And we had a friend who

00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:28.000
had a drum set and didn't play it much, but I

00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:29.380
would go down there in his basement and just

00:21:29.380 --> 00:21:32.039
look at it and maybe sometimes sit at it until,

00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:35.819
like I said, I turned 12. And I, a friend of

00:21:35.819 --> 00:21:38.299
mine, or actually a neighbor, sorry, had a drum

00:21:38.299 --> 00:21:40.859
set for sale at a yard sale. It's like 150 bucks.

00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:43.279
There's a Ruther, which is probably another one

00:21:43.279 --> 00:21:45.220
of those. I don't even know if, I think they

00:21:45.220 --> 00:21:48.240
were made in America, but anyway, so I was like,

00:21:48.319 --> 00:21:49.759
mom, I want to buy a drum set. And she's like,

00:21:49.859 --> 00:21:51.920
well, okay. And I was like, well, let me use

00:21:51.920 --> 00:21:54.930
some of my savings bonds to. Yeah. But that was

00:21:54.930 --> 00:21:57.190
the best investment I've made my life so far.

00:21:57.269 --> 00:21:59.990
Wow. Absolutely. Drums always drums. Oh, yeah.

00:22:00.109 --> 00:22:02.230
Absolutely. Chad, you probably didn't let them

00:22:02.230 --> 00:22:05.170
fully vest either. So while you technically at

00:22:05.170 --> 00:22:07.230
that point made a horrible business decision

00:22:07.230 --> 00:22:09.490
in the long scheme of things, it turned out to

00:22:09.490 --> 00:22:12.150
be amazing. Yes. Wow. They were thinking ahead.

00:22:12.789 --> 00:22:14.710
I was thinking I was kind of thinking that. But

00:22:14.710 --> 00:22:16.769
yeah, it was a great return on investment for

00:22:16.769 --> 00:22:20.789
sure. Did you did you just become did you just

00:22:20.789 --> 00:22:23.039
go to DW where you were different? drum company

00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:26.079
before? I thought I saw you post something about

00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.180
DW. I was with Gretsch when we were touring together.

00:22:31.259 --> 00:22:34.680
I originally signed with DW back in I think it

00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.500
was 2011 or 2012 and I was with them for a bunch

00:22:38.500 --> 00:22:41.140
of years but it just didn't make sense for me

00:22:41.140 --> 00:22:43.500
with shipping and all that type of stuff at that

00:22:43.500 --> 00:22:46.660
point to stick with DW and I ended up leaving

00:22:46.660 --> 00:22:49.519
and going to Gretsch. but I regretted it so much.

00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:52.440
Like I'm like I still played their hardware and

00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:54.279
like I'm such a huge fan of their drums that

00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:58.579
like it came up on a conversation with Garrison

00:22:58.579 --> 00:23:01.079
and it just kind of happened. I'm like I have

00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:03.440
to go back home. Good old Garrison. He's awesome.

00:23:04.339 --> 00:23:06.640
Yeah and it's just like their drums just do so

00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:09.319
much and so many different things. They're not

00:23:09.319 --> 00:23:11.859
like a one -trick pony, you know? Yeah and you

00:23:11.859 --> 00:23:14.890
just got to do a set of acrylics right? I did.

00:23:15.049 --> 00:23:17.569
I got a Coke bottle, Coke bottle, green acrylic

00:23:17.569 --> 00:23:21.150
kit from them. Um, I got a USA, uh, or a, um,

00:23:21.150 --> 00:23:22.970
what do you call it? Um, a collector's series,

00:23:22.970 --> 00:23:26.890
uh, right before this tour. And it was a ultraviolet

00:23:26.890 --> 00:23:28.990
purple with satin hardware and they're just like

00:23:28.990 --> 00:23:33.069
ridiculous drums, man. Like, yeah, dude, yeah,

00:23:33.990 --> 00:23:37.569
I was with Pearl my whole career until 2018.

00:23:38.410 --> 00:23:41.690
Oh, cool. Well, actually 19 because we we came

00:23:41.690 --> 00:23:43.769
back together. We got we got back together in

00:23:43.769 --> 00:23:46.309
16. We played 17, 18. And I went to Pearl and

00:23:46.309 --> 00:23:47.710
I wanted to get it. I wanted to get an acrylic

00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:50.049
set from Pearl. Right. Yeah. So I called up the

00:23:50.049 --> 00:23:52.490
new Pearl rep who I'd never met some young kid

00:23:52.490 --> 00:23:54.049
and I was like, hey, man, can I get a set? And

00:23:54.049 --> 00:23:56.450
he's like, yeah, yeah, we can do that. No problem.

00:23:56.490 --> 00:23:58.289
And he's like, it's going to be, you know, this

00:23:58.289 --> 00:24:00.789
amount of money. I'm like, well, I haven't gotten

00:24:00.789 --> 00:24:04.470
a new set from Pearl since like 2002. I got to

00:24:04.470 --> 00:24:07.150
pay for it now. Like, you know, and it sounds

00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:09.960
shitty to say that. to the layman person, like,

00:24:10.019 --> 00:24:11.880
oh, I got to pay for the drums, but like, been

00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:14.539
an endorseee forever and ever. And I had gotten

00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:16.319
a new set for ever and ever. And I was like,

00:24:16.319 --> 00:24:20.059
oh, I got, I was like, wow, I guess things have

00:24:20.059 --> 00:24:22.500
changed. Pearl, they don't want to give me sets

00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:25.619
anymore. So I was like, hey, DW, what's going

00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:28.039
on? And Garrison welcomed me right in, sent me

00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:31.680
a set of, I don't know, I forget what the...

00:24:31.549 --> 00:24:34.789
The lower down series is to get me going as a

00:24:34.789 --> 00:24:38.009
black designer performance. Yeah design or performance

00:24:38.009 --> 00:24:41.950
performance and then and then I ordered a custom

00:24:41.950 --> 00:24:44.730
Custom kit the red sparkles. Oh with the black

00:24:44.730 --> 00:24:48.630
hardware. Yes. Yeah The black it was great to

00:24:48.630 --> 00:24:50.190
the performance was was awesome. They sounded

00:24:50.190 --> 00:24:54.150
great, too but I've been using DW snare stands

00:24:54.150 --> 00:24:57.710
for Probably 15 years because I didn't like the

00:24:57.710 --> 00:25:03.059
post near stands Yeah, then is it like a sound

00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:05.220
difference or a field difference? No, just the

00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:08.920
way it sets up and the way it fits. It's like

00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:11.140
the engineering with DW. It's like everything

00:25:11.140 --> 00:25:14.059
is thought out like so meticulously that like

00:25:14.059 --> 00:25:16.500
you go to like adjust something and it just wants

00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:18.880
to go there for you. Oh, it's amazing. Did you

00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:23.180
ever do a factory tour? No, man. I wish as soon

00:25:23.180 --> 00:25:25.619
as I signed up the because I'm in Orange County,

00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:28.269
so I could drive right up to the Camarillo where,

00:25:28.309 --> 00:25:31.150
where the factory is. Yeah. And garrison showed

00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:33.130
me around. I mean, you talk about meticulous

00:25:33.130 --> 00:25:35.589
engineering, even the shells are like that with

00:25:35.589 --> 00:25:38.150
the costs, the way they cross grain everything

00:25:38.150 --> 00:25:40.150
and the, you know, there's certain woods on the

00:25:40.150 --> 00:25:42.930
outside and the inside. It's like, wow, it was,

00:25:43.009 --> 00:25:46.529
it was a cool thing to see. Oh, that's all like,

00:25:46.609 --> 00:25:48.710
I thought it was like kind of like, that's like

00:25:48.710 --> 00:25:50.470
wood grain stuff that's going on when you see

00:25:50.470 --> 00:25:53.460
it, like fading in from different colors. No,

00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:57.119
it's well, so the way they do the shells is they'll

00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.019
put, you know, a harder wood on the outside of

00:26:01.019 --> 00:26:03.680
the, of the, of the drum and like a softer wood,

00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:05.720
like an ebony on the inside, which gives you

00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.400
more deeper tones, like drums and kick drums.

00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.359
But, but in between, there's usually like seven

00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:14.000
or nine layers of a drum in between. They will

00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.200
cross the grain. So instead of running the grains

00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:18.319
all the same way, they'll crisscross the grains

00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:21.279
on different layers, just gives a different resonance.

00:26:21.460 --> 00:26:24.410
I mean, What's what's guys? The wood whisper

00:26:24.410 --> 00:26:28.150
John is John? Yeah, yeah. John Good, I think

00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:31.670
is John Good. Yeah, he is. Have you ever watched

00:26:31.670 --> 00:26:34.029
any of his his documentaries about finding wood

00:26:34.029 --> 00:26:38.670
stuff? He is like, a wood fanatic. It's wild.

00:26:40.130 --> 00:26:45.309
Yeah, man. Yeah. Who the hell knew all the science

00:26:45.309 --> 00:26:48.269
involved? Yeah, no, that's that's that's what's

00:26:48.269 --> 00:26:50.019
the great thing about that company is they They

00:26:50.019 --> 00:26:51.980
care about everything. It's not just like wrapping

00:26:51.980 --> 00:26:54.380
a couple of layers of maple and then sending

00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:56.519
out a drum. It's like, oh, we're crisscrossing

00:26:56.519 --> 00:26:59.099
grains and picking different woods for different

00:26:59.099 --> 00:27:03.900
parts of the drum. And it's amazing. Yeah. Jason,

00:27:03.980 --> 00:27:06.839
so when does this new Our Lady piece tour start

00:27:06.839 --> 00:27:11.119
and where is it? Where's a kickoff? I actually

00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:12.880
don't even know where the first show is. I love

00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:18.400
it. I look on bands in town because that's where

00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:20.559
I was told to look where where my former band

00:27:20.559 --> 00:27:25.319
plays so oh my god um I know we have a bunch

00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:28.480
of uh like festival stuff leading up to it and

00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:30.619
then uh we hop into the states and it's pretty

00:27:30.619 --> 00:27:32.599
much like two months straight which is going

00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:34.960
to be pretty challenging uh just with a young

00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.000
family and everything it's you know yeah that's

00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.369
the one thing as I was you know, when I had my

00:27:40.369 --> 00:27:42.130
family about coming to get back together and

00:27:42.130 --> 00:27:44.390
doing that tour, I was like, it's tough to be

00:27:44.390 --> 00:27:47.690
out there. Yeah, with everyone at home and trying

00:27:47.690 --> 00:27:52.289
to, you know, FaceTime and yeah, you know, the

00:27:52.289 --> 00:27:54.970
the wife is pissed off and well now my ex but

00:27:54.970 --> 00:27:57.710
whatever. It's all different. Looks like you

00:27:57.710 --> 00:28:01.190
guys start June. Is it June 11th? Or no, those

00:28:01.190 --> 00:28:03.630
those are different shows. I think it's July,

00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:07.450
July, July 20th. Summer Jam in Eau Claire, Wisconsin

00:28:07.450 --> 00:28:10.670
looks like boom. Jason, do you like those or

00:28:10.670 --> 00:28:14.730
do you prefer like concerts like, you know, where

00:28:14.730 --> 00:28:17.750
it's like more of your crowd? Honestly, it's

00:28:17.750 --> 00:28:19.910
it's two different animals. I like the whole

00:28:19.910 --> 00:28:22.009
festival thing because you get and get to connect

00:28:22.009 --> 00:28:23.650
with a bunch of people that you wouldn't get

00:28:23.650 --> 00:28:26.029
to normally, you know, and try to like win a

00:28:26.029 --> 00:28:27.730
bunch of other fans over. But there's something

00:28:27.730 --> 00:28:29.990
really special about, you know, the headline

00:28:29.990 --> 00:28:32.150
dates when you're in an arena full of people

00:28:32.150 --> 00:28:34.609
and everyone sings every word of every song.

00:28:34.710 --> 00:28:39.200
Yeah. Agreed. totally feel the same way. Yeah,

00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.440
but like, the cool thing about festival stuff,

00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:43.579
you know, as I'm sure you know, it's getting

00:28:43.579 --> 00:28:45.819
to see your peers and people that you don't usually

00:28:45.819 --> 00:28:49.420
get to bump into, and experience a bunch of bands

00:28:49.420 --> 00:28:51.599
that you know, you're a fan of as a musician

00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:54.579
too, and getting to, you know, just see that

00:28:54.579 --> 00:28:57.140
so close and firsthand of how like other bands

00:28:57.140 --> 00:29:00.539
tick and how other shows work and stuff. So I

00:29:00.539 --> 00:29:02.480
love that part of the festival circuit for sure.

00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:05.910
Do you capitalize on that experience like not

00:29:05.910 --> 00:29:07.930
just by watching the bands but like trying to

00:29:07.930 --> 00:29:09.910
go and maybe have a conversation with some of

00:29:09.910 --> 00:29:13.849
the members and your peers? I try to I um I'm

00:29:13.849 --> 00:29:16.089
a little shy you know I try to kick myself out

00:29:16.089 --> 00:29:19.390
of my own way sometimes but um I know that you're

00:29:19.390 --> 00:29:21.109
a guy in the back with our drums around us we're

00:29:21.109 --> 00:29:24.269
like hey exactly like you can see me that's good

00:29:24.269 --> 00:29:30.309
enough A similar personality, I think. Yeah,

00:29:30.309 --> 00:29:33.210
right. Let me ask you this, Jason, because a

00:29:33.210 --> 00:29:35.410
lot of musicians and people that you meet in

00:29:35.410 --> 00:29:39.109
the entertainment business are like shy, sometimes

00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:42.069
introverts. So it's like I want like, did you

00:29:42.069 --> 00:29:44.490
realize like what could possibly come of your

00:29:44.490 --> 00:29:46.349
love for the drums and being a musician that

00:29:46.349 --> 00:29:49.150
you could get some fame and like maybe it be

00:29:49.150 --> 00:29:51.509
in some situations where like you didn't want

00:29:51.509 --> 00:29:54.170
to be like around like a lot of people and all

00:29:54.170 --> 00:29:57.589
that jazz? Yeah, you know, like I never really

00:29:57.589 --> 00:30:01.529
thought that far ahead. I was lucky enough that

00:30:01.529 --> 00:30:05.390
I could see that it was an actual path and that,

00:30:05.390 --> 00:30:08.049
you know, being a professional in the music industry

00:30:08.049 --> 00:30:09.910
was an actual job just because of my parents.

00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:12.710
So by default, it wasn't kind of like this thing

00:30:12.710 --> 00:30:14.470
in the cloud that I'm trying to grab. It was

00:30:14.470 --> 00:30:17.890
like really based in reality. which I feel like

00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:19.450
that's kind of an advantage at a point because

00:30:19.450 --> 00:30:21.589
a lot of people when they're coming up, they're

00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:24.150
trying to make ends meet and it's kind of hard

00:30:24.150 --> 00:30:26.609
to see the silver lining of the situations you're

00:30:26.609 --> 00:30:33.809
in. It was never my goal to get fame or anything

00:30:33.809 --> 00:30:36.690
like that. It was just being able to imprint

00:30:36.690 --> 00:30:38.630
on something and be a part of something that

00:30:38.630 --> 00:30:40.970
meant something not just to myself, but to other

00:30:40.970 --> 00:30:43.559
people. Yeah. I guess that's what I was kind

00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.240
of getting at. It's like people don't realize

00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:48.660
like what the by -product is of like them being

00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:50.920
a musician and being great at it and stuff like

00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.480
that. And get sometimes becomes like more than

00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.180
you could chew at some point. Like Kurt Cobain

00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.099
is a prime example. I suppose, you know, he hated

00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:01.240
the fame and the limelight and his band took

00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:02.900
off and became like one of the biggest ones in

00:31:02.900 --> 00:31:05.579
the world. And then supposedly couldn't handle

00:31:05.579 --> 00:31:07.859
it as well and didn't want to be around it. So

00:31:07.859 --> 00:31:09.700
it's like, yeah, you kind of don't you're in

00:31:09.700 --> 00:31:11.259
the you're in it for the love of the music. And

00:31:11.259 --> 00:31:12.680
then all of a sudden, you got a whole nother

00:31:12.680 --> 00:31:14.759
side that you weren't even thinking about sneaking

00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:18.019
up on you. Totally, man. Yeah, that knows it

00:31:18.019 --> 00:31:21.059
well, too. Yeah, I mean, we were just all about

00:31:21.059 --> 00:31:23.440
the music when we were coming up. And I mean,

00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.799
well, well, I will admit the first thing that

00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.000
we the first gig we played as a three piece was

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.539
our was our middle school talent show. And we

00:31:31.539 --> 00:31:33.420
won the talent show. So having all the girls

00:31:33.420 --> 00:31:35.440
screaming at us was a good motivator to really

00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:39.529
I like this. This is cool. Let's do more of this.

00:31:39.990 --> 00:31:43.769
Yeah. I just saw something. I want to put this

00:31:43.769 --> 00:31:46.049
up there. Do you guys know where Cumberland County

00:31:46.049 --> 00:31:50.369
is? Somebody put that up there and it just piqued

00:31:50.369 --> 00:31:52.650
my interest because there's a huge wildfire going

00:31:52.650 --> 00:31:54.630
on in New Jersey and I don't think this is the

00:31:54.630 --> 00:31:57.109
one that... Cumberland County is in Pennsylvania.

00:31:57.670 --> 00:32:00.970
Pennsylvania. Yeah. So Chad and Jason, there's

00:32:00.970 --> 00:32:04.190
like 14 ,000 acres in New Jersey that's been

00:32:04.190 --> 00:32:09.130
on fire since Like two, two days ago and they

00:32:09.130 --> 00:32:12.549
cut it off. So they fought fire with fire. That's

00:32:12.549 --> 00:32:14.369
how big it was. They had to like, so it was burning

00:32:14.369 --> 00:32:16.470
in one spot. They had to like burn into it. Yeah.

00:32:16.470 --> 00:32:19.150
Yeah. Yeah. That's what they do. I'm very familiar

00:32:19.150 --> 00:32:20.849
with that living in California would know all

00:32:20.849 --> 00:32:23.829
about that. But I heard they call it an arsonist

00:32:23.829 --> 00:32:27.069
doing it. Didn't they catch a guy? Yeah. Yep.

00:32:28.130 --> 00:32:30.970
Supposedly it was like a 19 year old kid and

00:32:30.970 --> 00:32:33.329
he didn't do it on purpose. He was setting wood

00:32:33.329 --> 00:32:36.200
pallets on fire in the, uh, in the in the woods.

00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:38.720
I'm guessing this is his story. But come on,

00:32:38.819 --> 00:32:43.000
dude, you can't be that dumb. You can claim to

00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.680
be. Yes. Yeah. You can try it, but good luck.

00:32:47.140 --> 00:32:50.680
Good after the fact. But so when the fire started,

00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:53.079
I had never seen smoke like this in the sky.

00:32:53.099 --> 00:32:55.960
So I'm like driving and I say, I'm like, holy

00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:59.500
shit, there's a huge storm rolling in. And then,

00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:01.700
you know, like start hearing like on Facebook

00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:03.180
and I was, oh, there's huge fire. And then I'm

00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:05.529
start to smell. I'm like, oh, shit. And we live

00:33:05.529 --> 00:33:08.849
close to a fucking decommissioned nuclear power

00:33:08.849 --> 00:33:11.410
plant. So, um, Oh God. Yeah. I was getting a

00:33:11.410 --> 00:33:14.230
little freaked out. Yeah. Unfortunately, I'm

00:33:14.230 --> 00:33:15.809
all too accustomed to that living in Southern

00:33:15.809 --> 00:33:19.170
California. What power plants or the fires? The

00:33:19.170 --> 00:33:21.730
fires. It's just to see you. I can immediately

00:33:21.730 --> 00:33:25.029
go, Oh, there's a fire, huge frigging smoke plume.

00:33:25.069 --> 00:33:27.990
That's not a cloud. Oh God. That's terrifying.

00:33:28.029 --> 00:33:31.230
It's wild. Yeah, it is. There's been one that

00:33:31.230 --> 00:33:33.920
was kind of close to me that was far enough away

00:33:33.920 --> 00:33:36.000
that would never get. But I mean, you could I

00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.660
could watch it burn up on the hill on the mountainside.

00:33:38.859 --> 00:33:41.839
Oof. Well, that was recently the latest L .A.

00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:44.940
fires that wasn't like started in woods or something.

00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.859
Right. It was like that was arson, too. And I

00:33:48.859 --> 00:33:50.859
think it was like on the houses or something.

00:33:51.099 --> 00:33:53.559
They think. Yeah. The last thing I heard was

00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.339
that the Altadena fire was electrical lines.

00:33:57.339 --> 00:33:59.819
But the one in Palisades, I think, was arson.

00:33:59.859 --> 00:34:03.009
But they don't. I don't think anybody yet. That's

00:34:03.009 --> 00:34:05.170
crazy. One of the Palisades was the... Well,

00:34:05.269 --> 00:34:06.730
Altadena was pretty devastating, too. That burned

00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:09.489
a lot of residential area, but Palisades... I

00:34:09.489 --> 00:34:11.050
mean, the whole place burnt down. It's crazy.

00:34:11.389 --> 00:34:13.369
Can you imagine that's your thing? Like, oh,

00:34:13.369 --> 00:34:15.949
I want to start fires and watch devastation.

00:34:16.630 --> 00:34:19.929
Like, dude, what the fuck, Matt? Yeah. Well,

00:34:20.110 --> 00:34:23.670
it's sickos. Yeah. Really? Really? And sometimes,

00:34:23.969 --> 00:34:26.110
in rare occasions, it's firemen that start the

00:34:26.110 --> 00:34:28.570
fires because then they can go fight it. Oh,

00:34:28.570 --> 00:34:33.110
wow. That's a fucking crazy... Yeah, I've heard

00:34:33.110 --> 00:34:36.030
cases where it's like firemen's a firebug and

00:34:36.030 --> 00:34:37.909
arsonists and they start fire so that they can

00:34:37.909 --> 00:34:40.349
respond and fight it. It's like, what makes sense?

00:34:41.389 --> 00:34:43.849
Jason, I want to bring up something serious here

00:34:43.849 --> 00:34:46.409
that I that I found out about. You had a real.

00:34:46.550 --> 00:34:48.570
Well, yeah, it's nothing crazy like that, but

00:34:48.570 --> 00:34:53.269
it's scary. You had a bad bout of pneumonia in

00:34:53.269 --> 00:34:56.389
2005, according to your Wikipedia. Is that is

00:34:56.389 --> 00:35:03.190
that true? No, that's not. There you go. Wikipedia.

00:35:03.710 --> 00:35:06.110
Yeah. And don't trust the celebrity network thing

00:35:06.110 --> 00:35:08.289
either. It's like nothing's accurate on there.

00:35:08.289 --> 00:35:13.550
You're not worth two billion. Holy shit. Oh,

00:35:13.550 --> 00:35:16.469
that's funny. Were you sick at all in 2005, Jason?

00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:20.389
That was a long time ago, guys. Yeah. 20 years

00:35:20.389 --> 00:35:26.409
ago. That's hysterical, dude. That's why I usually

00:35:26.409 --> 00:35:29.420
don't trust Wikipedia, but I thought that you

00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:31.880
couldn't go in and change it like you used to

00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.980
back in the day. I thought you needed to be selected

00:35:34.980 --> 00:35:37.139
to do these things nowadays, so I figured they

00:35:37.139 --> 00:35:40.059
were a little bit better with their info. Back

00:35:40.059 --> 00:35:43.079
in the day, couldn't anybody go in and change

00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.340
the Wikipedia? I think so. Yeah, something like

00:35:45.340 --> 00:35:47.539
that. I think anyone could be an editor back

00:35:47.539 --> 00:35:50.099
then, but I don't know who thought ahead. Jason,

00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:51.780
it sounds like you need to get in there and edit

00:35:51.780 --> 00:35:58.449
the truth into your profile. That's funny. Jason,

00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:02.610
how does the like creating an album go with our

00:36:02.610 --> 00:36:05.369
lady piece? Is it somebody bring in the songs

00:36:05.369 --> 00:36:07.550
to the table? Is it you guys in a room working

00:36:07.550 --> 00:36:09.309
stuff out? How does that go? Great question.

00:36:09.329 --> 00:36:12.869
I was going to ask that myself. How the process

00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:16.210
goes. Yeah, it's it's kind of like a communal

00:36:16.210 --> 00:36:18.570
thing where everyone has the chance to bring

00:36:18.570 --> 00:36:21.130
ideas in. And it's always, you know, the best

00:36:21.130 --> 00:36:23.909
idea wins, best song way wins and whatever is

00:36:23.909 --> 00:36:28.159
best for the song. So. you know uh last this

00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:31.300
last bout um we're still uh recording the new

00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:32.860
record right now but like this batch of songs

00:36:32.860 --> 00:36:35.239
that we have uh we flew to la with like a bunch

00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.500
of demos got in a room together just like hash

00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:40.739
stuff out kind of form them into a like a pre

00:36:40.739 --> 00:36:43.039
-production state and get ready to actually go

00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:46.679
into the studio so um yeah it's uh it's a really

00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.920
uh supported way of doing it and not like one

00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:52.380
person running the whole ship you know there

00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:55.500
is like a hierarchy obviously being a band that's

00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:58.139
over 30 years old and everything but like you

00:36:58.139 --> 00:37:00.880
know it's uh everyone tries to support each other

00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:03.280
and lift each other up that's very cool yeah

00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.039
that's we used to write like that our first four

00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:08.639
records were kind of written like that yeah in

00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.199
a room hashing out ideas and it was it was a

00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:14.059
great way to do it that's my favorite way to

00:37:14.059 --> 00:37:17.460
make music is everyone sits in a room hash everyone

00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:20.840
can you know contribute something or an arrangement

00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:25.599
or make this section longer try this part, but

00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.199
kind of stopped doing that. Unfortunately, it

00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.659
just seems like more heads are better than, you

00:37:32.659 --> 00:37:35.460
know, one or two. Like you would think unless

00:37:35.460 --> 00:37:37.739
they're just completely fucking crazy and giving

00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:41.219
you bad ideas all the time then. But, you know,

00:37:41.320 --> 00:37:45.340
when you guys have proven it over and over. Have

00:37:45.340 --> 00:37:48.880
you ever been handed like like sheet music like

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:50.679
Jason? This is this is what we need you to play

00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.929
right here. No improvise. Don't put any music,

00:37:55.949 --> 00:37:59.429
Jason, drum music. I can read music to a point.

00:37:59.429 --> 00:38:01.949
I have my own system for charting and stuff like

00:38:01.949 --> 00:38:04.170
that. I've done like a lot of sessions and stuff,

00:38:04.190 --> 00:38:06.230
so I got really good at being able to learn songs

00:38:06.230 --> 00:38:09.550
quickly. But I've never been like handed sheet

00:38:09.550 --> 00:38:13.389
music ever like. which is great. I've been handed

00:38:13.389 --> 00:38:15.489
like charts and stuff for like arrangements and

00:38:15.489 --> 00:38:17.150
stuff, but it's never been like a note for note

00:38:17.150 --> 00:38:19.449
thing being like, you know, you missed that quarter

00:38:19.449 --> 00:38:22.449
note in bar 92. I'm like, I'm sure I did. Yeah,

00:38:22.530 --> 00:38:26.550
it's gone. I am amazed that drummers can that

00:38:26.550 --> 00:38:28.909
drummers can play like that off a sheet music

00:38:28.909 --> 00:38:32.809
and just sit down. I'm like, because I have no

00:38:32.809 --> 00:38:35.449
concept of I've I don't I can't even I mean,

00:38:35.449 --> 00:38:37.750
I can probably figure it out. But I've never

00:38:37.750 --> 00:38:41.059
read drum music or used. Yeah. I haven't had

00:38:41.059 --> 00:38:42.820
to since, like, high school, I think. I think

00:38:42.820 --> 00:38:44.280
that was the last time I've actually had to do

00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.059
sheet music like that. Yeah, it seems like. Well,

00:38:47.059 --> 00:38:48.840
I played saxophone and all this. Sorry, John,

00:38:48.980 --> 00:38:51.860
I played saxophone all the school band, so I

00:38:51.860 --> 00:38:54.840
could read that kind of music like for sex. But

00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.179
I don't try to drum drum music. I just did everything

00:38:58.179 --> 00:39:01.880
by ear. Yeah, I feel you. It seems like it would

00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:03.699
take the fun out of it, like almost like you're

00:39:03.699 --> 00:39:06.760
doing like, you know, reading a book rather than

00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.250
watching a movie type of deal. Not that reading

00:39:10.250 --> 00:39:13.610
a book is. I guess it would be less about like,

00:39:13.610 --> 00:39:15.550
you know, the creative thing and more about trying

00:39:15.550 --> 00:39:17.650
to make it just feel good off the sheet, you

00:39:17.650 --> 00:39:20.489
know? Yeah. A whole other set of challenges,

00:39:20.550 --> 00:39:22.750
I guess. Right. I was just going to say, like,

00:39:22.769 --> 00:39:25.829
why do you like playing music? Probably not to

00:39:25.829 --> 00:39:27.809
do something like that, but something like you

00:39:27.809 --> 00:39:30.690
create or you feel as opposed to just like, oh,

00:39:30.690 --> 00:39:35.329
this is the beat that's on the page. Yeah, totally.

00:39:35.610 --> 00:39:37.570
But I've done like a lot of gigs, too, where,

00:39:37.630 --> 00:39:39.610
you know, like the bigger pop gigs where you're

00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:41.780
pretty much expected to play things almost note

00:39:41.780 --> 00:39:44.900
for note. So I don't think that's that far off

00:39:44.900 --> 00:39:47.800
of that, you know, right. And it's the same thing

00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:49.500
on those things was always being like, how do

00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:51.099
I make my heart connected to this? And how do

00:39:51.099 --> 00:39:53.579
I make like, it feel good? Because the audience

00:39:53.579 --> 00:39:56.500
knows if you're phoning it in or if you're actually

00:39:56.500 --> 00:39:59.510
like in the moment, you know, right. And you

00:39:59.510 --> 00:40:01.170
would kind of think if you're picking a position

00:40:01.170 --> 00:40:04.250
like a musician to play, like either, you know,

00:40:04.550 --> 00:40:05.989
a part of your song or in the band or whatever,

00:40:06.230 --> 00:40:08.010
like if you're picking that musician, you're

00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:10.130
probably picking them because you see something

00:40:10.130 --> 00:40:12.730
different in them than just something that every

00:40:12.730 --> 00:40:15.670
other musician can do. Like I was listening to,

00:40:16.590 --> 00:40:19.150
sorry, go ahead. No, not at all. I totally agree.

00:40:19.670 --> 00:40:22.599
Okay. I was listening to Elton John, and he said,

00:40:22.599 --> 00:40:24.639
like, people would ask him to, like, come do

00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.300
a cameo on their record, and he would get there

00:40:28.300 --> 00:40:30.699
and do like Elton John would. And they'd be like,

00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:33.119
no, can you do it this way? And he was like,

00:40:33.500 --> 00:40:36.519
well, didn't you hire me for me to do it my way?

00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:42.900
Like, I'm Elton fucking John. Yeah, man. And

00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:44.860
he still got it, dude. He just put I don't know

00:40:44.860 --> 00:40:46.280
if the album's out yet, but I heard a couple

00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.760
of songs off of it. He put out an album with

00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.760
Brandi Carlile, like they wrote the album together

00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.840
with, I guess, a couple of the writers like in

00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.780
a room like musicians do. And the songs I heard,

00:40:57.860 --> 00:41:01.880
dude, fucking are they great? Like, you know,

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.159
this dude is how old still making great music.

00:41:04.420 --> 00:41:06.460
And then Brandi's got that great voice in the

00:41:06.460 --> 00:41:08.719
background. It's really cool. A lot of a lot

00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.260
of the bands. from that era aren't putting out

00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:14.059
their best work, you know, at this time, and

00:41:14.059 --> 00:41:17.659
it seems like he might be. So do you have a release

00:41:17.659 --> 00:41:20.199
date for the new LLP record? Is it going to be

00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.199
done by the by the tour or you guys? I don't

00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.559
think so. Yeah, yeah, we don't really have a

00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:30.739
firm release on it yet. We've recorded three

00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:33.280
tracks. I think we're getting together to record

00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.000
soon, but I don't think the record itself is

00:41:36.000 --> 00:41:39.320
going to be completed by then. Yeah, I would

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.639
assume fall, I think. Yeah, it's just a matter

00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:45.760
of like finding time to have everyone kind of

00:41:45.760 --> 00:41:47.800
like get in the same room. It's hard like with

00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:49.719
half the band living in California and half of

00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:52.420
us in Canada. Right. It's like, you know, there's

00:41:52.420 --> 00:41:54.960
a lot of challenges and, you know, Rain has a

00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:57.659
lot of like tech projects and stuff like that

00:41:57.659 --> 00:41:59.980
going on too. So I know there's like, just time

00:41:59.980 --> 00:42:03.519
commitment stuff that is a little dicey sometimes.

00:42:03.920 --> 00:42:06.420
Do you guys like to play the new songs live to

00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:10.369
kind of flesh them out that way too. I mean because

00:42:10.369 --> 00:42:12.909
you know you record a song and then or you write

00:42:12.909 --> 00:42:14.769
a song and then you start playing it live and

00:42:14.769 --> 00:42:16.269
different things happen when you're playing stuff

00:42:16.269 --> 00:42:19.309
live. Do you guys do that? 100%. Cool. Yeah yeah

00:42:19.309 --> 00:42:21.630
yeah like one when we have the uh the opportunity

00:42:21.630 --> 00:42:24.710
to um we had a song called uh Stop Making Stupid

00:42:24.710 --> 00:42:29.250
People Famous um that we well we started playing

00:42:29.250 --> 00:42:32.070
it on that tour with you guys okay uh and then

00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:34.090
we finished recording it I think actually during

00:42:34.090 --> 00:42:36.489
that tour so I'm sure some of the parts and stuff

00:42:36.489 --> 00:42:39.550
like that would have kind of come to fruition

00:42:39.550 --> 00:42:43.150
during that time period. Sure. Yeah. How cool.

00:42:43.429 --> 00:42:45.710
I like that process of flesh, you know, writing

00:42:45.710 --> 00:42:48.590
a song and we would take it out and play it in

00:42:48.590 --> 00:42:51.329
front of audiences. And sometimes totally see

00:42:51.329 --> 00:42:53.250
what's working and what's not working pretty

00:42:53.250 --> 00:42:55.929
quick. Oh, so you guys don't care about being

00:42:55.929 --> 00:42:59.730
like not so polished on stage and like kind of

00:42:59.730 --> 00:43:01.869
maybe fucking up if it's something you guys are

00:43:01.869 --> 00:43:03.690
working on that you don't you don't mind. They

00:43:03.690 --> 00:43:05.860
weren't polished. Come on. All right. All right.

00:43:05.860 --> 00:43:09.059
We're going to fuck it up. Okay. All right. My

00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:13.159
bad. I mean, when we play a song like that, we'd

00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.119
have our parts down and we could play the song,

00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:17.239
but it would just the different energy would

00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:19.420
come into it and you'd play a section harder

00:43:19.420 --> 00:43:22.960
or softer based on the audience reaction or just

00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:24.900
how you were feeling in the moment. That would

00:43:24.900 --> 00:43:27.260
translate only onto when you how you recorded

00:43:27.260 --> 00:43:29.139
on the record. So that's what we're talking about.

00:43:29.139 --> 00:43:31.139
Gotcha. Yeah, we wouldn't be fucking it up and

00:43:31.139 --> 00:43:33.480
playing shit. Not at all. It's professionals,

00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:36.980
man. I figured I just got to, you know, Jason,

00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:39.599
I was going to ask you why you went to record

00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:41.800
some of this album in L .A., but it seems like

00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:45.579
some of your band mates live over there. Yeah.

00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:48.400
Yeah. Rain and Steve live out there and we did

00:43:48.400 --> 00:43:50.179
some pre -production for this record out there,

00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.179
but we've actually been recording in Nashville

00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:57.340
mostly. Ah, yeah. With the place. Nick Rasko

00:43:57.340 --> 00:44:00.380
Lennox, who did I think a bunch of the big Foo

00:44:00.380 --> 00:44:04.019
Fighters records, and some Rush records, and

00:44:04.019 --> 00:44:06.880
yeah. I got to play on them. I got to play on

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:11.119
Neil Peart's kit, which was insane. He had every

00:44:11.119 --> 00:44:14.239
size of Tom. I'm just like, what do I need? All

00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.579
of them. Where did you do that? In that DW? In

00:44:16.579 --> 00:44:19.199
Nashville. Oh, Nashville. Oh my God. Yeah. Yeah.

00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:21.340
Because Nick had produced a couple of those Rush

00:44:21.340 --> 00:44:24.260
records. And then at the end of that, Neil gave

00:44:24.260 --> 00:44:27.460
Nick one of his kits. Wow. You just gave Chad

00:44:27.460 --> 00:44:33.159
a boner. That's amazing. Wow. I know. It's crazy.

00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:35.039
One of the custom one with like the cool shells

00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:37.039
like the graphics on the shells and stuff that

00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.880
he No, it was like it was a burst finish kit.

00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.619
It might have been over an exotic like veneer.

00:44:42.800 --> 00:44:46.920
It was made by DW for Neil's like home for him

00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:48.880
to like practice on basically, but he pulled

00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.860
it into record those records. And then like Nick

00:44:51.860 --> 00:44:55.099
liked them so much. That's awesome. Just thinking

00:44:55.099 --> 00:44:57.510
about that. I'm curious how many drum sets a

00:44:57.510 --> 00:45:00.929
guy like Neil Peart had or had. How many do you

00:45:00.929 --> 00:45:08.190
have? Well, I have two DWs and I had like six

00:45:08.190 --> 00:45:10.070
pearls, but I sold some of the pearls and I kept

00:45:10.070 --> 00:45:12.650
a few select ones because I was kind of like

00:45:12.650 --> 00:45:16.090
pissed off a pearl. I have a mahogany kit that

00:45:16.090 --> 00:45:19.849
I kept and a silver sparkle. Oh, beautiful man.

00:45:20.210 --> 00:45:23.329
Yeah, I played that on distance to hear tour.

00:45:23.670 --> 00:45:25.150
It was a silver sparkle. That's really cool.

00:45:25.230 --> 00:45:28.739
Yeah. Nice, man. Jason, I prepared it down a

00:45:28.739 --> 00:45:31.639
little bit. I said I had cases of friggin pearl

00:45:31.639 --> 00:45:33.139
hardware. I'm like, what am I doing with all

00:45:33.139 --> 00:45:35.579
this? Like, I gotta get rid of this shit. Thanks

00:45:35.579 --> 00:45:40.320
for giving me a set, Chad. Jason, what makes

00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.480
you pick like one of these studios as opposed

00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.039
to because it seems like you got a full setup

00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:47.380
right behind you there that could accommodate

00:45:47.380 --> 00:45:50.559
what you guys do? Is there or is it like the

00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.110
producer that makes you pick the studio? Yeah,

00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:57.329
kind of. The producer usually has a wish list

00:45:57.329 --> 00:45:59.530
of the gear that they kind of want to use, you

00:45:59.530 --> 00:46:03.630
know? And I don't have a Neve, you know, and

00:46:03.630 --> 00:46:07.570
$30 ,000 condensers. I have nice gear, but like,

00:46:08.449 --> 00:46:10.710
you know, I can't compete with a commercial studio.

00:46:11.389 --> 00:46:14.929
Gotcha. Yeah, this studio that I'm in, this is

00:46:14.929 --> 00:46:18.070
actually my house. So, you know, the guys don't

00:46:18.070 --> 00:46:20.250
usually come here. Duncan, the bassist, he comes

00:46:20.250 --> 00:46:21.909
up here. We have practiced and writing stuff,

00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:24.349
but the other guys, when they're in town, you

00:46:24.349 --> 00:46:27.170
know, we'll get together at a proper place. I

00:46:27.170 --> 00:46:28.949
was just saying, you can't expect them to go

00:46:28.949 --> 00:46:32.969
to Canada. Come on, dude. They come here. They

00:46:32.969 --> 00:46:35.989
come here. No, I just bust them. And are you

00:46:35.989 --> 00:46:38.389
in Toronto? Is that where you are? I'm an hour

00:46:38.389 --> 00:46:44.769
north of Toronto now. Yeah, up on Lake Simcoe.

00:46:44.989 --> 00:46:47.030
My kid goes to school around the corner, and

00:46:47.030 --> 00:46:49.869
it's perfect. The suburban life, you know? Yeah,

00:46:51.309 --> 00:46:53.650
and close to a city without Mr. Suburban here.

00:46:55.530 --> 00:46:57.670
Yeah, close enough. Orange County is basically

00:46:57.670 --> 00:47:00.710
Suburbanville. The whole damn thing is like suburbs.

00:47:01.210 --> 00:47:03.530
Volleyball dad, he's got his minivan and all.

00:47:03.789 --> 00:47:07.429
I don't know. I've not felt down to that. I don't

00:47:07.429 --> 00:47:09.690
wear Crocs and I don't have a minivan. Whoa,

00:47:10.050 --> 00:47:16.570
dude. Yes. I'm sorry. You can't do Crocs. You

00:47:16.570 --> 00:47:19.730
got to feed off just in the little holes. Well,

00:47:19.730 --> 00:47:24.969
there you go. Now, is this true, Jason? You played

00:47:24.969 --> 00:47:27.050
music with Dallas Green, the dude from City in

00:47:27.050 --> 00:47:30.789
Color. Yes. Was this something to do with City

00:47:30.789 --> 00:47:33.349
in Color, Alexis on Fire or something different?

00:47:34.590 --> 00:47:37.849
When I was, I think, 20 years old, I was in my

00:47:37.849 --> 00:47:40.190
dad's warehouse and this song came on the radio

00:47:40.190 --> 00:47:43.130
called The Grace. And it was this band that was

00:47:43.130 --> 00:47:45.829
being tested for the first time ever on radio

00:47:45.829 --> 00:47:49.070
in my hometown's market of London, Ontario. And

00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:51.090
the band was Never Ending White Lights. And it

00:47:51.090 --> 00:47:53.269
was basically this Canadian project that had

00:47:53.269 --> 00:47:57.090
a bunch of other singers guest on the songs.

00:47:58.010 --> 00:48:00.489
So Dallas was on the song called The Grace that

00:48:00.489 --> 00:48:03.000
became like the biggest hit from this band. but

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:05.179
rain made up from our lady peace sang on a song

00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:08.960
from this record and uh who else chad sexton

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:14.739
from 311 was on this one sweet nick or who was

00:48:14.739 --> 00:48:18.159
it was this a horror record that's what it was

00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:20.460
no it was like kind of like a bunch of like kind

00:48:20.460 --> 00:48:24.340
of atmospheric ballads sick checking it out for

00:48:24.340 --> 00:48:26.659
sure dude it was a really cool project and i

00:48:26.659 --> 00:48:28.659
um ended up putting the whole live band together

00:48:28.659 --> 00:48:31.659
with them And I was in that band for, I think,

00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:34.519
three years. And they're honestly kind of responsible

00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:37.559
for me meeting the our lady piece guys, because

00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:39.639
we ended up doing a tour opening for our lady

00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:42.000
piece, which was my first like arena tour I ever

00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.139
got to go on. It was opening for OLP with never

00:48:44.139 --> 00:48:46.699
ending lights back when I was like 20. Oh, wow.

00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.460
That's cool. Crazy how life works and these little

00:48:49.460 --> 00:48:52.590
things lead you to these big things, man. 100

00:48:52.590 --> 00:48:55.230
% and it's like it was never ending what lights

00:48:55.230 --> 00:48:57.269
management ended up being the same management

00:48:57.269 --> 00:49:02.070
of OLP and was like my segue into having them

00:49:02.070 --> 00:49:04.349
represent me when I was talking to Paramore and

00:49:04.349 --> 00:49:07.289
then them putting me in when OLP needed a drummer

00:49:07.289 --> 00:49:09.590
and like a bunch of other bands and stuff that

00:49:09.590 --> 00:49:11.989
just kind of like, you know, jangled its way

00:49:11.989 --> 00:49:14.690
in and just, you know, held it all together.

00:49:15.909 --> 00:49:18.369
Do you like kind of playing in multiple bands

00:49:18.369 --> 00:49:20.429
or do you kind of like the route like that? You're

00:49:20.429 --> 00:49:22.889
got grassroots in one right now and kind of,

00:49:22.889 --> 00:49:25.590
you know, doing it that way. Or is it cool to

00:49:25.590 --> 00:49:28.949
kind of play in a bunch of different? I like

00:49:28.949 --> 00:49:33.190
the, the security of being a part of something.

00:49:34.349 --> 00:49:37.929
You know, when I was a freelance guy, it takes

00:49:37.929 --> 00:49:39.670
very little to have the carpet pulled out from

00:49:39.670 --> 00:49:43.030
under you and a very good friend of mine. gave

00:49:43.030 --> 00:49:45.170
me the advice of being like, always have a plan

00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:47.329
for when the tour bus drops you off. And when

00:49:47.329 --> 00:49:50.849
you're disposable like that, you know, it can

00:49:50.849 --> 00:49:52.969
happen any time, you know, you say the wrong

00:49:52.969 --> 00:49:54.769
thing, you do the wrong thing. You're just not

00:49:54.769 --> 00:49:56.869
the right person for the gig. And you have a

00:49:56.869 --> 00:49:58.230
plane ticket handed to you and you're flying

00:49:58.230 --> 00:50:01.530
home, you know, crazy, crazy stuff. Well, yeah,

00:50:01.530 --> 00:50:03.349
it's you know, there's there's a million people

00:50:03.349 --> 00:50:06.650
that want those gigs. And until you kind of learn

00:50:06.650 --> 00:50:12.420
how to maintain yourself and fit the mold, Kind

00:50:12.420 --> 00:50:15.679
of, you know, it's really hard to, you know,

00:50:15.980 --> 00:50:20.900
sustain. So having way more with OLP, having

00:50:20.900 --> 00:50:23.099
like a brotherhood, having a bunch of people

00:50:23.099 --> 00:50:25.000
to support you on not just a professional level,

00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:27.800
but like an emotional level too, has been like

00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.760
the biggest thing for me. The camaraderie and

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:34.440
all that. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Well, you're spending

00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:36.079
how much time on the road with these people.

00:50:36.079 --> 00:50:38.579
If you don't have that kind of family unit and

00:50:38.579 --> 00:50:40.599
like the love there, then like, why are you doing

00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.139
it? You're right. And there's probably, there's

00:50:45.139 --> 00:50:48.099
probably bands that maybe don't know that method

00:50:48.099 --> 00:50:50.480
that you're talking about and just maybe doing

00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.260
it separate and stuff like that. And don't realize

00:50:52.260 --> 00:50:55.460
how cool it could be if you all fucking get along

00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:59.039
and do, you know, have the camaraderie. Yeah.

00:50:59.059 --> 00:51:01.099
Well, you got to like, you got to take the bullshit

00:51:01.099 --> 00:51:03.119
and throw it away sometimes because you know,

00:51:03.139 --> 00:51:05.760
what's best for the band. What's best for, you

00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.920
know, Yeah, get the ego out of yourselves and

00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.139
what's best for the band, not what's best for

00:51:11.139 --> 00:51:14.539
this one person. Yeah, man. Or this moment. Yeah.

00:51:15.619 --> 00:51:20.159
Well said, dude. This is a little not segwayed,

00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.219
but that tattoo on your neck, man. Talk to me

00:51:22.219 --> 00:51:25.639
about it. How did that feel? And because I'm

00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:28.679
just imagining that's a painful area. I'm thinking

00:51:28.679 --> 00:51:31.519
it was terrible. Yeah, it was absolutely terrible.

00:51:31.619 --> 00:51:34.019
It was like I have an all seeing eye upside down

00:51:34.019 --> 00:51:37.219
on my throat. It was two sits of like, I think

00:51:37.219 --> 00:51:40.239
three or four hours. Wow. Over a couple weeks.

00:51:41.159 --> 00:51:43.980
And yeah, I was a lot braver back then. I just

00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:45.820
started getting tattooed again for the first

00:51:45.820 --> 00:51:49.079
time in like nine years a few months ago. So

00:51:49.079 --> 00:51:52.360
I've been working on my left leg. And you know

00:51:52.360 --> 00:51:55.699
what? I don't I remember it hurting more. I don't

00:51:55.699 --> 00:51:57.619
know if it's like I'm just like numb to life

00:51:57.619 --> 00:51:59.460
a little bit more now or something. But like,

00:51:59.860 --> 00:52:01.699
I remember when I was younger being like, I can't

00:52:01.699 --> 00:52:03.760
do this, I can't do this. And I'm like, don't

00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.429
stop. Really? For the love of God, don't stop.

00:52:06.750 --> 00:52:11.170
Wow. I've had some serious pain before with tattoos,

00:52:11.349 --> 00:52:13.389
but I've never got, I've never got, I've got

00:52:13.389 --> 00:52:15.250
it to where it's like, okay, feeling like it

00:52:15.250 --> 00:52:16.929
doesn't hurt, but I've never been like, keep

00:52:16.929 --> 00:52:19.869
going. Like this is great. You know, I think

00:52:19.869 --> 00:52:23.610
I'm sadistic at this point. Like it's fine. It's

00:52:23.610 --> 00:52:27.670
fine. I'm good. I'm, I'm, I'm naked. I have no

00:52:27.670 --> 00:52:33.880
tattoos. I made it yet. Yeah, yes. Especially

00:52:33.880 --> 00:52:36.280
on a tour like, you know, everyone has tattoos.

00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.719
Yeah, right. Or seemingly anyway, but yeah. Yeah.

00:52:39.739 --> 00:52:41.500
Chad said he's going to his first tattoo is a

00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:44.420
face tattoo. So that's going to be pretty cool.

00:52:44.900 --> 00:52:48.739
You know, that's what I really liked was a was

00:52:48.739 --> 00:52:52.780
Gavin Rossdale's arm tattoo. Yeah, me too. What

00:52:52.780 --> 00:52:58.159
is it? It's like these angles. It was these angular

00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.199
patterns and they were filled in and geometric

00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:06.079
and there was really precise lines between them

00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.019
that were blank and really cool patterns on the

00:53:09.019 --> 00:53:13.519
left arm, I believe. All -seeing eye, right here.

00:53:14.800 --> 00:53:19.619
Nice. Both on the Illuminati, great. Oh my god.

00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.530
I knew it. So Chad's in the CIA and we're in

00:53:25.530 --> 00:53:27.650
the Illuminati. Man, we're taking over the world.

00:53:27.769 --> 00:53:31.269
Look out. Right. All corners. So, Jason, I had

00:53:31.269 --> 00:53:35.289
a theory last week and you probably kind of could

00:53:35.289 --> 00:53:38.369
imagine this. So in 94, there was the Oklahoma

00:53:38.369 --> 00:53:41.670
City bombing. And then in 2001, there was 9 -11.

00:53:41.989 --> 00:53:45.309
And in both of those U .S. tragedies, Chad's

00:53:45.309 --> 00:53:48.210
band Live in Oklahoma City, Lightning Crashes

00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:51.010
came out and was like the song that was played

00:53:51.010 --> 00:53:53.820
all over with like clips in the background, bombs

00:53:53.820 --> 00:53:56.699
blowing up and all that stuff. And in 9 11, it

00:53:56.699 --> 00:53:59.280
was overcome. So I'm like, it's really weird

00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:03.239
that two tragedies in America came out and you

00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:05.960
both of them, your band was like the healing

00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:08.579
songs behind it. So I came up with a theory that

00:54:08.579 --> 00:54:11.639
live was in the CIA and causing this stuff and

00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.539
using their music to brainwash people and, you

00:54:14.539 --> 00:54:17.260
know, stuff like that. Well, it's it's easier

00:54:17.260 --> 00:54:19.000
to predict the future when you make it happen.

00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:23.739
Right. So exactly. Boom. No, we Yeah, I mean,

00:54:23.860 --> 00:54:25.719
both obviously big tragedies, but we were having

00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:29.059
a good time with joking. That's live. That's

00:54:29.059 --> 00:54:32.079
crazy project. Yeah, yeah, it just happened completely

00:54:32.079 --> 00:54:33.940
organically on both things. We were just like,

00:54:34.260 --> 00:54:37.599
what lightning crashes was kind of it was a big

00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:39.380
song at the time. So it was kind of obvious.

00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:41.360
But then the overcome thing that wasn't even

00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:45.159
a single off off the record. Was that five it

00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:47.900
was on? Yeah, that wasn't even a single and like

00:54:47.900 --> 00:54:51.840
so just somehow spontaneously VH1 made this video

00:54:51.840 --> 00:54:54.539
with it and and it was just played all the time

00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:56.679
during 9 -eleven. That's amazing for the band.

00:54:57.260 --> 00:54:59.860
Yeah, and you know, we were trying we the record

00:54:59.860 --> 00:55:02.199
was out and we were like, well, let's let's make

00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.380
it a single and we'll donate some of the proceeds

00:55:05.380 --> 00:55:07.719
to the 9 -eleven fund or what I guess it didn't

00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:09.840
exist then but to whatever we can and the rec

00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:17.610
coming is like now And it's all it's getting

00:55:17.610 --> 00:55:20.889
free radio play and free VH1 and MTV play like

00:55:20.889 --> 00:55:23.570
if they would have capitalized on that it's absurd

00:55:23.570 --> 00:55:30.610
Yeah, I mean Yeah, I mean make make something

00:55:30.610 --> 00:55:32.449
out of it and our company didn't want to do it.

00:55:32.449 --> 00:55:35.610
That's that record was wild we had like three

00:55:35.610 --> 00:55:38.769
big chances like that to do something and they

00:55:38.769 --> 00:55:41.519
a couple movies and they wouldn't Oh, man, they

00:55:41.519 --> 00:55:43.860
just slept on all of them. Yeah, it was wild.

00:55:44.619 --> 00:55:47.539
That was the fifth record, obviously, named five,

00:55:47.559 --> 00:55:51.260
but on MCA. And there was a whole new guard there.

00:55:51.300 --> 00:55:53.059
They didn't give a shit about us. It was wild.

00:55:53.820 --> 00:55:56.440
Yeah. That's crazy how that happens. Yeah, totally.

00:55:58.619 --> 00:56:02.039
Yeah, it really is. So what was I going to say

00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.260
about... Oh, so I think the conspiracy goes deeper

00:56:04.260 --> 00:56:07.710
because you guys had that... Cause you were planning

00:56:07.710 --> 00:56:10.989
or knew the 2001 was happening and you had that

00:56:10.989 --> 00:56:14.230
overcome song in 98, dude. That's the scary part.

00:56:14.449 --> 00:56:16.929
And then it doesn't get released till 2001 when

00:56:16.929 --> 00:56:20.130
it happens. So it was all planned and our CIA

00:56:20.130 --> 00:56:22.309
handler was told to start writing it in 98. Yes,

00:56:22.949 --> 00:56:25.869
exactly. Yeah. Jason, I promise you. I'm not

00:56:25.869 --> 00:56:28.900
crazy. I'm just having some fun here. It's fine.

00:56:29.059 --> 00:56:31.760
It's fine. This is like, what did I get myself

00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:33.940
into? It's a little uncomfortable over here in

00:56:33.940 --> 00:56:38.840
Canada. Oh, my. You should be used to that. It

00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:44.719
is Canada. I mean, come on. But hey, a lot of

00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.739
my favorite people came out of Canada, dude.

00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:51.679
Jim Carrey, John Candy, some other J .C. initials,

00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.760
right? Jim Carrey, John Candy, Justin Bieber,

00:56:55.219 --> 00:56:57.079
who I believe you played. Did you play with him

00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:01.090
or something? Yeah, play music for a while. That's

00:57:01.090 --> 00:57:03.630
sick, man. Yeah, yeah. He was he was amazing.

00:57:03.949 --> 00:57:06.369
Like, I've never heard girls scream that loud

00:57:06.369 --> 00:57:08.570
in my life. Oh, my God. Yeah, I can't imagine.

00:57:09.610 --> 00:57:13.489
Yeah, that was it. Was it during his like, you

00:57:13.489 --> 00:57:16.110
know, because he came into the business like

00:57:16.110 --> 00:57:19.889
young and had to like kind of get his way in

00:57:19.889 --> 00:57:21.710
the world. Was it was he going through like a

00:57:21.710 --> 00:57:23.369
crazy phase at the time you were working with

00:57:23.369 --> 00:57:25.429
him? Or was it like one of his, you know, like

00:57:25.429 --> 00:57:28.719
now normal? No, it was um, like right when he

00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.900
was starting to really really blow up He wasn't

00:57:30.900 --> 00:57:32.840
like in the stadiums or anything like that yet

00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:35.460
But um, I actually played on the the debut of

00:57:35.460 --> 00:57:39.159
his song baby. Oh wow did this Yeah, we did this

00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:41.599
uh, like intimate and interactive thing at much

00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:45.860
music, which is kind of like Canada's MTV And

00:57:45.860 --> 00:57:50.099
yeah was it was it was intense man like I think

00:57:50.099 --> 00:57:52.760
they were so secret about the song itself that

00:57:52.760 --> 00:57:55.400
they wouldn't show me the actual track and I

00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:58.300
had to like I had to chart the song off of a

00:57:58.300 --> 00:58:00.500
backing track with just like backing vocals going

00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:04.179
on and stuff. Wow. Oh, it was like, yeah, we

00:58:04.179 --> 00:58:06.079
got like one run through before we like started

00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:09.739
taping and shit. Yeah. That's a high pressure

00:58:09.739 --> 00:58:14.139
situation. For real, man. Just terrifying music.

00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:16.599
Oh, my God. Are they worried like you're going

00:58:16.599 --> 00:58:18.960
to leak the song or something? Like, what's the

00:58:18.960 --> 00:58:21.659
thought process behind that? Probably. Yeah,

00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.559
it was probably something to do with that. Like,

00:58:23.579 --> 00:58:26.260
you know. I didn't have to sign like an NDA or

00:58:26.260 --> 00:58:30.119
anything. So like, Oh, that's wild. I've never

00:58:30.119 --> 00:58:32.280
even heard about anything like that. That's crazy.

00:58:33.039 --> 00:58:34.860
Yeah. I like that type of pressure though, man.

00:58:34.940 --> 00:58:37.179
Like I like, you know, that kind of fly like

00:58:37.179 --> 00:58:42.119
that swim. You work better under like the, the,

00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:44.159
the pressure as opposed to, Oh, I got all the

00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.820
time in the world here. Let's play it slow. No,

00:58:46.900 --> 00:58:48.280
that's not, I don't know. I don't know if I work

00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.429
better. I'm not going to say it's better. I'm

00:58:50.429 --> 00:58:52.909
just going to say that I can survive if that

00:58:52.909 --> 00:58:59.650
happens. That makes sense. So, yeah, I guess

00:58:59.650 --> 00:59:01.690
I'm going to say I work better under pressure,

00:59:01.829 --> 00:59:03.670
too. That's why I procrastinate. I like to give

00:59:03.670 --> 00:59:06.909
myself the least amount of time and then boom,

00:59:06.989 --> 00:59:09.630
get right to it. Got to go, got to go. That's

00:59:09.630 --> 00:59:14.309
awesome. Are you this is I try to ask this to

00:59:14.309 --> 00:59:15.809
a lot of musicians, but I don't know if I ever

00:59:15.809 --> 00:59:19.429
do. Do you believe that records sound better

00:59:19.429 --> 00:59:24.210
than CDs or like, you know, digital files? Oh,

00:59:24.210 --> 00:59:28.570
the old like vinyl thing. Yeah. Yeah, there's,

00:59:28.690 --> 00:59:30.329
there's a different life on a record. I believe

00:59:30.329 --> 00:59:32.150
it makes a big difference when you're like recording

00:59:32.150 --> 00:59:35.230
to tape compared to digital. If you're starting

00:59:35.230 --> 00:59:37.530
there, then you're going to get like a way different

00:59:37.530 --> 00:59:39.570
product by the time it makes it onto vinyl. If

00:59:39.570 --> 00:59:41.769
you're, you know, printing into Pro Tools and

00:59:41.769 --> 00:59:44.159
then putting it onto vinyl, it's like, you've

00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:47.159
already kind of lost how much information. Gotcha.

00:59:47.280 --> 00:59:51.019
Exactly. You know, you guys recorded on 24 track

00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:54.940
tape? No, no, no, no. I wish. But I know. No,

00:59:55.039 --> 00:59:57.219
man. It's great for bass and drums. I mean, that's

00:59:57.219 --> 00:59:59.800
where it really, really is. Bass drums, man,

00:59:59.920 --> 01:00:02.619
through on tape. Like, come on. Yeah. Yeah. Like,

01:00:02.800 --> 01:00:05.739
yeah. How come? Is there is there something going

01:00:05.739 --> 01:00:09.579
going on from like when it's converted to a digital

01:00:09.579 --> 01:00:11.789
signal or something? We can't explain it to you,

01:00:11.889 --> 01:00:17.309
John. Got you. I'm just kidding. Well, no, because

01:00:17.309 --> 01:00:19.809
you could hear it as a fan of music. Like you

01:00:19.809 --> 01:00:22.789
hear like something doesn't sound like as warm

01:00:22.789 --> 01:00:25.369
or something as it used to, or it just sounds

01:00:25.369 --> 01:00:28.349
like processed or something. So it's like even

01:00:28.349 --> 01:00:30.510
the layman kind of could pick up on it. But I

01:00:30.510 --> 01:00:32.730
was just wondering if you like knew where it

01:00:32.730 --> 01:00:36.110
was getting lost in translation. But the best

01:00:36.110 --> 01:00:38.809
way the best way it was explained to me was that

01:00:38.809 --> 01:00:41.000
like picture like a hole in the wall. and you're

01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.159
throwing like a bucket of water at the hole of

01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:45.199
the wall. A bunch of the water is going to go

01:00:45.199 --> 01:00:46.500
through the hole, but a bunch is going to hit

01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:49.019
the wall and just get lost. That's kind of like

01:00:49.019 --> 01:00:52.500
audio going into digital. Got you. Right. Yeah.

01:00:52.820 --> 01:00:55.940
That's a good explanation. I like that. That

01:00:55.940 --> 01:00:57.800
stuck with me too. I'm like, I know what I'm

01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:05.179
talking about now. Sounds smart. I got it. I

01:01:05.179 --> 01:01:06.780
got it. It was definitely banging. But as soon

01:01:06.780 --> 01:01:08.719
as you said hole in the wall, I went glory hole

01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:10.960
and my brain went drifted a little bit. But then

01:01:10.960 --> 01:01:13.539
you got me back. You got why you went so quiet.

01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:18.199
That's where I go. Oh, you go to glory holes.

01:01:19.119 --> 01:01:21.559
I don't know if I would, dude, because if you

01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.840
could guarantee me that it's a chick on the other

01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:27.059
side. Yeah. But if it could be like, you know.

01:01:27.469 --> 01:01:30.590
It could be an ugly chick too, but if all of

01:01:30.590 --> 01:01:33.150
a sudden I'm feeling a mustache, you know, no

01:01:33.150 --> 01:01:39.170
good, no bueno. Sorry, Jason. These are the chances

01:01:39.170 --> 01:01:42.030
we take on the show. You got to, you know, you

01:01:42.030 --> 01:01:44.449
got to have fun nowadays, Jason. Right. Everybody's

01:01:44.449 --> 01:01:48.309
too serious, I think. Absolutely. Especially

01:01:48.309 --> 01:01:53.989
with all the turmoil going on. So you so you

01:01:53.989 --> 01:01:57.179
recorded a song when you guys were touring. uh

01:01:57.179 --> 01:02:01.619
back with with live in 2016 that's going to be

01:02:01.619 --> 01:02:04.980
on this new record you were saying it was 2019

01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:08.099
oh 2019 yeah that record actually came out already

01:02:08.099 --> 01:02:11.260
that was spiritual machines too which we uh we

01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:15.239
released we released during the pandemic or um

01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.079
like right when things started to open up again

01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:18.860
but we had to record that whole record pretty

01:02:18.860 --> 01:02:23.199
much remotely so oh yeah it was how long did

01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.699
you guys take off for for the pandemic did you

01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:27.699
Did you tour in twenty one or twenty two take

01:02:27.699 --> 01:02:30.420
off? Yeah, exactly. I was locked in my house

01:02:30.420 --> 01:02:34.480
for about two years. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So you

01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:36.239
guys went back out in twenty two ish, twenty

01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:39.679
three or what? I think it was right. Even been

01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:42.420
like twenty one. I know we went out when things

01:02:42.420 --> 01:02:45.599
opened back up, but like we came home to like

01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.980
another lockdown like the next day. Oh, Jesus.

01:02:48.219 --> 01:02:50.420
Wow. Yeah. And when like being Canadian with

01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:52.920
like the border rules and stuff like that, we

01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.340
Duncan and I flew to LA to do the Stop Making

01:02:56.340 --> 01:02:58.920
Stupid People Famous music video and a photo

01:02:58.920 --> 01:03:01.219
shoot and that stuff. Then when we came home,

01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:03.400
we had to like quarantine for two weeks. They

01:03:03.400 --> 01:03:05.460
wouldn't let us leave our property. And they

01:03:05.460 --> 01:03:07.539
have like officers coming around like checking

01:03:07.539 --> 01:03:09.599
on us to make sure that we're actually like on

01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:11.500
our properties and all that shit. It's like -

01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:13.239
So they let you go to your house and quarantine

01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:14.900
there. They didn't put you in like a hotel room

01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:16.820
for - Well, yeah, yeah. They let us go to the

01:03:16.820 --> 01:03:19.110
house at least. Because I had heard about people

01:03:19.110 --> 01:03:20.949
having to go to those quarantine hotels and stuff,

01:03:20.989 --> 01:03:24.469
which is just, it's insanity. It is. Yeah, we

01:03:24.469 --> 01:03:27.110
were, I mean, obviously, we did three shows,

01:03:27.150 --> 01:03:30.630
I think in 2020. And then we were supposed to

01:03:30.630 --> 01:03:34.530
go to Australia in the spring of 2020. That obviously

01:03:34.530 --> 01:03:36.710
didn't happen. And I think sometime in like 21,

01:03:36.710 --> 01:03:38.369
they were talking about sending this back down

01:03:38.369 --> 01:03:41.070
there. But we would have had the quarantine in

01:03:41.070 --> 01:03:44.369
a hotel for two weeks, not leave the hotel room

01:03:44.369 --> 01:03:46.570
at all couldn't be with that. You couldn't go

01:03:46.570 --> 01:03:48.130
see anybody. You had to stay in your hotel room

01:03:48.130 --> 01:03:50.710
for two weeks. Just get meals delivered to you.

01:03:50.789 --> 01:03:54.630
You're like, Nope. Nah. Nah. Sounds a little

01:03:54.630 --> 01:03:58.030
relaxing. I don't know if I'd be against that.

01:03:58.570 --> 01:04:00.469
Like once in a while. Believe it. I'm a homebody.

01:04:00.489 --> 01:04:03.090
So I do like staying in my house and I could

01:04:03.090 --> 01:04:05.210
get through that. But like just the thought of

01:04:05.210 --> 01:04:07.469
not being able to like not being able to leave

01:04:07.469 --> 01:04:10.090
or walk outside was like, yeah, that's, that's

01:04:10.090 --> 01:04:13.300
different. Yeah. Like if it was like, they didn't

01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:14.940
tell you, you couldn't leave. You could probably

01:04:14.940 --> 01:04:17.039
be there for two weeks, but the fact that you

01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:21.880
know you can't is like, fuck. Yeah. I just thought

01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:24.260
of this. Imagine the maid service going in after

01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:27.039
two weeks, trying to clean that room. Oh yeah.

01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.699
That's a great observation. Cause I don't even

01:04:29.699 --> 01:04:31.360
know if the maids probably were not even allowed

01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:33.219
to go in there. That's exactly. So that's going

01:04:33.219 --> 01:04:35.760
to be two weeks of just frustration and like,

01:04:36.710 --> 01:04:39.269
Just dropping off towels and toilet paper outside

01:04:39.269 --> 01:04:42.150
your door. Take care of me. Please stay. I need

01:04:42.150 --> 01:04:48.050
some human interaction. Talk to me. Please. Wow.

01:04:49.349 --> 01:04:53.250
No, thanks. It was a wacky time, the whole thing.

01:04:53.329 --> 01:04:56.769
Yeah, man. So I always try to live vicariously

01:04:56.769 --> 01:04:58.989
through rock stars, and I haven't been having

01:04:58.989 --> 01:05:01.670
the best luck here, Jason. I'm hoping you change

01:05:01.670 --> 01:05:06.250
it for me here. After the shows, do you do you

01:05:06.250 --> 01:05:08.969
party? Have a good time like or because I'm hearing

01:05:08.969 --> 01:05:11.369
people just straight to tour bus. Go to sleep.

01:05:11.449 --> 01:05:15.309
Wake up. Please tell me different. Yeah, I'm

01:05:15.309 --> 01:05:20.449
pretty quiet. I enjoy a glass of wine and like

01:05:20.449 --> 01:05:22.269
sitting on the couch and maybe a piece of pizza.

01:05:22.590 --> 01:05:25.469
OK, like, you know, very few and far between.

01:05:25.590 --> 01:05:28.110
Well, I like let myself have more more than that.

01:05:28.110 --> 01:05:30.750
Wow. I've gone off in my life. Don't get me wrong.

01:05:30.869 --> 01:05:34.929
I'm not a saint, but like, you know, yes, these

01:05:34.929 --> 01:05:37.210
are different. You do it long enough and it's

01:05:37.210 --> 01:05:40.150
right. The excitement is not the same for that,

01:05:40.150 --> 01:05:42.250
you know, exactly. And then that ends up taking

01:05:42.250 --> 01:05:46.369
away from the actual job part of it. So, yeah,

01:05:46.530 --> 01:05:49.469
you know, it's just we have no Led Zeppelin's

01:05:49.469 --> 01:05:52.690
anymore. No fucking people destroying hotel rooms

01:05:52.690 --> 01:05:55.510
and, you know. Well, if Led Zeppelin would have

01:05:55.510 --> 01:05:57.510
continued, and John Bonham didn't die, they would

01:05:57.510 --> 01:06:00.090
have gotten into the 80s, maybe 90s, and they

01:06:00.090 --> 01:06:01.409
probably would have been doing the same thing.

01:06:01.969 --> 01:06:04.869
True. Yeah. Play the show, go on the bus. True,

01:06:05.170 --> 01:06:07.190
true. Nice piece of pizza, man. Yeah, exactly.

01:06:07.389 --> 01:06:09.070
Have some wine. Yeah, that's fine. You and John

01:06:09.070 --> 01:06:10.829
Bonham would be like, hey, wine, I'm going to

01:06:10.829 --> 01:06:15.050
bed, see ya. That'll put you right down. This

01:06:15.050 --> 01:06:18.309
show has been removing the veil of rock stardom

01:06:18.309 --> 01:06:22.960
since we started, you know? the perception, what

01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:26.539
you guys do like is debauchery craziness. And

01:06:26.539 --> 01:06:28.739
we're not slowly. I think we've been ripping

01:06:28.739 --> 01:06:31.320
it off like a bandaid since we started this show.

01:06:31.460 --> 01:06:33.599
It happens with bands and like they're when they're

01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:36.639
in their 20s and maybe early 30s. That's that's

01:06:36.639 --> 01:06:39.219
where I was when I was going off. Yeah. Between

01:06:39.219 --> 01:06:42.980
marriages. I'm like, Hey, yeah. Have fun. Yes.

01:06:43.139 --> 01:06:47.389
Yeah, exactly. I was just going to say, I don't

01:06:47.389 --> 01:06:49.730
think I've had one Chad to give me. I mean, you've

01:06:49.730 --> 01:06:51.590
given me a couple, but besides you, we haven't

01:06:51.590 --> 01:06:53.710
had a guest on here that's really given us like

01:06:53.710 --> 01:06:55.949
some crazy rock star stories. It's always like,

01:06:55.949 --> 01:06:57.929
nah, man, we really just play our show. Maybe

01:06:57.929 --> 01:07:00.010
sometimes check out the other band and, you know,

01:07:00.150 --> 01:07:03.070
got to go to bed. Yeah, man, you send each other

01:07:03.070 --> 01:07:07.289
reels on Instagram. It's fine. So your normal

01:07:07.289 --> 01:07:12.949
people is basically what it is. Wow. Wow. Crazy

01:07:12.949 --> 01:07:16.360
man. Um, it is funny though, when you, when you

01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:18.599
meet somebody that you, that you, uh, put on

01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.559
a pedestal and you're like, Oh, he's like literally

01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:23.800
a normal, normal dude or a normal girl. And you

01:07:23.800 --> 01:07:25.860
had something built up completely different.

01:07:26.380 --> 01:07:30.340
The drummers in the basis are pretty normal guitar

01:07:30.340 --> 01:07:34.960
players, singers. We don't know. Um, with exceptions,

01:07:35.139 --> 01:07:38.320
with exceptions. There you go. Lars gives you

01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:43.949
folks a wacky name. He's a character. There's

01:07:43.949 --> 01:07:46.909
exceptions to every role. This is true. This

01:07:46.909 --> 01:07:50.570
is true. When you were mentioning that early

01:07:50.570 --> 01:07:54.429
set that you played, Jason, the blue one with

01:07:54.429 --> 01:07:57.329
sparkles and stuff like that. Yeah. Was that

01:07:57.329 --> 01:08:01.449
the drum set that they had in that movie? Was

01:08:01.449 --> 01:08:03.150
it called The Wonders or was the band called?

01:08:03.150 --> 01:08:05.369
Tom Hanks was in it and he was like their manager.

01:08:05.710 --> 01:08:07.670
And it was like an old school drum set that the

01:08:07.670 --> 01:08:10.099
guy was playing. And when you said that. Kind

01:08:10.099 --> 01:08:11.800
of had that vision in my head and I was wondering

01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.440
you know what movie I'm talking about I don't

01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:17.359
know the movie and I'm familiar with that That

01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:19.859
thing you do with the thing you do. Yeah. Oh

01:08:19.859 --> 01:08:22.060
that thing you do. That's the name of it. Yeah

01:08:22.060 --> 01:08:25.239
Yeah, I don't remember that that drum kit. Okay.

01:08:25.380 --> 01:08:28.279
I don't even remember the drum kit number Hey,

01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:30.260
I'm making stuff up in my head today, Jason.

01:08:30.460 --> 01:08:33.880
So I thought I saw Chad's TikTok video days ago

01:08:33.880 --> 01:08:38.539
and. Yeah, pneumonia. Jesus. What are you doing?

01:08:38.659 --> 01:08:42.439
What's going on? Got some deuces here. Hey, man.

01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.279
It happens. It happens. I think I was cleaning

01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:47.699
with bleach and ammonia and it's causing a weird

01:08:47.699 --> 01:08:51.939
thing to happen here. So, oh, my God, if I pass

01:08:51.939 --> 01:08:57.260
out, send the ambulance. Jason, we have had emergencies

01:08:57.260 --> 01:08:58.939
on this show, believe it or not, where because

01:08:58.939 --> 01:09:01.399
it's live. Chad's mom was actually on. She was

01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:05.199
the guest that day. And I had EMTs here and please.

01:09:05.300 --> 01:09:08.720
It was it was one for the for the records. Wow.

01:09:09.300 --> 01:09:12.079
Yeah, I'm a drug dealer. So, you know, they had

01:09:12.079 --> 01:09:17.000
to come in and bust me. He's also a comedian.

01:09:17.739 --> 01:09:20.260
Yeah, right. It doesn't come across a lot, but

01:09:20.260 --> 01:09:22.539
sometimes I get one out there. That's pretty

01:09:22.539 --> 01:09:27.979
awesome. Speaking of Jason, what was like? Do

01:09:27.979 --> 01:09:31.520
you get intimidated before concerts or is it

01:09:31.520 --> 01:09:34.479
like adrenaline kicks in and you're like ready

01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:36.539
for it? Do you get nerves? What do we feel like

01:09:36.539 --> 01:09:39.880
before a show? Honestly, it's like it's not just

01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:41.720
before the show for me. It's like a whole show

01:09:41.720 --> 01:09:46.420
day. It's an underlying almost like. excitedness

01:09:46.420 --> 01:09:49.460
mixed with anxiety. I'm very aware of like little

01:09:49.460 --> 01:09:52.159
things like, oh, is my wrist hurting? Oh, is

01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:54.039
my back hurting a little bit? Is that going to

01:09:54.039 --> 01:09:56.180
affect this? Is that going to do this? I have

01:09:56.180 --> 01:09:58.000
to make sure I eat a certain way to make sure

01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.220
that my body is working this way. I got to drink

01:10:00.220 --> 01:10:02.939
enough water so I don't get all cramped up. All

01:10:02.939 --> 01:10:04.960
those things. And it's like, there's so much

01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.789
that goes. on in my head that I don't know if

01:10:07.789 --> 01:10:09.470
every other drummer is going through this crap,

01:10:09.510 --> 01:10:11.949
but it's like, no one in the audience is ever

01:10:11.949 --> 01:10:13.449
going to know that. No one's going to be like,

01:10:13.449 --> 01:10:16.609
that guy is just insane. He's just overthinking

01:10:16.609 --> 01:10:20.489
everything all the time. But like, I do the body

01:10:20.489 --> 01:10:24.069
ache thing and Lori or like, you know, you hit

01:10:24.069 --> 01:10:25.770
a finger, jam a finger. You're like, can I play?

01:10:25.909 --> 01:10:27.989
Can I play? Yeah. Okay. Oh yeah. I've got sticks

01:10:27.989 --> 01:10:29.489
right away. You're like, I'm good. I'm good.

01:10:29.590 --> 01:10:32.729
Yeah. Yeah. I don't, I didn't, I didn't have

01:10:32.729 --> 01:10:35.069
anxiety about that kind of anxiety about the

01:10:35.069 --> 01:10:37.930
show. kind of not think about it until got to

01:10:37.930 --> 01:10:41.949
the gig. So it's kind of like it seems like you

01:10:41.949 --> 01:10:44.289
guys have your routine almost like a nine to

01:10:44.289 --> 01:10:46.189
five or where, you know, you wake up in the morning,

01:10:46.250 --> 01:10:48.010
you have your coffee, you do this and you kind

01:10:48.010 --> 01:10:50.029
of have your steps before you get to your job

01:10:50.029 --> 01:10:51.949
type of deal. It seems like you almost kind of

01:10:51.949 --> 01:10:54.270
do the same thing. Like you're thinking of body

01:10:54.270 --> 01:10:56.850
aches or whatever. Is it have you gotten to the

01:10:56.850 --> 01:10:59.350
point? Like I know I have where I'm going to

01:10:59.350 --> 01:11:01.390
make a coffee. I spill it in the morning. It

01:11:01.390 --> 01:11:03.949
could fuck up the first hour and a half of my

01:11:03.949 --> 01:11:06.550
day where I'm like, you son of a B just had to

01:11:06.550 --> 01:11:09.069
spill it. Do you have things that could? Well,

01:11:09.130 --> 01:11:10.710
you said they won't. It won't throw you off on

01:11:10.710 --> 01:11:12.109
stage even if they know. So I guess you kind

01:11:12.109 --> 01:11:13.869
of answered that. I was going to ask if you've

01:11:13.869 --> 01:11:16.729
ever had anything that maybe got you out of your

01:11:16.729 --> 01:11:18.930
routine or whatever and threw you off and maybe

01:11:18.930 --> 01:11:21.810
affected your on stage performance. I'm pretty

01:11:21.810 --> 01:11:24.470
good at being able to let things go for the most

01:11:24.470 --> 01:11:26.590
part. I know a lot of people that aren't good

01:11:26.590 --> 01:11:28.670
at that and they can kind of like get them in

01:11:28.670 --> 01:11:31.170
their own way a lot of the times, but like I've,

01:11:31.170 --> 01:11:34.390
I've, I've been really, I've kind of trained

01:11:34.390 --> 01:11:36.369
myself to be able to let it all go and just be

01:11:36.369 --> 01:11:40.970
like, it's okay. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

01:11:41.229 --> 01:11:43.569
You got it. It makes you focus when you get on

01:11:43.569 --> 01:11:46.250
stage. Like you got to put everything out of

01:11:46.250 --> 01:11:49.989
your mind. Absolutely. Yeah. Have you ever been

01:11:49.989 --> 01:11:53.590
like fucking like jamming in your head, shit's

01:11:53.590 --> 01:11:55.750
going crazy. And then like the moment you hit

01:11:55.750 --> 01:11:57.649
the kit, it all goes away. Like, has it ever

01:11:57.649 --> 01:12:00.810
been that close to a whatever? And then it doesn't

01:12:00.810 --> 01:12:02.510
fuck with your performance or do you kind of

01:12:02.510 --> 01:12:04.569
get whatever you out? Like maybe a couple of

01:12:04.569 --> 01:12:08.630
minutes beforehand ish. I think the closest experience

01:12:08.630 --> 01:12:11.649
I had like that was, um, we were playing a place

01:12:11.649 --> 01:12:14.270
in Toronto called the Molson amphitheater. Uh,

01:12:14.289 --> 01:12:16.529
and it was with never anyway lights opening for

01:12:16.529 --> 01:12:18.850
OLP oddly enough for this thing called, what

01:12:18.850 --> 01:12:22.250
was it? edge fest i think uh and my dad came

01:12:22.250 --> 01:12:24.489
to the show and my dad had like a blood pressure

01:12:24.489 --> 01:12:26.890
problem and he had a bunch of rollos before he

01:12:26.890 --> 01:12:29.369
got to the venue and he started like demanding

01:12:29.369 --> 01:12:31.649
he was going to come backstage and all this shit

01:12:31.649 --> 01:12:34.750
i'm like i'm the opener on like a festival like

01:12:34.750 --> 01:12:37.909
i can't get you backstage and i got so upset

01:12:37.909 --> 01:12:39.670
that like i was basically in tears at the side

01:12:39.670 --> 01:12:41.930
of the stage before he went on and i don't remember

01:12:41.930 --> 01:12:44.319
the show I remember like walking on a stage and

01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.520
walking off the stage. But like, I'm sure I played

01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:49.319
really emotionally that night. That's what I'd

01:12:49.319 --> 01:12:53.220
like to think. Yeah. No recording exists, I'm

01:12:53.220 --> 01:12:57.000
sure. I hope not. Just me crying, like not even

01:12:57.000 --> 01:13:01.359
play. What's wrong with that man? Wow. Everything's

01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:03.300
recorded. Everything is on YouTube. I swear.

01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:05.439
It's like, you know, even if you can't find it

01:13:05.439 --> 01:13:09.439
for a while, it all pops up. So was he was your

01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:12.060
dad like manic from? from the blood pressure

01:13:12.060 --> 01:13:14.899
and like the Yeah, I'm like spiked himself with

01:13:14.899 --> 01:13:17.140
like sugar. He's diabetic as well, which was

01:13:17.140 --> 01:13:19.800
not like dyes notes to like later on and like

01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:24.100
all that. Yeah. It was a situation. Yeah, that

01:13:24.100 --> 01:13:26.000
could be a lot to take in even even if you're

01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.399
a headliner and your dad's Yeah. Yeah. Fuck.

01:13:28.659 --> 01:13:31.039
Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. Totally. That's why I try not

01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:36.000
to have family at shows. It's funny. My mother

01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:39.199
has a running joke, you know, we our parents

01:13:39.199 --> 01:13:41.039
would come to all the shows like because we grew

01:13:41.039 --> 01:13:42.939
up together and all our parents would hang out

01:13:42.939 --> 01:13:46.979
whatever and my mom and Chad's mom especially

01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:49.960
were good friends and but they they would we

01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:52.520
would give them the all -access pass that we

01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:55.439
had right yeah but they still couldn't get backstage

01:13:55.439 --> 01:13:57.479
because they will walk up to the security guard

01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:01.619
be like hi this is my pass and and the guy would

01:14:01.619 --> 01:14:03.680
be like you're not coming back instead of just

01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:05.619
walking by everybody you know how we you know

01:14:05.619 --> 01:14:08.069
we're backstage just walk by we don't show our

01:14:08.069 --> 01:14:10.989
pass unless some guy's like, hey. But my mom,

01:14:11.649 --> 01:14:13.689
to this day, she's like, I could never get backstage

01:14:13.689 --> 01:14:15.270
no matter what pass you gave me. I'm like, that's

01:14:15.270 --> 01:14:18.609
your fault. It's not my fault. Yeah, man. What

01:14:18.609 --> 01:14:21.189
are you doing? Because you could get backstage

01:14:21.189 --> 01:14:24.310
without a pass, even as a dude, like just by

01:14:24.310 --> 01:14:26.489
walking, pretending like you belong there. You

01:14:26.489 --> 01:14:29.409
know, I've done that before at a Day Matthew

01:14:29.409 --> 01:14:33.810
show. I'm like, yeah, it was it was wacky, dude.

01:14:33.829 --> 01:14:36.069
And then eventually I think somebody found me

01:14:36.069 --> 01:14:40.670
out. I was incredibly at our show. Yeah, yeah.

01:14:40.750 --> 01:14:42.989
Oh, a couple of times. But the one Chad's referring

01:14:42.989 --> 01:14:46.409
to was like a nightmare for me. It's great. Yeah,

01:14:46.529 --> 01:14:48.649
Jason, I'll tell you the abbreviated version,

01:14:48.689 --> 01:14:51.890
but I was young, dumb and dating a chick and

01:14:51.890 --> 01:14:55.890
my mother, myself and my brother and my girlfriend

01:14:55.890 --> 01:15:00.609
went to this live show in New Jersey and My girlfriend

01:15:00.609 --> 01:15:02.649
and mother get backstage because they're like

01:15:02.649 --> 01:15:05.409
decent looking ladies. And I'm stuck with my

01:15:05.409 --> 01:15:08.590
11 year old brother looking for them. Like, where

01:15:08.590 --> 01:15:11.369
the hell did these ladies go? Put two and two

01:15:11.369 --> 01:15:14.529
together that they're backstage. Go up to the

01:15:14.529 --> 01:15:17.350
security guard with my little brother. Make up

01:15:17.350 --> 01:15:19.189
some shit. My dad's looking for us. I got my

01:15:19.189 --> 01:15:20.890
little brother. My mother's up there. Can we

01:15:20.890 --> 01:15:24.770
go up and get her? He lets us go by. Get it.

01:15:24.970 --> 01:15:31.130
So. I walk up to this awesome VIP backstage event

01:15:31.130 --> 01:15:33.630
that Live's putting on and I'm walking, I'm like,

01:15:33.750 --> 01:15:36.750
where the fuck is my girlfriend? Because in my

01:15:36.750 --> 01:15:39.930
brain, she's blowing Chad and Ed and everybody

01:15:39.930 --> 01:15:44.850
in there. And so as soon as I do that, the cool

01:15:44.850 --> 01:15:47.630
atmosphere just immediately stops. Everybody

01:15:47.630 --> 01:15:50.289
looks at me and then I bring it up and I'm like,

01:15:50.449 --> 01:15:52.760
yeah, where is she? And I'm still going. And

01:15:52.760 --> 01:15:56.279
then I find them in a closet smoking some weed

01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:58.939
with Patrick Delahimer, the bassist of the band.

01:16:00.220 --> 01:16:04.819
And so pull them out. So again, this is this

01:16:04.819 --> 01:16:06.960
is not me, Jason. I would never react this way

01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.039
now as young. So yelling, we all get out outside

01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:13.220
as soon as the door behind me closes. I'm like.

01:16:14.020 --> 01:16:16.899
You were just backstage with live, you moron.

01:16:16.979 --> 01:16:18.960
What did you just do? Like you could have went

01:16:18.960 --> 01:16:22.329
up there, had a cool time, hung out. And then

01:16:22.329 --> 01:16:24.409
fucking got mad at your girlfriend if you wanted

01:16:24.409 --> 01:16:27.529
to. But yes, I handled that completely wrong.

01:16:28.270 --> 01:16:32.029
That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like a moron.

01:16:32.329 --> 01:16:34.909
And then as I tell the story, I'm like, oh, God,

01:16:35.069 --> 01:16:37.449
it's you know, I was young, but it's embarrassing

01:16:37.449 --> 01:16:40.550
to make a story all the time. He does as you

01:16:40.550 --> 01:16:44.569
should. Making me I ruined his night. So, you

01:16:44.569 --> 01:16:46.510
know, he's got to take a couple of mine away.

01:16:46.789 --> 01:16:50.520
Oh, that's awesome. Completely get it. But yes,

01:16:50.659 --> 01:16:53.159
so do you guys do you have fun meeting fans?

01:16:53.300 --> 01:16:55.359
I know you said you're kind of reserved and stuff

01:16:55.359 --> 01:16:56.960
like that, but I'm sure people want to come up

01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.100
and say hi. Is that awkward for you or is it

01:16:59.100 --> 01:17:02.800
sometimes cool? I think it's amazing. You know,

01:17:02.899 --> 01:17:05.579
just the fact that there's people out there that

01:17:05.579 --> 01:17:08.819
have a connection with the songs enough to want

01:17:08.819 --> 01:17:12.359
to like put a face behind the name to and like.

01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:15.319
You know, just hearing some people's stories

01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:17.260
and like what they go through in life and stuff

01:17:17.260 --> 01:17:19.199
like that. It just gives you a different perspective

01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:23.319
on, you know, how fortunate any of us are to

01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:28.119
do what we do. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. I like hearing

01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:30.119
people's stories and then relating it back to

01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:31.939
my life. Like, oh, the song play while I was

01:17:31.939 --> 01:17:33.659
doing this. I'm like, oh, yeah, I have those

01:17:33.659 --> 01:17:36.460
songs with other bands and I've got the meter,

01:17:36.460 --> 01:17:39.590
you know. talk to actual members and stuff. U2

01:17:39.590 --> 01:17:41.810
is a big one for me. So I got to meet everybody

01:17:41.810 --> 01:17:44.029
in the band except for I've never met Larry.

01:17:44.250 --> 01:17:47.510
I've met Bono the Edge and, and Adam. Yeah, I've

01:17:47.510 --> 01:17:50.770
never met like, Larry is probably one of my biggest

01:17:50.770 --> 01:17:53.210
influences. I've never gotten to meet him. So

01:17:53.210 --> 01:17:57.770
someday maybe. But we live fucked up because

01:17:57.770 --> 01:18:01.489
we were asked to open for them in 94. We had

01:18:01.489 --> 01:18:03.989
just booked a theater tour and we were headlining

01:18:03.989 --> 01:18:07.260
and we Like it was like a next step in our career.

01:18:07.260 --> 01:18:11.279
We wanted to do it. So yeah them down. Oh Yeah,

01:18:11.279 --> 01:18:13.520
I think we're one of the very very few bands

01:18:13.520 --> 01:18:18.560
that turned them down and got to 2022 Good friend

01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:20.500
of mine who is friends now with Jerry Harrison

01:18:20.500 --> 01:18:23.159
who produced our records talking heads. They

01:18:23.159 --> 01:18:27.659
had dinner with Larry in New York and My friend

01:18:27.659 --> 01:18:30.180
Brian was like, hey, you know, we know the band

01:18:30.180 --> 01:18:33.600
live and he's like all those guys He's still

01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:38.439
upset with us. Like one of my biggest influences

01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:42.500
doesn't. It's upset with me. So hopefully someday

01:18:42.500 --> 01:18:44.720
I'll get to meet him and apologize profusely,

01:18:44.819 --> 01:18:48.819
but right. Oh man, that's crazy. Yeah, it was.

01:18:48.979 --> 01:18:52.119
It was a hard decision to make. I mean, of course,

01:18:52.500 --> 01:18:54.039
I mean, you gotta wonder probably should have

01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:56.489
done it, but you know. I was just going to say,

01:18:56.590 --> 01:18:58.670
Chad, because when we were, we spoke about this

01:18:58.670 --> 01:19:00.649
one other time and I, and you said in hindsight,

01:19:00.649 --> 01:19:02.430
we should have done it. And at the time you said

01:19:02.430 --> 01:19:04.710
that, I was thinking, should they have, because

01:19:04.710 --> 01:19:08.510
they won on their own, like, you know, what are

01:19:08.510 --> 01:19:11.409
the pavilion tours? What are those called? The

01:19:11.409 --> 01:19:14.210
amphitheater tour. And like that was big because

01:19:14.210 --> 01:19:16.470
they're headlining it. But I won. And again,

01:19:16.489 --> 01:19:18.369
you guys took that year. We were doing theaters.

01:19:18.529 --> 01:19:20.329
We were doing like two to 3000 seat theaters

01:19:20.329 --> 01:19:25.729
and we sold out and it was like, So then if you

01:19:25.729 --> 01:19:29.489
were at U2 concerts with, they might've had a

01:19:29.489 --> 01:19:31.130
bigger crowd in there and maybe you would have

01:19:31.130 --> 01:19:34.909
gotten more fans then possibly. Well, I don't

01:19:34.909 --> 01:19:36.949
know about for the career step, it probably would

01:19:36.949 --> 01:19:39.409
have been the same kind of step for us playing

01:19:39.409 --> 01:19:42.010
the theaters on our own and or opening for U2,

01:19:42.109 --> 01:19:45.010
but just the experience of doing it. Yeah. Amazing.

01:19:45.170 --> 01:19:48.329
Oh yeah, man. Yeah. That would've been wild,

01:19:48.689 --> 01:19:52.909
dude. Back when I was in Never Ending White Lights,

01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:56.579
they got asked to go out with Bon Jovi and I

01:19:56.579 --> 01:19:59.420
was like 20 years old it would have been like

01:19:59.420 --> 01:20:01.739
my it would have been like a stadium tour probably

01:20:01.739 --> 01:20:04.000
wouldn't they even been like arenas right like

01:20:04.000 --> 01:20:07.220
and Bon Jovi man like yeah I don't know how they

01:20:07.220 --> 01:20:11.399
turned that down yeah sometimes yeah you make

01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:13.319
dumb decisions we were asked to play at the White

01:20:13.319 --> 01:20:17.840
House in 94 or 95 excuse me and uh we didn't

01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:22.239
do it because we were tired We had just finished

01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:24.520
touring for Throwing Copper and we were, we played

01:20:24.520 --> 01:20:27.119
the last show. We sold out the Philadelphia Spectrum

01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:30.840
at the time. And we were just so friggin' tired.

01:20:31.020 --> 01:20:34.479
We were like, we're not, no. How long were you

01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:36.979
guys out for on that cycle? We were out for about

01:20:36.979 --> 01:20:40.100
18, 19 months straight, basically. Jesus. From,

01:20:40.319 --> 01:20:41.979
because Throwing Copper came out, we were in

01:20:41.979 --> 01:20:44.380
clubs at that point and we transitioned through

01:20:44.380 --> 01:20:48.880
clubs, theaters. We did amphitheaters, arenas.

01:20:49.050 --> 01:20:50.789
like all that through there. But it was just

01:20:50.789 --> 01:20:53.670
like nonstop because we were just building that

01:20:53.670 --> 01:20:55.970
the record was blown up. And you know how you

01:20:55.970 --> 01:20:57.609
get in that cycle. You just like, keep going,

01:20:57.670 --> 01:20:59.369
keep going, keep going. Even in our 20s, we're

01:20:59.369 --> 01:21:00.789
just like, by the end, we're like, God damn,

01:21:00.829 --> 01:21:02.609
we can't do this anymore. We're going to dance.

01:21:03.470 --> 01:21:06.350
Yeah. Dance monkey. And then Bill Clinton, Bill

01:21:06.350 --> 01:21:08.090
Clinton calls and we're like, nah, we're good.

01:21:08.189 --> 01:21:12.310
We're tired. Yeah. Crazy. Like, I can't think

01:21:12.310 --> 01:21:14.890
of again, Jason, can you think of a time where

01:21:14.890 --> 01:21:17.310
you would be too tired to take up that opportunity?

01:21:25.370 --> 01:21:29.130
Yeah, yeah, I was yeah because I'm just thinking

01:21:29.130 --> 01:21:32.029
like would it have like fucked up something like

01:21:32.029 --> 01:21:34.109
Chad like made it like longer than just going

01:21:34.109 --> 01:21:36.670
there to perform like would this have like No,

01:21:36.670 --> 01:21:38.130
it would have been a one -off. We were off the

01:21:38.130 --> 01:21:40.829
road for a couple of weeks and but we got the

01:21:40.829 --> 01:21:44.210
call. We're just like That's hysterical other

01:21:44.210 --> 01:21:46.550
thing you know, I think there's probably a little

01:21:46.550 --> 01:21:48.609
cockiness to it. Like, oh, yeah, well, we're

01:21:48.609 --> 01:21:51.350
huge. And we can do it some other time. Yeah,

01:21:51.649 --> 01:21:55.109
there was a little yeah. Like, Bill, don't you

01:21:55.109 --> 01:21:58.050
know, we're fucking in the CIA and causing shit

01:21:58.050 --> 01:22:01.189
to happen here. So we hadn't gotten recruited

01:22:01.189 --> 01:22:06.710
yet. Yeah, now we know that it was that around.

01:22:07.229 --> 01:22:10.430
That was around the time Bill got caught with

01:22:10.430 --> 01:22:15.229
Monica or before I didn't want that was in that

01:22:15.229 --> 01:22:19.569
sequence. I don't know. I saw she's she's coming

01:22:19.569 --> 01:22:21.609
back into the world. She's doing a podcast now,

01:22:21.750 --> 01:22:24.170
Monica Lewinsky. I feel bad for her, man. Like,

01:22:24.350 --> 01:22:26.609
could you imagine that that is what you were

01:22:26.609 --> 01:22:29.229
known for? She was so young at the time, taken

01:22:29.229 --> 01:22:31.109
advantage of by the leader of the free world.

01:22:31.229 --> 01:22:34.010
And then for from then till now, it's like that's

01:22:34.010 --> 01:22:36.069
what she's been known as. Like, you know, the

01:22:36.069 --> 01:22:38.649
girl who was doing whatever with the president

01:22:38.649 --> 01:22:41.460
and. You know, she was so impressionable at the

01:22:41.460 --> 01:22:43.319
time. Of course you're going to do that. But

01:22:43.319 --> 01:22:45.420
I'm glad she's coming out and like telling her

01:22:45.420 --> 01:22:48.100
story and like getting like she's owning it and

01:22:48.100 --> 01:22:50.399
like, you know, not being afraid of it anymore

01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:52.939
and letting, you know, whatever people rip on

01:22:52.939 --> 01:22:56.000
her for it, which is cool. Take it back, baby.

01:22:56.600 --> 01:22:59.920
Yeah, it's unfortunate, though. It really is.

01:22:59.960 --> 01:23:02.960
I can't imagine living under a shadow like that.

01:23:03.100 --> 01:23:05.899
No, but I mean, put it in that position, too,

01:23:05.899 --> 01:23:08.659
when you're that young. Oh, absolutely. It's

01:23:08.659 --> 01:23:13.520
got to be PTSD. Yeah. Yeah. Or you like it. You

01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.619
know what I'm saying? If the president was a

01:23:15.619 --> 01:23:19.699
chick and I was, you know, doing whatever they're

01:23:19.699 --> 01:23:26.100
like, hey, hey, that's right. That's right. But

01:23:26.100 --> 01:23:28.300
then again, we'll never have a lady president.

01:23:28.460 --> 01:23:31.399
So I'm good here, folks. Jokes, jokes, jokes.

01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:35.220
There is that. We've tried. We've tried. I've

01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:37.500
I've been trying to get a lady president in there.

01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.279
I do worry, though. Well, I guess what is the

01:23:40.279 --> 01:23:43.520
age to be a president? Thirty five. Minimum.

01:23:43.739 --> 01:23:46.060
So for a woman, it should be fifty five after

01:23:46.060 --> 01:23:48.720
they go through menopause and then we don't like

01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:51.500
go through their PMS period and they possibly

01:23:51.500 --> 01:23:56.000
bomb other places. Jokes, people. Anyway, Jason,

01:23:56.960 --> 01:23:58.800
so you said that you don't know when the album

01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:01.800
is coming out. It's you're recording in L .A.

01:24:01.819 --> 01:24:03.899
It's not finished recording. Oh, you're recording

01:24:03.899 --> 01:24:10.279
in Nashville. Yeah. As well. Yeah. And it's not

01:24:10.279 --> 01:24:13.079
fully recorded, though. Yeah. Yeah. Not done

01:24:13.079 --> 01:24:15.939
yet. I think we're doing some stuff in a couple

01:24:15.939 --> 01:24:18.140
of weeks that we have to like finish some other

01:24:18.140 --> 01:24:21.340
songs and stuff, too. It's a process. Rock on.

01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:23.300
My last question for you. And then we'll have

01:24:23.300 --> 01:24:25.819
you tell everybody where they can find you. Do

01:24:25.819 --> 01:24:29.770
you prefer? performing in concert or recording

01:24:29.770 --> 01:24:31.729
an album? I know they're two totally separate,

01:24:31.750 --> 01:24:35.850
but if you had to pick. I love playing live like

01:24:35.850 --> 01:24:39.390
there's there's nothing like when things actually

01:24:39.390 --> 01:24:43.989
connect properly and things hit. You know, I

01:24:43.989 --> 01:24:46.409
don't think it's even probably like 70 % of the

01:24:46.409 --> 01:24:50.170
time or 40 % maybe that it actually hits that

01:24:50.170 --> 01:24:53.560
well, but. You know what, when it all connects,

01:24:53.899 --> 01:24:56.439
there's no other feeling that's better than that

01:24:56.439 --> 01:25:00.520
on earth. To me at least. Yeah. Do you feel there's

01:25:00.520 --> 01:25:02.840
a transfer of energy when it hits like you're

01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:05.840
talking about between you and the audience? Yeah,

01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:08.420
man. It's like, well, you're when you're performing

01:25:08.420 --> 01:25:10.819
like that, it's, you're not thinking about what

01:25:10.819 --> 01:25:12.140
you're playing. You're not thinking about anything

01:25:12.140 --> 01:25:14.899
but the moment you're in and it's a bunch of

01:25:14.899 --> 01:25:16.699
people, it's tens of thousands of people having

01:25:16.699 --> 01:25:19.810
a moment together. completely present. You're

01:25:19.810 --> 01:25:23.029
the band and the people. Yeah. Not many times

01:25:23.029 --> 01:25:25.449
besides like a musical or a performance like

01:25:25.449 --> 01:25:28.590
that. Does that happen? Collectively? Yeah. And

01:25:28.590 --> 01:25:30.789
you're bigger than the person you are in that

01:25:30.789 --> 01:25:33.550
moment. You're a collective, you know, like great

01:25:33.550 --> 01:25:37.569
description. Absolutely. Yeah. Jason, we want

01:25:37.569 --> 01:25:39.489
to thank you for coming on, dude. I had a blast

01:25:39.489 --> 01:25:41.909
with you. I'm sure Chad did. Thanks for having

01:25:41.909 --> 01:25:45.659
me, Jason. It was awesome. The way we do it is

01:25:45.659 --> 01:25:47.300
we always leave the audience wanting more. We

01:25:47.300 --> 01:25:49.819
get to introduce them to the guest and we would

01:25:49.819 --> 01:25:51.739
hope to have you back on. So if you want to let

01:25:51.739 --> 01:25:53.920
the audience know where they could check out

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:57.699
your band and maybe you on social media. Yeah,

01:25:57.880 --> 01:26:00.659
our latest piece dot com for the band. And I'm

01:26:00.659 --> 01:26:03.800
Jason Pierce drum on pretty much every platform.

01:26:04.560 --> 01:26:06.819
Dude, thank you so much. Audience, go check them

01:26:06.819 --> 01:26:09.760
out. Go check them out this summer touring with

01:26:09.760 --> 01:26:12.460
the live cover band. Jason, thank you so much

01:26:12.460 --> 01:26:16.359
for. coming on The Gracious 2. And Collector's

01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:18.960
Soul, don't forget. Thank you, Jason. Take care,

01:26:19.060 --> 01:26:22.920
bye. Talk to you soon. I had to give that little

01:26:22.920 --> 01:26:26.260
dig there for my, you know, for that band, but

01:26:26.260 --> 01:26:28.420
dude, he's cool as hell, man. Jason's awesome.

01:26:28.579 --> 01:26:31.380
Yeah. I got to hang out with him a few times

01:26:31.380 --> 01:26:34.800
on tour, not enough, but I think we have, like

01:26:34.800 --> 01:26:36.739
I said, our personalities are very, very similar.

01:26:37.660 --> 01:26:41.239
Yeah, it's so cool watching you interact with

01:26:41.239 --> 01:26:43.779
other drummers, dude. It's really like bringing

01:26:43.779 --> 01:26:46.239
like a different perspective that I think a lot

01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:48.199
of people have and you're bringing in some awesome

01:26:48.199 --> 01:26:50.300
insights. So this is this is fun. Every time

01:26:50.300 --> 01:26:52.340
we get a drummer on here, you know, you could

01:26:52.340 --> 01:26:54.420
tell you guys come alive and really start talking

01:26:54.420 --> 01:26:55.960
about stuff that you're both real passionate

01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:57.930
about. And it's fun to be a part of. They're

01:26:57.930 --> 01:27:00.569
my people, man. They're my people. Yeah. Even

01:27:00.569 --> 01:27:03.149
even even if we had if we somehow get Lars on

01:27:03.149 --> 01:27:04.949
here, Lars and I will have a great conversation.

01:27:05.310 --> 01:27:07.229
I've met Lars a couple of times. Lars is just,

01:27:07.229 --> 01:27:09.270
you know, Lars is, you know, he's he's his own

01:27:09.270 --> 01:27:13.829
thing. He's just very talkative. Yeah. Do you

01:27:13.829 --> 01:27:16.890
think that's because like a lot of the drummers

01:27:16.890 --> 01:27:21.470
really are in the background? So, you know, when

01:27:21.470 --> 01:27:23.609
he does get the chance to be in front of a microphone,

01:27:23.609 --> 01:27:26.409
he's just like, let me get out there and. I think

01:27:26.409 --> 01:27:28.850
for some drummers it's like that or maybe Lars

01:27:28.850 --> 01:27:31.510
especially likes to talk like I said, but I don't

01:27:31.510 --> 01:27:35.350
know for me it's Whether I'm in yeah, I mean

01:27:35.350 --> 01:27:38.010
you don't get a chance to talk a whole lot when

01:27:38.010 --> 01:27:39.710
you're the drummer in the band Even you know

01:27:39.710 --> 01:27:41.710
used to do some interviews, but that kind of

01:27:41.710 --> 01:27:46.430
curtailed but it's good and and you just identify

01:27:46.430 --> 01:27:48.250
with each other too because you have both do

01:27:48.250 --> 01:27:52.000
the same thing you talk about gear and experiences

01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:54.239
and yeah, and you know, standing behind looking

01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.760
at the lead singer's ass all the time. Yeah.

01:27:57.560 --> 01:27:59.819
Uh, I have a question about the way you used

01:27:59.819 --> 01:28:02.420
to handle interviews back in the day. Was there

01:28:02.420 --> 01:28:05.260
like an agenda you had to follow or were you

01:28:05.260 --> 01:28:07.520
yourself? Were there things like you were maybe

01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:10.220
afraid to talk about? Like, were you kind of

01:28:10.220 --> 01:28:14.159
like being, Oh, there was, yeah, I was, I mean,

01:28:14.260 --> 01:28:15.819
when I was doing interviews, there were, yeah,

01:28:15.899 --> 01:28:18.600
there were subjects you wouldn't touch. I would

01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:22.140
at that point never be political. And we were

01:28:22.140 --> 01:28:24.880
kind of that way with the whole band. And it

01:28:24.880 --> 01:28:27.579
was nowhere near this kind of political climate

01:28:27.579 --> 01:28:30.060
it is now. But even then, you didn't want to

01:28:30.060 --> 01:28:33.539
alienate one side or the other. But I mean, I

01:28:33.539 --> 01:28:35.600
was mostly myself. I mean, there was no agenda.

01:28:36.039 --> 01:28:39.399
I wasn't given talking points. But you'd hold

01:28:39.399 --> 01:28:41.359
back, you'd hold back a little bit and maybe

01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:43.760
not say something to divide the audience like

01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.680
a political affiliation or make sense. Yeah.

01:28:48.060 --> 01:28:50.380
And there was no Joe Biden give me the questions

01:28:50.380 --> 01:28:52.819
before the hands like answer them, have canned

01:28:52.819 --> 01:28:55.920
answers for them. So no, I can't believe the

01:28:55.920 --> 01:28:58.460
CIA didn't set you up with that moron. Sons of

01:28:58.460 --> 01:29:00.079
bitches. They just let me out there hanging.

01:29:00.920 --> 01:29:02.899
Not really. I had an earpiece and tell me what

01:29:02.899 --> 01:29:05.800
to say. There you now it's coming out. Yeah,

01:29:05.800 --> 01:29:09.279
yeah. It is funny, though, that that as we were

01:29:09.279 --> 01:29:12.159
doing the CIA thing. And then I'm like, oh yeah,

01:29:12.260 --> 01:29:14.640
that song came out in 98. So they were really

01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:17.460
preempting it. Now I'm adding to it, dude. Wait

01:29:17.460 --> 01:29:19.960
till what adds onto it next week. We'll see.

01:29:19.960 --> 01:29:22.539
Oh yeah. Yeah. This will be the ongoing. Yeah,

01:29:22.579 --> 01:29:26.439
we'll keep the story going. Totally. Until China

01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:30.399
goes to get you and Ed for being spies against

01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:34.699
them. Oh my God. Well, we played the Benton Freedom

01:29:34.699 --> 01:29:36.380
concert. I think we're blacklisted in China.

01:29:36.950 --> 01:29:39.869
Yeah, bro. I bet you are. They don't fuck around

01:29:39.869 --> 01:29:44.750
if you go against the state, dude. Yeah. I have

01:29:44.750 --> 01:29:48.609
no no want to go to China anyway. And I especially

01:29:48.609 --> 01:29:50.489
don't want to go find out the hardware that I

01:29:50.489 --> 01:29:52.649
was banned in China. Get put in the Chinese prison.

01:29:52.770 --> 01:29:55.510
No, thanks. No fucking thank you, dude. You know,

01:29:55.529 --> 01:30:00.050
do you hear this? China has like areas of it

01:30:00.050 --> 01:30:02.989
that are America like they have like a town like

01:30:02.989 --> 01:30:06.399
like a Montana town. In China, that's like the

01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:09.659
exact town, the houses, the businesses, everything,

01:30:09.800 --> 01:30:12.800
the streets. Really? Yeah. A whole reproduction

01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:16.859
of American towns? Yep. I mean, for the novelty

01:30:16.859 --> 01:30:20.100
of it or like for strategic reasons? So some

01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:22.600
like, of course, the government's involved, but

01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:24.640
like one of their citizens came up with this

01:30:24.640 --> 01:30:27.699
idea and then, you know, they made it. Uh, they

01:30:27.699 --> 01:30:30.640
made it happen and the values have like tripled

01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:34.779
and quadrupled since they did it in there. Crazy.

01:30:34.979 --> 01:30:37.380
I would pull up, but I have to go search for

01:30:37.380 --> 01:30:38.939
like, I didn't have it ready and I can't tell

01:30:38.939 --> 01:30:42.380
Bobby to pull it. That's right. That's right.

01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:46.079
Where are you, Bobby? You knew the show. Um,

01:30:46.399 --> 01:30:52.079
but, uh, you're not here. You are. So You've

01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:55.319
been late. You have not showed. You could tell

01:30:55.319 --> 01:30:57.579
me next week that you were here and that you've

01:30:57.579 --> 01:30:59.159
never you've always been here. You were never

01:30:59.159 --> 01:31:02.020
late. And all that jazz. Someone said earlier

01:31:02.020 --> 01:31:05.140
he's standing on the edge of the earth. Yes.

01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.039
Yes. Yes. Yes. Oh, that's another thing I wanted

01:31:08.039 --> 01:31:12.319
to say to the flat earth people out there, because,

01:31:12.539 --> 01:31:16.039
dude, they're fucking intros with comments. Oh,

01:31:16.039 --> 01:31:19.699
sure. I. I would love to believe that the earth

01:31:19.699 --> 01:31:23.520
is flat because, and I get what you are all doing

01:31:23.520 --> 01:31:26.520
with the earth is flat where the governments

01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:30.640
and whoever's leading this, this world fucking

01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:34.039
order has lied to us for so long. So they must

01:31:34.039 --> 01:31:37.180
be lying to us about the world being round. Like

01:31:37.180 --> 01:31:40.579
I get that point of view, but it's just a huge

01:31:40.579 --> 01:31:43.619
leap. And when you take that huge leap, it fucks

01:31:43.619 --> 01:31:45.479
up all the credible shit that you're saying,

01:31:45.479 --> 01:31:48.279
uh, you know, that you're saying, the credible

01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:50.539
stuff. And it just turns people off. They're

01:31:50.539 --> 01:31:52.899
like, he believes that Earth is flat. How can

01:31:52.899 --> 01:31:55.420
he also believe that Joe Biden was taking money

01:31:55.420 --> 01:31:57.239
from Ukraine and putting it in his bank account?

01:31:57.239 --> 01:32:01.500
That's got to be false, too. You know, like people

01:32:01.500 --> 01:32:03.880
can go there with that. Like you said, I identify

01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:07.399
with the sentiment of there's a larger force

01:32:07.399 --> 01:32:10.100
at work in this in the world that kind of runs

01:32:10.100 --> 01:32:14.319
everything. But I can't get with it's to the

01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:16.699
point where they've lied to us about. the earth

01:32:16.699 --> 01:32:21.079
being a globe for so long and every long and

01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:23.420
no one's ever blown the whistle on it and no

01:32:23.420 --> 01:32:26.920
one officially like how do you have like no government,

01:32:27.220 --> 01:32:29.479
no government. Yeah, like the Chinese or the

01:32:29.479 --> 01:32:31.880
Russians know this and they're not fucking telling

01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.260
anybody. I mean, come on. I don't know. Like

01:32:34.260 --> 01:32:36.520
so if you were Russia or China, wouldn't that

01:32:36.520 --> 01:32:39.840
be the first thing you did to discredit the United

01:32:39.840 --> 01:32:41.619
States? Look, this is how they lie to you. This

01:32:41.619 --> 01:32:44.840
is how they've been keeping you down. And then

01:32:44.840 --> 01:32:48.949
you would think so. But who knows? Yeah. I don't

01:32:48.949 --> 01:32:51.229
know. I just I mean, from a you know, I mean,

01:32:51.270 --> 01:32:54.930
because I think I've said to you after that,

01:32:54.930 --> 01:32:58.829
I've watched videos of physicists are, you know,

01:32:59.170 --> 01:33:01.810
debating flat Earth is real time and just debunking

01:33:01.810 --> 01:33:05.510
everything they're saying, right? With with science,

01:33:05.689 --> 01:33:10.130
same, right? So, and I've gone down that rabbit

01:33:10.130 --> 01:33:13.170
hole, flat Earth thing. And I've watched all

01:33:13.170 --> 01:33:15.090
the videos and checked out all the stuff and

01:33:15.260 --> 01:33:17.800
I mean, he brought up, you know, well, Flat Earth

01:33:17.800 --> 01:33:19.899
Dave brought up some valid things and like, you

01:33:19.899 --> 01:33:22.340
know, he's rattling. He had, you know, think

01:33:22.340 --> 01:33:24.659
of Flat Earth Dave and I commend him for it on

01:33:24.659 --> 01:33:27.840
one level. It's like he had this whole presentation

01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:29.640
set up and he has all these equations and all

01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:33.199
this, all this information and just like, I can't,

01:33:33.300 --> 01:33:35.239
there's no way I can try to debunk this real

01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:38.760
time. Plus the fact that Bobby's Flat Earth and

01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:42.100
I couldn't really ask him, hey, look up the Coriolis

01:33:42.100 --> 01:33:47.069
effect in naval gunfire. Right. Right. So anyway,

01:33:47.069 --> 01:33:50.949
it was interesting. And I commend him for his

01:33:50.949 --> 01:33:53.729
passion. And maybe he's right. I don't know.

01:33:54.090 --> 01:33:57.310
Right. That's all right. Right. I want the people

01:33:57.310 --> 01:34:00.310
to know. I believe the earth is round. I believe

01:34:00.310 --> 01:34:02.609
there's more evidence for that. I'm not opposed

01:34:02.609 --> 01:34:05.949
to it being flat. I just seriously think it is

01:34:05.949 --> 01:34:08.449
not. And I got to be proven otherwise. But I'm

01:34:08.449 --> 01:34:11.989
not shut off to it. I really would want to know

01:34:11.989 --> 01:34:15.199
if it is. And, you know, get the question like

01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.300
that's why I was asking so many questions today.

01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:21.939
Like some of the comments were like, I'm asking

01:34:21.939 --> 01:34:23.859
questions, trying to throw them off. Absolutely

01:34:23.859 --> 01:34:25.659
not. That's not what I was doing. I was asking

01:34:25.659 --> 01:34:29.100
questions because I want to believe that the

01:34:29.100 --> 01:34:30.960
earth is flat and we've been lied to because

01:34:30.960 --> 01:34:33.060
they have lied to us about a lot of things. But

01:34:33.060 --> 01:34:35.760
I can't make that jump because everything else

01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:38.060
I've seen proves the other way. I was laughing

01:34:38.060 --> 01:34:41.199
at one of the comments was globetards. Globetards.

01:34:42.430 --> 01:34:46.270
I was like, that's great. So good, man. So good.

01:34:46.270 --> 01:34:48.329
That's fucking awesome. And I mean, listen, all

01:34:48.329 --> 01:34:50.029
those guys, all those people that are commenting,

01:34:50.430 --> 01:34:53.689
it's, you know, it's cool for the show. And but,

01:34:53.689 --> 01:34:55.050
you know, they're all passionate about it. And

01:34:55.050 --> 01:34:58.529
I get that. That's cool. Do it, man. Absolutely.

01:34:58.729 --> 01:35:01.149
Keep doing it. And Dave, the reason why I like

01:35:01.149 --> 01:35:03.130
what Dave doing, like you said, he has that presentation.

01:35:03.289 --> 01:35:06.170
He's got, you know, numbers and math and all

01:35:06.170 --> 01:35:08.430
that stuff. And it's cool. But here's another

01:35:08.430 --> 01:35:09.960
thing they were saying. They're like. No, you

01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:12.720
haven't seen a physicist rip up a flat earther.

01:35:12.899 --> 01:35:15.079
So it's like they just do. That was the thing

01:35:15.079 --> 01:35:17.119
is like they do shit the left does is where it's

01:35:17.119 --> 01:35:20.100
like they try to tell you you haven't seen shit

01:35:20.100 --> 01:35:21.920
that you've seen with your own eyes. You know,

01:35:22.319 --> 01:35:26.439
like, yeah. So it's just funny that way. But,

01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:29.439
hey, gracious audience, we love you. Please share,

01:35:29.640 --> 01:35:33.199
like, follow, subscribe. All that jazz. Right.

01:35:34.180 --> 01:35:36.939
Flat earthers. Keep it coming. Bring some more

01:35:36.939 --> 01:35:39.340
on. Bring some more, you know, presentations.

01:35:39.340 --> 01:35:41.920
We're here to learn and be proven wrong. Well,

01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:43.699
we should now have a physicist song. We got to

01:35:43.699 --> 01:35:46.720
find a physicist. Absolutely. And that's the

01:35:46.720 --> 01:35:49.359
thing. We'll present both sides and let the audience

01:35:49.359 --> 01:35:51.300
decide. That's kind of what we do here. Like

01:35:51.300 --> 01:35:55.819
we do, you know, we present sides and you'll

01:35:55.819 --> 01:35:57.920
even see if if Chad says something, I'll try

01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.060
to flip put the other side of it just to make

01:36:00.060 --> 01:36:03.100
people think and check their own stuff out. Don't

01:36:03.100 --> 01:36:04.859
just take our word for it, because then that

01:36:04.859 --> 01:36:07.289
would be doing kind of what everybody else does.

01:36:07.350 --> 01:36:09.170
You know, like we do stuff to make you think

01:36:09.170 --> 01:36:13.149
and go do your own research. So do it and share.

01:36:14.529 --> 01:36:18.850
Yeah, baby. We shall see you next Tuesday. Peace

01:36:18.850 --> 01:36:20.369
everybody. Thank you.