The Gracious Two - LIVE Show 088 - Clint Wells

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And we are live, Mr. Gracey. What is going on?

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Yo, yo, yo. I just realized. Back again. Yes.

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Look at us and we're reversed in our normal position.

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That would happen. I don't know, dude. Normally,

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I'm on top. You know what I'm saying? And you

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take it. You're the bottom feeder. I mean, I'm

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top today, man. Fuck. Yes. Yes. That could be

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it on the bottom chat. I got a good question

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for you, dude. Have you ever picked a safe word

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with a chick? No. Okay. Then if my next question

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was, have you ever had to use it would be no

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to that. I don't know. I mean, I like cakey stuff,

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but I'm not into that. crazy bondage shit where

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you have to have a safe word like nothing. Same

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like I don't. No one's tying me the fuck up.

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No one's doing it. No, no. Yeah, thanks. Yeah,

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the chicks like so do you have a safe word? I

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would be like, yeah, stop would be like, you

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know where I would go. I need to look is don't.

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Yeah. Like in other words, when you say no or

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stop, I stop. So why do I need a fucking word

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like fire hydrant instead? You know, that's,

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that just will never be in a position where I

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need to say for us. Yeah, I'm good. Right. But

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what is the thought behind it? Is that they're

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going to push you to the point where you're saying

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no, but when you really want to say no, you got

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to use that word. Yes. Dude, as soon as I say

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no, I've reached a limit to where I'm no, you

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know, like I'm not putting out. Right. Well,

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some people were, you know, they're they want

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to be punished. They want to be beat. They want

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to be just bossed around by a woman. They want

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to be. Yeah. You know, they want to be dominated.

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And that's a lot of it. Do you ever see your

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watch billions? Yes. And so the the the head

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of what's a Paul Giamatti character. He awesome

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character in the first like two seasons. He's

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seeing this crazy dominatrix Cuz like it's I've

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heard I don't know if it's true or not, but I'm

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sure it is but like these high wasn't at his

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wife Chad Wasn't no his wife did dress up as

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the dominatrix for oh, okay He had another dominatrix,

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but these high these high -powered men that you

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know are they boss around people all day they

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like to be dominated some of them like to be

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dominated by a woman. So strange. And then but

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then they have a safe word because like they're

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like push push my limits, like inflict pain on

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me. And I'm going to say no, but like, keep going.

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Then if it gets too much, I have to have the

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safe word, you know. Oh, my God. When that crazy

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video came out, two girls, one cup came out.

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Dude, check this out. This is how I saw this

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video, bro. Like didn't hear about it. Didn't

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know about it. Go on my friend's computer. And

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find a folder that only had two videos in it.

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And that was one of them. Two girls, one cup.

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So I put it on fucking something. I'm like, oh,

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my God, disgusted. The second video, dude, was

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this old fucking dude tied up butt ass naked,

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you know, spread eagle and spread arms like,

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you know, and some chick with like fucking a

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leather lip barefoot. She's like, are you ready?

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He's like, yes, ma 'am. And she just runs up,

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kicks him in the balls, dude. Oh, good. I'm like,

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what the fuck, dude? That's crazy. And then she

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just kept doing it. And while those fucking two

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videos are disgusting and strange to watch, I'm

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like, what is my boy doing with these on his

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computer? Like, why are these the only videos

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here? Like, is he into it? And I didn't I didn't

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I didn't have the I didn't. asked because I was

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afraid to get the answer. You know what I'm saying?

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There are some there's some crazy S &M club and

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I think in the old meatpacking district in NYC,

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Manhattan. Yeah. And our record labels, some

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lady like we were at out to dinner and we were

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going to go to strip club and say, let me take

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you to this place. And we're like, what? So she

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takes us to this fucking place. It is a full

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on S &M crazy ass club. Like when you walked

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in, that's what you saw what you just explained

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already strapped up on the X getting beat by

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a dominatrix that's the first thing that you

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see when you walk into the room like holy shit

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okay wow there's no drinking in there but you

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get or like sodas but then we got we were only

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like still like 2324 this is probably right around

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when throwing copper came out so you know a little

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bit advanced in our age but like yeah still Four

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dorks from York that had never seen this shit

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right in person, right? So we're now we're walking

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through this place Looking around and we're going

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back. We're going through the back. We're just

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like taking this tour Like we look like these

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crazy walking through this but we look look to

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one side, you know this this Giant black guys

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fucking this dude in the ass. Oh my god right

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there and then we all look to the right and there's

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a black giant black guy with a giant penis jacking

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off in a cage. We're like, oh, shit. We're just

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kept looking around going, ah, ah, what the fuck

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is this? For some reason, I picture the next

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part of the story is, and then we all look around

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and Chad Taylor's gone and he's, uh, we didn't

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lose anybody. Everybody attacked. We were holding

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hands like the buddy system. I like how you said,

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uh, we walked in and the guy was all X'd up or

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something. Like you knew the term for it, dude.

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Do I need to, uh, I don't know if that's a term.

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I'm just saying strapped to the X thing. Like

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leg spread, arm spread. Gotcha. I'm like, wait

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a second here. Is Chad being, uh, pretending

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he was a fly in the wall, but he was the one

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throwing this party. That was me whipping the

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guy. Yeah. He's on the X, uh, the X stand that

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we, that we, uh, call it in this world. Maybe

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that's where Elon is. He's so into X and X. He

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probably has a dominatrix. Right. He probably

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would. Yeah, he's kind of guy that probably would.

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Yeah. The richest, kind of most powerful man

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in the world besides President Trump. Right.

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I mean, this guy's launching our rockets into

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space. He's fucking pretty nuts. That's not giving

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any fuel to the left. Oh, yeah, true. That's

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the next thing that he looks good. No, he's a

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depraved sex addict. Yeah. Firebomb some more

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testis. They're busting the shit out of the people

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that are firebombing testis. They're putting

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them in jail for like 20 years. Really? As they

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should. Oh, yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, OK,

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let's just say you don't hurt somebody with what

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you're doing. You could. You know what I'm saying?

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Like you're fucking putting people in danger.

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Oh, absolutely. They're burning down chargers

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in residential neighborhoods. They're setting

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multiple cars on fire. Charters, like charter

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schools? Chargers. Oh, chargers. Tesla chargers.

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Yeah. And they're burning down, throwing multiple

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cocktails into stores, firing rifles into stores.

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Like, it's insane. All because this guy is working

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with Trump and trying to save the government

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money. Sounds like a great cause to burn down

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shit for. I mean, It's the left. They make no

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fucking sense. They make no sense anymore. Well,

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I was just going to say, isn't what they're doing

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technically making him more money because he's

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going to get the insurance money and then have

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to rebuild like the chargers and shit. The Teslas

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that they're building. Same thing. These people

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are going to get their insurance money and either

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get a new Tesla or get that one fixed. It's like

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they're just putting more money in his pocket,

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it seems. Oh, yeah. Well, who said this logical

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logical about the whole movement? It's just complete

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people that are there's just people that are

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completely off their fucking rockers, thinking

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that there's some kind of resistance against

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Elon, who's trying to save everybody money. Okay,

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sir. Yeah, let's burn some shit down for that.

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The same with this. I mean, that whatever the

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senator from Maryland and now he had lunch with

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a brego Garcia down in and down in El Salvador.

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Oh, he had a tear in his eye. Like, so what?

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Wait, Chad. So that was the dude we played yesterday,

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the video. Yeah, that same guy. So he actually

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got to hook up with him. Yes. Yes. He had lunch

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with him and he's like getting all emotional

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about it. This is a guy who's in his constituency.

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It has a literal hostage in a by Hamas in Palestine,

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right? So in Gaza, there's a hostage from Maryland

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in Gaza. Okay. never hear him talk about a word

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about that. No, there also was a woman killed

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by an illegal alien in Maryland, a Maryland woman

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killed by an illegal alien. Never hear him talk

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about that. But his, his soapbox is I'm going

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to go to El Salvador to talk to an MS 13 member

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wife beater who's been deported. I'm going to

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try to bring him back so he can be deported again.

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This is, I mean, who votes for these fucking

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people? Like the whole thing is just absurd.

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Like if, you know, If he had I just don't understand

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how he has like thinks he has a course of action

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to bring this guy back from his country he was

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born in. Right. Like and not like bringing him

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back, like extraditing him because he's like

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wanted for a crime in America. But like bringing

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him back for what? Like to like you said, just

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to deport him again because he's here illegally.

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Right. It's I mean, the things that the Democrats

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put themselves up to are you know, the hills

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they want to die on are just ridiculous. They

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just keep looking like the most ridiculous people

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we've ever seen. It's wild, man. And but like,

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and it's like, do you does this guy really give

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a shit about this guy? No, he's using for political

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points that aren't landing because no one in

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the American public gives a shit except for a

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very few small amount of lefties who are trying

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to be anti Trump. Oh, yeah, Trump, Trump deported

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him. We got to bring him back. Because Trump

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deported him. It's like it's just it's illogical.

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It doesn't make sense. Definitely illogical.

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And the fact that like people are putting up

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with it is illogical. Like it's just fucking

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insane, dude. Like I mean, on the other hand,

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it's fun to talk about. On the other hand, I'm

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all about I'm all about it. Keep doing it. Keep

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doing it, Dems. Keep making yourselves look like

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look ridiculous. Keep making your favorability

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polls go down and down and down. People don't

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know people are just leaving. It's insane. And

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they're leaving in troves, dude. Who was who

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were the celebrities? Some celebrities actually

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kept their promise, Chad, and I think moved out

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of the country. Oh, Rosie did. But she's coming

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back, apparently. Ireland didn't want her. Rosie.

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Rosie O'Donnell. She did. So she went to Ireland.

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Yeah, they're trying to get rid of her. They're

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trying to kick her out. They may have already.

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Good. Rosie O'Donnell. I'm all for the liberals

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to leave the country. Great. There's less of

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you to vote. Agreed. And there's this whole movement

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of liberal women not wanting to sleep with Trump

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voters. I'm like, great. OK, fine. Well, can

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you imagine that that's a thing, dude? Like,

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it's a thing. Yeah, but like, this wasn't anything

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like, did you know anybody's political affiliation

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in the 90s, like and who they were voting for,

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like? It just becomes so fucking magnified and

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and dividing. It's insane. And I'll fucking tell

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a chick I voted left just to get her to blow

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me and then let her know, hey, by the way, you're

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blowing a Trumpy. Tell her tell her why she's

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blowing you. What's the what's the what's the

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worst thing you could hear while giving Willie

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Nelson a blowjob? I don't know. Hey, I'm not

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Willie Nelson. So who's Preston Marshal said?

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Hey, Chad, Steve Gorman, former drummer. Black

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Crows has a really good radio show at KQRS in

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Minneapolis. Oh, cool. I didn't know they had

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a radio show. Very cool. Shall we put that up?

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Is this this one? Yes, that's the one. Yes, Steve

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Gorman, he's a great drummer. I guess he. He

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left the band and wrote a book about how crazy

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it was. The brothers, you know, was it Chris

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and... Oh, yeah. James? No. Rich. Chris and Rich.

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Chris and Rich. Yeah, they fucking hate each

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other. Yeah. Well, not anymore. Now they're touring

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or something. For now. Yeah. For now. They've

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gone through different phases, just like the

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the brothers in Oasis. Oasis. Yes. Thank you.

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Money talks and fucking you know they're like

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we don't hate each other that much that we can't

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get together for tour here Exactly Why don't

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we bring on our next guest there Chad? Let's

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do it. Let's do it We'll just be jabbing away.

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Yes, we won't stop what up Clint Wells. What's

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up guys? How's it going? Howdy good, man? How

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are you? Doing well happy to be here. Thank you

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for the invite. It's good to see you very welcome

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Thank you for coming on and where are you in

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Nashville? I'm in Nashville. Yeah, home for another

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eight or nine days before we go back out. Cool.

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Dude, I knew you had a podcast, but I did not

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realize that you had that real radio podcast

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voice there. I've been podcasting for like eight

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years now, which is pretty wild. So I've logged

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some time. Yeah. And I saw the podcast is metal

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up your podcast. It's metal up your podcast.

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It's an all Metallica podcast. Yes. They were

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going to call their first album Metal Up Your

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Ass. And so eight years ago, my co -host at the

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time, we thought it was clever to call it Metal

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Up Your Podcast. I wish we could have. I wish

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I could change that. But that is what it's called.

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It is as of now, eight years running the largest,

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most popular Metallica podcast in the world.

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Whatever that means. Can I give you a good Metallica

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story? Well, I was gonna see if you wanted to

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come on the podcast after we do this, not tonight,

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but at some point in the future. I would love

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to hear Metallica stories from you. Oh, I can

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tell you a great Metallica story, and it's a

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longer story that involves Mr... What's his name?

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Oh, shit. The drummer? Lars. No, not Lars. No.

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God, you fuck. Kirk! Kirk! Fuck up, man. God.

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Marilyn Manson, God damn it. Jesus Christ. That's

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a totally different band, but okay. I don't know,

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but there's a whole male and male story that

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then evolves into a Metallica story. It's great.

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Oh, boy. Wow. Are we saving it for Clint's pod

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or are you breaking it out? Yes, we will. If

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I'm going to go on, why not? Well, I don't need

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to come on Yacht Show and dictate what we talk

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about, but that would be a good story for the

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pod. You completely jacked it. Sorry, dudes.

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It's a fun. It's a little bit of a long story,

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but it's hilarious and fun and Metallica is in

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right at the end and it's great. We also have

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crossed at the Woodstock gigs, right? Or did

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you all ever do any other kind of stuff together

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other than the Woodstock stuff? We played a K

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-Rock weenie roast with them one time. A weenie

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roast? Yeah, the K -Rock. Wow. Remember the K

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-Rock weenie roast they used to have in Irvine?

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we played one with them.

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It was us, the Chili Peppers and Metallica back

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in the day. This is probably like some time in

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the 2000s. Yeah. It's probably early 2000s. And

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then our old security guard, this guy named Tom

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Robb, who was our security 99, he went on, he's

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like Metallica's main security guy now. And he

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actually started a whole company that Metallica

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uses, and he's doing all the biggest acts now,

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his security company. But he was a personal guy

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forever and ever. I think he may still be, but

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yeah. Serious job, man. Remember, Ronnie, the

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limo driver was Howard Stern security, dude.

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I never understood that 80 year old guy. He's

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not a very intimidating guy, is he? Yeah. No,

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he talks like he is, though. You know, you and

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pissy. Yeah. Yeah. Clint, so talk to us about

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how you got into how you became a musician. What

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was the first instrument you picked up and how

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and why? Oh, man. Well, I'm 41. So it was quite

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a long time ago at this point. Always loved music.

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I'm from Alabama, small town in Alabama, raised

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by single parent latchkey kid shit. So music

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was sort of a gateway out of out of all of that.

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So always loved music. MTV, pretty big group

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on MTV, which is why I like Madonna and Prince

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in addition to Metallica and live. Early 90s

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for me, like if you were a kid growing up with

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that stuff, it's very genreless. Yeah, I didn't

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really get tribal about music till I was in my

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teenage years got snobby now, that's all melted

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away too, but My best friend when I was 12, he

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got a guitar and he was really good right away

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I was not very good. It took me a long time to

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get good But he was really good right away and

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then he like devoted his whole life to it I didn't

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see him for like six months So I was like I got

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a guitar just so I could keep hanging out with

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him That was how I started to play music Wow,

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cuz he really disappeared into it And I was,

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you know, he taught me some chords and then he

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could just solo over the chords. So I remember

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my first memories of playing guitar were just

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barely changing chords and then him sort of selfishly

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soloing over it for hours. Exactly. Exactly.

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So that's how it started. Well, yeah, he was

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just getting his reps in, I guess. And then it

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was a way for us to hang out. So he still makes

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music, too. He's in a cover band down in Birmingham

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somewhere. But he was always one of those guys

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where he could play like Van Halen perfectly.

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You know what I mean? Like he could read tablature

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or like learn a song and it would sound like

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Van fucking Halen. I was always like I could

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always get like 70 percent there. You know what

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I mean? Like I could cut. But I was always more

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interested in doing my own stuff. And so I think

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that's why our trajectory he ends up ended up

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in a really successful like kind of tribute cover

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party 80s band because he can play all that.

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I know I say real bands, but, you know, original

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music bands that are touring. you know, really

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making music, you know what I mean? We just found

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out a couple weeks ago from the previous guitarist

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for Candlebox, The Gracious Few, toured with

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live a little bit that there's good money in

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cover band touring. Oh, tribute band. Kind of

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the same thing, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm

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friends with a guy on Facebook and he asked me

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to come to see his tribute band this night in

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what was it, Garden Grove. So I drove up there

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and it was a whole trip. It was a whole night

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of tribute bands in this little tiny amphitheater

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We held about a thousand people but it was like

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a social distortion tribute band talking heads

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blondie and I think the Ramones but nice and

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they're out there but he's this guy's telling

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me he's like yeah, we travel all over the like

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southwest we do was Make a really good money

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doing all these tribute tribute fucking tours.

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I was like, okay, who knew dope And they're great

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musicians. And I think it's all corporate. It's

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all corporatized out. Like, I've got friends

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that have those gigs. And depending on what the

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gig is, whether it's like a wedding or an event

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for a thing, they'll put the bands together based

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on what the gig is. Oh, it's an R &B wedding

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thing. Oh, wow. And those get called and they

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sort of float in and out. And these sort of corporations

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own them. It'll be like a yacht rock thing. And

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there's that same version of that yacht rock

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thing in Chicago, in New York, in Nashville.

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And the players are all fluid, you know, and

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they get to see their kids. They get to see their

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kids at night, so who's really the fool, you

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know? They get to be home. I have a serious question,

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Clint, about Metallica. Oh, boy. Well, because

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so me as like not the ultra Metallica fan, like

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I like their music. I always thought that the

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Black Album was like one of their best albums.

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And then every diehard Metallica fan I met. or

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I don't know if they're like being savvy or whatever,

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but they're like, that album sucks. All the ones

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before were better. And I'm like, really? Mm

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hmm. Yeah, we call them trues. They're the trues.

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That is the case. Yeah, they're the ones who

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believe the black album was a big sellout point.

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The songs got more commercial, groovier. They

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were on MTV. They had big hits. I get it. I've

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had to talk with these people a lot and obviously

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deal with Metallica stuff a lot in the last eight

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years. But they felt like their band changed.

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Now, I was nine or 10 when Inner Sandman came

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on MTV, so that was my on -line point, and I

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love everything they did in the 90s. Because

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if they thought they hated the black album, they

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really hate the two records they did after that,

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Load and Reload. Oh, yeah. When they cut their

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hair. Exactly. Kirk's wearing Guy Liner, Lars

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and Kirk are kissing on the cover of the magazine,

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they cut their hair. You know, they're playing

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an alternative kind of, it was really more like

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Corrosion of Conformity and like Alice in Chains

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was very inspired by what was happening in the

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90s. They're playing Lollapalooza. So all the

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metalheads, which I don't consider myself one,

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by the way, they took that really personally

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because they felt like they'd sort of been betrayed

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by the more grassroots punk rock attitude, heavy

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metal Bay Area thing. Whereas again, going back

00:21:32.859 --> 00:21:35.980
to the MTV thing, I just never, I never even

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considered that. I just liked all of it. Like

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when I got the black album. And then they're

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like, Oh, you should hear a kill them all. And

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you should hear ride the lightning. I just thought

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it was all awesome. Yeah, it didn't. It didn't

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seem like two different bands to me. But I understand

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that if you came online with kill them all and

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then fast forward and they're on MTV and until

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it sleeps and it's slow and it's melodic. I guess

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I get that. But yeah, people hate people really

00:22:00.569 --> 00:22:02.509
do see the black album as like a demarcation

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line of when Metallica got bad. Was load a picture

00:22:06.880 --> 00:22:10.440
of a fucking jizz load on the cover? It's it's

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the artist sperm mixed with bovine blood And

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then reload huh and then reload was reload was

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urine With the same artist and that guy was like

00:22:25.380 --> 00:22:27.539
a James Hethel called him a sick motherfucker

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Yeah, that guy. Yeah, he's famous for a piece

00:22:31.660 --> 00:22:33.500
of art he called piss christ which was like a

00:22:33.500 --> 00:22:36.619
crucifix of jesus in a jar of urine so that's

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what they were tapping into yeah in the mid 90s

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um yeah did you like uh some kind of monster

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uh i think every musician it's like the greatest

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band documentary of all time i mean he has acquired

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watching we've watched it on many a bus i did

00:22:52.740 --> 00:22:55.640
like it um it's interesting to have a documentary

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of you know, one of the world's biggest bands

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falling apart and losing all of their ego and

00:23:00.500 --> 00:23:02.579
confidence and whine, you know, they're sitting

00:23:02.579 --> 00:23:04.599
there going, what are we going to do? And yeah,

00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.000
there's some really amazing shit in there. That's

00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:08.940
fascinating. It's quite embarrassing. I mean,

00:23:10.140 --> 00:23:13.839
I love I love the whole they had the therapist

00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:16.140
involved, right? Phil tried to talk them through

00:23:16.140 --> 00:23:18.420
all this stuff. And because when we when live

00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:21.819
came back together after we broke up in 2016,

00:23:21.819 --> 00:23:24.279
I was like, yeah, we should have band therapist.

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Mm hmm. No one wanted to do it. Okay. Well, you

00:23:29.779 --> 00:23:31.559
probably wanted it because of the documentary.

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They probably didn't want it because of the documentary.

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I wanted it to ground everybody back to zero

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and start fresh and get all the shit out. Yeah,

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but you had to get everything out on the table

00:23:43.769 --> 00:23:46.109
and like, okay, can you piss me off doing this?

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And I'm pissed because you said this. And I wanted

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to get all that out on the table. I was like,

00:23:51.109 --> 00:23:53.549
no, we're just gonna move forward and not talk

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about anything in the past. I'm like, you think

00:23:55.410 --> 00:24:01.589
it would have worked? Probably not. There's there's

00:24:01.589 --> 00:24:03.509
some narcissism there. That's you know, that's

00:24:03.509 --> 00:24:05.430
hard to break. Well, I was just gonna say and

00:24:05.430 --> 00:24:08.490
Chad, you you know, you had like the least amount

00:24:08.490 --> 00:24:10.650
of skeletons in the closet. So you, of course,

00:24:10.730 --> 00:24:12.329
would have been like kind of cool airing out

00:24:12.329 --> 00:24:14.890
the dirty laundry and stuff because you would

00:24:14.890 --> 00:24:17.069
have not, you know, maybe come across looking

00:24:17.069 --> 00:24:21.089
like a shiner in there or maybe you and Patrick.

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I was just I wanted everyone to get along. But

00:24:24.289 --> 00:24:26.789
yeah. Hey, what do you do? Rodney King style.

00:24:26.990 --> 00:24:29.490
Can't we all just get along? That big article

00:24:29.490 --> 00:24:31.730
that came out about the you know, an article

00:24:31.730 --> 00:24:33.009
I'm talking about. I don't remember who put it

00:24:33.009 --> 00:24:34.630
out, but it was like a big in -depth article.

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Yeah. Was it Rolling Stone? Yeah, I guess a few

00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:40.359
people read that. So how accurate was that article?

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I mean, I was like in depth about all the business

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stuff. Was that an accurate portrayal of sort

00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:50.680
of what happened? I think we're talking about

00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.039
the same thing. Are you talking about the article

00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:53.579
in Rolling Stone that talked about our business

00:24:53.579 --> 00:24:56.960
partner? Yes. Yeah. Yes. No, that was not an

00:24:56.960 --> 00:25:02.059
accurate portrayal. Per trail. Per trail. Thank

00:25:02.059 --> 00:25:07.529
you. And actually, Chad is now Chad Taylor has

00:25:07.529 --> 00:25:09.670
now gone through a settlement. He got sued for

00:25:09.670 --> 00:25:11.890
defamation for that article by Bill Hines, our

00:25:11.890 --> 00:25:14.049
business partner or former business partner.

00:25:14.069 --> 00:25:15.990
He's still one of my business partners, but he

00:25:15.990 --> 00:25:18.809
got sued for defamation and had had to basically

00:25:18.809 --> 00:25:21.930
sign affidavit saying that it was all lie. Yeah.

00:25:22.049 --> 00:25:25.890
Wow. He was, he was misled by the company that

00:25:25.890 --> 00:25:28.109
we started called UFD. You have, we started this

00:25:28.109 --> 00:25:29.789
company called UFD. We were building a fiber

00:25:29.789 --> 00:25:32.509
optic network between New York city and Ashburn,

00:25:32.509 --> 00:25:34.309
Virginia. We were doing this during our, during

00:25:34.309 --> 00:25:38.500
the time we were not the band with Ed and Bill

00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:40.460
Hines, our main business partner. We got the

00:25:40.460 --> 00:25:43.920
line finished, but the management took over as

00:25:43.920 --> 00:25:47.519
we left and to go back on the road. And, um,

00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.019
they basically took the company from us and sold

00:25:50.019 --> 00:25:52.460
it for pennies on the dollar. And they misled

00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:57.240
Chad because Bill Hines was the, was the, there's

00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.539
two, two board members that control the company.

00:25:59.619 --> 00:26:01.799
Bill Hines and this guy named Lou Appel, who

00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.710
was the son of the billionaire. who started the

00:26:04.710 --> 00:26:06.150
company with us. Well, it didn't start it, but

00:26:06.150 --> 00:26:08.569
he was our first funder, this guy named Louie

00:26:08.569 --> 00:26:11.069
Appel. And so his son took over when Louie died.

00:26:11.890 --> 00:26:13.869
They had this plan to get rid of Bill because

00:26:13.869 --> 00:26:17.970
they wanted his board seat. And so they co -opted

00:26:17.970 --> 00:26:22.109
Chad into this, fed him all these lies that he

00:26:22.109 --> 00:26:24.210
then put in the Rolling Stone, which made Bill

00:26:24.210 --> 00:26:26.289
look worse and worse and worse so that they could

00:26:26.289 --> 00:26:27.650
eventually just sell the company for pennies

00:26:27.650 --> 00:26:29.069
on the dollar. And that's what they've done.

00:26:29.670 --> 00:26:33.180
So they fucked us all out of any money. And about

00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:36.359
two to three weeks ago, Clint, the defamation

00:26:36.359 --> 00:26:39.480
thing went through with between Bill and Chad

00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:43.359
Taylor. And Taylor basically, you know, rescinded

00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:44.960
everything he said in that article and took it

00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.759
all back. So I doubt that Rolling Stone will

00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:51.519
do a retraction because it's usually how it works.

00:26:51.940 --> 00:26:53.720
Right. Yeah. You know, it's funny, Clint, is

00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.740
they spoke to Chad Gracie, you know, or they

00:26:58.169 --> 00:27:00.450
briefly, but they got his side of the story and

00:27:00.450 --> 00:27:03.569
just decided to 90 minutes and they put like,

00:27:03.609 --> 00:27:06.029
I don't know, 510 % of what I said in there.

00:27:06.630 --> 00:27:08.470
Yeah, because you probably weren't, you know,

00:27:08.589 --> 00:27:10.369
supporting the narrative they wanted to put out.

00:27:10.670 --> 00:27:13.069
I was telling the truth. Yes, I knew what was

00:27:13.069 --> 00:27:15.990
going on the whole time. He wasn't being salacious,

00:27:16.089 --> 00:27:18.490
as they say. And Chad, you know, Chad didn't

00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:20.410
think he was lying, but he was lying based on

00:27:20.410 --> 00:27:24.750
what he was told. Yeah. Well, it's a bummer.

00:27:24.869 --> 00:27:27.160
I'm sure I'm sure. I'm sure many people have

00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.940
told you that, you know, the band was just so

00:27:28.940 --> 00:27:30.839
special. And, you know, I went and saw the new

00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:33.559
version of it on this Stuntable Pilots tour.

00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.019
And I know some of the guys that are playing

00:27:35.019 --> 00:27:36.839
with Ed now and they're friends of mine, all

00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.259
this blah, blah, blah. But, you know, not the

00:27:39.259 --> 00:27:41.339
same. It's just the four of you guys together

00:27:41.339 --> 00:27:47.000
was so special. It was so special. If you're

00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.980
referring to Zach Lloyd, he's the man, by the

00:27:48.980 --> 00:27:51.380
way. I am referring to Zach specifically. Zach's

00:27:51.380 --> 00:27:54.240
great. He's a great guitar player. Yeah. I love

00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:56.140
Zach. He's a great guy, great guitar player.

00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:00.079
Um, yeah, it's just the only, the only person

00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:02.940
that doesn't think that it was magic is the guy

00:28:02.940 --> 00:28:04.900
that is out there with three other dudes right

00:28:04.900 --> 00:28:09.400
now. He thinks it's all because of him. But like

00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:12.140
he kind of had, you know, let's not count this

00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:15.640
time, but he had his ed K solo records to be

00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.579
proven that it's not, you know what I'm saying?

00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:20.299
Like he's no, right? But a narcissist doesn't

00:28:20.299 --> 00:28:23.119
ever think they're wrong. So crazy. He just didn't

00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:24.940
have it. He just didn't get the right support

00:28:24.940 --> 00:28:26.519
from the radio station or the record company.

00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:29.660
That's right. That's right. I mean, when we there's

00:28:29.660 --> 00:28:32.279
this. So we had this EP when we were together

00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.720
that we put out in 19, 18 or 19 called Local

00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:40.940
717. Right. Right. And the whole tragedy of that

00:28:40.940 --> 00:28:43.690
is that I'm not playing drums on that. Right,

00:28:43.690 --> 00:28:48.910
so I injured myself in 17. I fell and My daughter

00:28:48.910 --> 00:28:51.490
took me out in my kitchen, but I fell and ruptured

00:28:51.490 --> 00:28:55.829
my tricep tendon my right arm 90 % right so we

00:28:55.829 --> 00:28:57.829
bring it and that was on a Wednesday on Saturday.

00:28:57.829 --> 00:29:01.609
We were playing this Arroyo Seco festival in

00:29:01.609 --> 00:29:06.269
in LA, Pasadena and I called Chad I'm like I

00:29:06.269 --> 00:29:08.750
fell dude my tricep tendon severed in my right

00:29:08.750 --> 00:29:13.150
arm like I'm fucked So I ended up playing the

00:29:13.150 --> 00:29:15.309
show, but I play one arm. We bring in this guy,

00:29:15.470 --> 00:29:17.170
Robin Diaz, who ended up playing drums with that

00:29:17.170 --> 00:29:18.650
for a little while. And Robin's a great guy,

00:29:18.710 --> 00:29:22.769
amazing drummer. And he knew all the live songs,

00:29:22.769 --> 00:29:24.390
so we didn't have a chance to practice with him.

00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:28.970
So he just showed up. I still played drums one

00:29:28.970 --> 00:29:31.130
arm, and I was kind of running the show. And

00:29:31.130 --> 00:29:34.109
he would just play my parts or something akin

00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:38.329
to them through the songs. And I got healed.

00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.519
By the I was in June by August I was healed ready

00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:46.180
to play and I guess I don't well at the time

00:29:46.180 --> 00:29:47.720
I thought it was Chad Taylor but I guess it was

00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.740
more Ed he decided they decided they want two

00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:51.440
drummers on stage and I'm just like what the

00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.920
fuck are we doing this for and I've been told

00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.180
in hindsight it was like oh no well we didn't

00:29:56.180 --> 00:29:58.059
know if you're gonna be okay and I'm like I'm

00:29:58.059 --> 00:30:00.400
fully healed like I was playing like anyway so

00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:02.240
we kept we had two drummers for a while which

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:04.400
was stupid Wait, Chad, I got a quick question

00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.339
here. So because didn't Ed at one point like

00:30:08.339 --> 00:30:11.160
want you behind a plexiglass like I did that

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.960
for a while. I did that in the 2000s. I played

00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:14.980
behind plexiglass. Yeah. So it's like he had

00:30:14.980 --> 00:30:16.880
like a problem with the drums or something. And

00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.240
now he has two drummers. Right. Well, exactly.

00:30:19.420 --> 00:30:22.099
That's the whole. Well, that's another that just

00:30:22.099 --> 00:30:24.599
happened to Ringo's son. Also, he just got bounced

00:30:24.599 --> 00:30:25.960
from the hood. I don't know if you guys kept

00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.680
up with that. It just seems like I've been in

00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.650
enough bands, you know. It just seems like they

00:30:32.650 --> 00:30:35.230
he wanted to change, you know, and it's like

00:30:35.230 --> 00:30:38.009
when you want to change you'll find any You know

00:30:38.009 --> 00:30:39.369
what I mean? It's the drums are too loud and

00:30:39.369 --> 00:30:42.029
it's like well now you have two drummers That's

00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:44.170
double the amount of drumming plus you're all

00:30:44.170 --> 00:30:46.829
probably wearing in ears. And yeah, we were wearing

00:30:46.829 --> 00:30:50.450
in ears. Well most of Most of the 2000s ed would

00:30:50.450 --> 00:30:53.109
only wear one ear. And so the drums are too loud

00:30:53.109 --> 00:30:55.930
for him, which was yeah Ridiculous. So anyway,

00:30:55.990 --> 00:30:59.650
so so robin came on and then during between 18

00:30:59.650 --> 00:31:03.240
and 19 we were making that help the EP, I would

00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:04.859
I didn't even get to hear the songs. All of a

00:31:04.859 --> 00:31:08.160
sudden I hear these songs that Robin had played

00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:10.319
on. I'm like, what the fuck is it? I mean, it

00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.380
was like one of the probably the biggest betrayals

00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:16.039
of my life. Yeah, to hear music, live music.

00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:19.079
Yeah, I wasn't even privy to hear. Then there's

00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:20.599
another drummer playing. I was just like, Wow,

00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:25.500
this is fucked up. And that, yeah, it's it was

00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:29.299
crazy. So I didn't. So that that was a bad thing.

00:31:29.299 --> 00:31:32.369
But those songs were like, Yeah, crap. Anyway,

00:31:32.630 --> 00:31:35.029
yeah, so at this point, I'm like, well, I'm glad

00:31:35.029 --> 00:31:38.230
I didn't play on Venus refers cover was the best

00:31:38.230 --> 00:31:41.450
thing I played on that. Ah, so that's why then.

00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:43.809
But for real, that's a good that was great cover

00:31:43.809 --> 00:31:45.250
song. I never even heard it before. And I was

00:31:45.250 --> 00:31:47.269
like, you know, this is fucking I was actually

00:31:47.269 --> 00:31:49.289
scared. I'm like, this is a scary song because

00:31:49.289 --> 00:31:53.269
it's like real eerie. Right. I get I get I get

00:31:53.269 --> 00:31:57.089
scared, Clint. So I was scared of like hard music

00:31:57.089 --> 00:31:59.390
back in the day like corn used to like give me

00:31:59.390 --> 00:32:01.599
nightmares. But then I realized that they were

00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:03.660
cool. Like, now I'm into it. But like, yeah,

00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:05.299
I was a little younger and I was like, this is

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:07.980
fucking dark, dude. It's supposed to scare you.

00:32:08.019 --> 00:32:09.440
It's supposed to scare you a little bit. I mean,

00:32:09.819 --> 00:32:13.779
I think live music was scary. You know, the subject

00:32:13.779 --> 00:32:16.160
matter was, you know, Damodara Creek was scary.

00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:21.180
White Discussion was scary. TVD was scary. Pillar

00:32:21.180 --> 00:32:23.769
of Davidson was scary. The whole Secret Samadhi

00:32:23.769 --> 00:32:28.930
album is scary to me. But is it as scary as...

00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:34.490
No. Yeah, that hat's scary. We were just talking

00:32:34.490 --> 00:32:36.690
about on the Metallica podcast. We were going

00:32:36.690 --> 00:32:38.769
through like the first time we saw Metallica.

00:32:38.890 --> 00:32:40.349
And it would have been around the time that I

00:32:40.349 --> 00:32:42.609
first saw live, actually. So 2000, they did a

00:32:42.609 --> 00:32:45.950
tour with Korn. It was Korn, Power Man 5000,

00:32:46.269 --> 00:32:48.309
System of a Down and Kid Rock. It was like a

00:32:48.309 --> 00:32:51.509
festival. The doors were at two o 'clock. Here's

00:32:51.509 --> 00:32:53.890
the thing, though. When I was 17, I hated all

00:32:53.890 --> 00:32:56.230
those bands. I was very snobby and I was a very

00:32:56.230 --> 00:32:59.670
big Metallica purist, you know what I mean? And

00:32:59.670 --> 00:33:02.349
so we had to wait all day for Metallica. You

00:33:02.349 --> 00:33:04.150
know, the doors opened at 2, Georgia to home

00:33:04.150 --> 00:33:06.150
in Atlanta. We're 16. I don't even know how we

00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:08.609
got there. I don't even know how we got the tickets.

00:33:09.670 --> 00:33:11.910
I can't even remember. But anyway, we get there,

00:33:11.970 --> 00:33:13.970
we sit through all that and we're doing the kind

00:33:13.970 --> 00:33:15.470
of immature 16 year old thing where we're doing

00:33:15.470 --> 00:33:18.460
this during the Kid Rock set. We just really

00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:20.319
were very snobby. And Kid Rock had a big hit

00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.000
that year sampling the Metallica song, Sad But

00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:25.400
True. It was called American Badass. And that

00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.140
was just anathema. Like me and my little buddies,

00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:29.960
we were in a band. We played Metallica songs

00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:34.059
and live songs in our basements. And we were

00:33:34.059 --> 00:33:35.740
just snobby. And it was the first time I ever

00:33:35.740 --> 00:33:38.200
seen Metallica. Get to finally they're supposed

00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:39.839
to come out. It's been, it just felt like torture.

00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:41.640
Hours of watching bands we don't like. I like

00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.059
those bands now and I respect them more now.

00:33:44.140 --> 00:33:47.180
But I was 16. I was a little shithead. The boys

00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:49.660
come out, now they normally play this, an Ennio

00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:51.319
Morricone song called XC of Gold before they

00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:52.660
come out. So you know that something's about

00:33:52.660 --> 00:33:56.859
to happen. No, no XC of Gold. The three of the

00:33:56.859 --> 00:34:00.039
guys minus James Hetfield come out. Kirk Hammett's

00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:01.339
wearing a cowboy hat. I remember looking at my

00:34:01.339 --> 00:34:02.480
friend and said, this is bad. Kirk's wearing

00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:06.000
a cowboy hat. This can't be good. James Hetfield,

00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.980
jet skiing that day, pulled a disc in his back.

00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.739
James Hetfield's not gonna be here tonight. We're

00:34:11.739 --> 00:34:14.619
gonna do a makeup show in a month. In the meantime,

00:34:14.820 --> 00:34:18.639
all the members of Korn and Kid Rock and System

00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:20.480
of a Down are going to come out and help us play

00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.860
like 90 minutes of a patched together thing.

00:34:23.920 --> 00:34:27.539
Wow. That kind of sounds good, dude. Well, it's

00:34:27.539 --> 00:34:29.739
on YouTube. Yeah, yeah, right. That show is on

00:34:29.739 --> 00:34:32.039
YouTube. And I did an episode where we went and

00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:33.940
watched it and sort of did commentary on it.

00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:35.780
Dude, when I was a kid and watching that, it

00:34:35.780 --> 00:34:37.579
was devastating. I went back and watched it.

00:34:37.619 --> 00:34:38.960
I was like, this is actually really cool that

00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:41.679
these guys. On such short notice, we're like,

00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:43.719
I'll try to play guitar on For Whom the Bell

00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:45.900
Tolls. And I think I know the riff to whatever,

00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.579
you know? Wow. You mentioned corn and corn being

00:34:49.579 --> 00:34:56.400
scary. Do you know the story behind corn? I don't

00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:58.039
know if this is true or if this was like those

00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.940
90s rumors that were started, but supposedly

00:35:00.940 --> 00:35:04.940
somebody in the band was banging a dude in their

00:35:04.940 --> 00:35:07.500
butt. And when he pulled his dick out, it had

00:35:07.500 --> 00:35:15.590
corn on it. Yeah. Not heard that one. Uh, I didn't

00:35:15.590 --> 00:35:19.510
know that. Wow. Am I breaking? Fuck. Am I breaking

00:35:19.510 --> 00:35:22.110
news on the gracious two here? Bobby, look it

00:35:22.110 --> 00:35:25.730
up. Tell me where the name corn came from. Bobby,

00:35:25.809 --> 00:35:29.929
let's go. Uh, now watch. We don't know for sure,

00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:32.010
but let's see. I might, I might've been onto

00:35:32.010 --> 00:35:35.159
something here. That might be. That might be

00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.219
in the same column as the Marilyn Manson had

00:35:37.219 --> 00:35:39.239
a rib removed so he could give himself that job.

00:35:39.619 --> 00:35:44.119
Sounds of the same vein. That's true. That's

00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:46.679
hilarious. But you know what's fun about the

00:35:46.679 --> 00:35:48.280
90s is you hear a rumor like that and there was

00:35:48.280 --> 00:35:50.679
really no great way to verify it. So you just

00:35:50.679 --> 00:35:53.400
it just became lore. Now everyone has access

00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:55.599
to everything and everyone is dumb as shit now.

00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:00.280
It's ironic that we have the most access to information

00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:02.300
we've ever had and most people are stupid. Yeah.

00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:06.239
misinformation all over the place. Oh, Bobby

00:36:06.239 --> 00:36:09.079
says not true. Oh, yeah. Fuck you, Bobby. See,

00:36:09.139 --> 00:36:14.579
damn it. Exactly. How does he know? They switched

00:36:14.579 --> 00:36:19.019
up the truth on us. What was some other ones

00:36:19.019 --> 00:36:22.880
I heard? I heard that all the guys in live. Did

00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.960
you ever hear that? What's that? All the guys.

00:36:26.650 --> 00:36:30.190
I heard the drummer and the singer used to blow

00:36:30.190 --> 00:36:33.789
each other after the shows all the time. I don't

00:36:33.789 --> 00:36:38.610
remember that. I do remember. I do remember there

00:36:38.610 --> 00:36:40.849
was like I remember when the five album came

00:36:40.849 --> 00:36:43.690
out, which I like everything up to Birds of Prey,

00:36:43.849 --> 00:36:46.150
including Birds of Prey. After that is where

00:36:46.150 --> 00:36:49.030
I kind of lost touch with the records. But I

00:36:49.030 --> 00:36:51.170
remember when the five album came out, there

00:36:51.170 --> 00:36:54.179
were some interesting. lyrical content on there

00:36:54.179 --> 00:36:55.460
that my, you know what I mean? My friends were

00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:58.659
like, what's this deep enough? I'm in the club

00:36:58.659 --> 00:37:01.480
with a swatch watch. Do you know what time it

00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:03.400
is? We were all sitting back, you know, what

00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.320
the fuck is he singing about? Honestly, I was

00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:09.219
going on here. I have to be honest with you,

00:37:09.260 --> 00:37:11.239
Chad, I really love that song. It was a head

00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.039
scratcher. I remember my my friends were kind

00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:15.760
of starting to I saw you guys on tour and you

00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:18.929
played deep enough, but it was. It was a co -headline

00:37:18.929 --> 00:37:20.889
with the Counting Crows. I think it was 99 or

00:37:20.889 --> 00:37:23.730
2000. So it was before that album came out. And

00:37:23.730 --> 00:37:25.250
you guys played deep enough. And we were all

00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:27.929
like, oh, a new, you know, back then a band like

00:37:27.929 --> 00:37:29.750
Live would play like a new song. You'd get excited,

00:37:29.750 --> 00:37:32.429
you know, like you'd want to lean into it instead

00:37:32.429 --> 00:37:33.769
of being like, what is this? I can't do this

00:37:33.769 --> 00:37:36.949
on YouTube, you know? But I actually met I met

00:37:36.949 --> 00:37:39.610
you guys before that show. I must have been 15

00:37:39.610 --> 00:37:42.449
or 16. Well, it's interesting because you guys

00:37:42.449 --> 00:37:45.150
did like a fan meet and greet. But nowadays,

00:37:45.150 --> 00:37:47.210
every band ever, including us and every band

00:37:47.210 --> 00:37:50.230
I tour with now, they do these paid VIP experiences.

00:37:51.210 --> 00:37:53.429
But back then, you guys were just doing a radio

00:37:53.429 --> 00:37:58.050
thing. And I didn't even win tickets to it. But

00:37:58.050 --> 00:38:00.030
me and my friends, we were so excited for the

00:38:00.030 --> 00:38:02.170
show. We were also big Counting Cross fans that

00:38:02.170 --> 00:38:03.809
we just went to the venue. I don't even know

00:38:03.809 --> 00:38:05.150
if you remember the venue. It's called Oak Mountain

00:38:05.150 --> 00:38:07.429
Amphitheater in Pellum, Alabama. We played there

00:38:07.429 --> 00:38:11.050
a few times, but no. They actually just tore

00:38:11.050 --> 00:38:14.840
it down. Like maybe two months. Who was first?

00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:17.219
I ever counting crows, but it was at that place.

00:38:17.780 --> 00:38:19.960
We would alternate, but yeah, counting crows

00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:22.000
went first. Yeah, that's the way you have to

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.780
see it, because I saw the one where in PNC live

00:38:25.780 --> 00:38:28.300
went first, demolished it, they just rocked the

00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:30.000
whole house and then counting crows came on.

00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.679
They were great, but it was just like a almost

00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:35.159
like acoustic set, you know, like he was sitting

00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.219
there around here and all stuff. It just it was

00:38:37.219 --> 00:38:38.940
still great, but it just like it should have

00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:41.429
been the opposite. Where they came on and kind

00:38:41.429 --> 00:38:43.230
of lubed you up and then fucking live came in

00:38:43.230 --> 00:38:47.650
and really gave it to you It was it was a good

00:38:47.650 --> 00:38:49.050
night of music because counting crows had an

00:38:49.050 --> 00:38:52.389
album called hard candy that's pretty cool And

00:38:52.389 --> 00:38:55.429
so but I do I do think it was better that live

00:38:55.429 --> 00:38:59.050
that live ended it um But anyway, we were just

00:38:59.050 --> 00:39:01.889
hanging around the venue and some you know Some

00:39:01.889 --> 00:39:04.030
venue person just let us in and we went to that

00:39:04.030 --> 00:39:05.769
meet and greet and I had a had a pretty funny

00:39:05.769 --> 00:39:07.170
exchange with you chad because I didn't know

00:39:07.170 --> 00:39:11.260
what to say and uh Because after you guys came

00:39:11.260 --> 00:39:13.960
out and played two songs, you played Iris and

00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:16.599
Dolphins Cry. No, you played Dolphins Cry and

00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:19.920
Dance With You. Acoustically, right? You know,

00:39:19.940 --> 00:39:21.519
I'm a professional touring musician. You guys

00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.000
definitely looked like acoustically on four stools.

00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:25.800
You guys looked kind of like you didn't want

00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:30.070
to be doing it, which I completely get. None

00:39:30.070 --> 00:39:31.710
of us were bummed about it, but we did sort of

00:39:31.710 --> 00:39:34.429
notice it if you know who wants to go do that

00:39:34.429 --> 00:39:35.510
Especially if you're not making money. I forget

00:39:35.510 --> 00:39:38.070
why we were doing that exactly something radio

00:39:38.070 --> 00:39:41.949
stations. I whatever but anyway go sorry Well,

00:39:41.969 --> 00:39:44.849
then after you guys played the songs it was like

00:39:44.849 --> 00:39:47.070
a reception like people were just sort of standing

00:39:47.070 --> 00:39:51.510
around and You two had an album that came out

00:39:51.510 --> 00:39:53.170
all that you can't leave behind just come out.

00:39:53.170 --> 00:39:56.150
So this must have been 2000 and You were just

00:39:56.150 --> 00:39:57.570
standing there. I was standing there and I was

00:39:57.570 --> 00:40:01.280
like, hey I read somewhere that you like Larry

00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:03.440
Mullen Jr. and you were like, oh yeah, U2 is

00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:04.940
awesome. I love Larry Mullen Jr. and I was like,

00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:08.119
cool, man. I really like Larry Mullen Jr. also.

00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:14.039
Also a fan. Yeah. Just a total germy dork. I'll

00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.059
never forget that. He is one of my biggest influences.

00:40:16.340 --> 00:40:19.860
I also have a disposable... Well, yeah, you guys

00:40:19.860 --> 00:40:21.820
play so similarly and I think I just like read

00:40:21.820 --> 00:40:23.599
an interview where you were talking about him

00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:25.500
and I was like, oh, I know what I'll do. I'll

00:40:25.500 --> 00:40:28.039
talk to the drummer from live about U2's drummer.

00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.559
But it just didn't go anywhere. You know what

00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:34.340
I mean? Sorry, man. Well, Chad, that was probably

00:40:34.340 --> 00:40:36.519
like a lot of that was probably like a lot of

00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:38.579
people's thing, right? Like because they they

00:40:38.579 --> 00:40:41.099
knew you and they knew he was a big influence

00:40:41.099 --> 00:40:43.199
on you. So you might have been asked that question

00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:46.139
numerous times like, oh, do you like? Yeah, he's

00:40:46.139 --> 00:40:49.739
the only member of you two I haven't met. Nuts.

00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:53.840
Yeah, I've met Bono, The Edge and Adam Clayton

00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:57.260
a couple of times, but never met Larry. Yeah,

00:40:57.260 --> 00:40:59.719
we were supposed to open like they asked us to

00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:03.320
open for them in 94 I forget what tour they were

00:41:03.320 --> 00:41:07.000
on and we we did not we turned them down because

00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.500
Should have done it. But whatever we were doing

00:41:09.500 --> 00:41:11.360
a we had a theater tour booked and we were gonna

00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:12.980
headline with that We wanted to be a headline

00:41:12.980 --> 00:41:14.760
band. So we're like we're doing this tour, you

00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:16.639
know, we want to become a head big headliner

00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:19.059
And so in hindsight, we should have done that

00:41:19.059 --> 00:41:22.760
but Larry Turns out is the guy who basically

00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.260
picks the openers and I think we were the one

00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:27.260
of the only bands that's ever turned them down

00:41:27.260 --> 00:41:33.659
Wow, and so cut to 2022 We have a friend named

00:41:33.659 --> 00:41:36.539
Brian who is also friends with Jerry Harrison

00:41:36.539 --> 00:41:38.579
who produced our records they both live in Mill

00:41:38.579 --> 00:41:41.960
Valley and somehow they had a dinner with Larry

00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:46.219
Mullen in New York and Brian Smith says hey,

00:41:46.219 --> 00:41:47.760
I'm good friends with the guys in live. He's

00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:52.739
like, oh So he's still pissed at us. That's like,

00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:54.880
god damn it. So if I ever do meet him, I'll be

00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:57.460
happy. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. So sorry. We turned

00:41:57.460 --> 00:42:00.159
you down to open. It was a pretty big gig to

00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:05.699
try out. We belabor the choice of doing it because

00:42:05.699 --> 00:42:08.440
it was like, man, we want to do this. We were

00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.719
going to sell out theaters. It was like $2 ,000

00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:13.340
to $3 ,000. We stepped up from clubs. We were

00:42:13.340 --> 00:42:14.659
like, man, this is going to be freaking great.

00:42:14.739 --> 00:42:17.300
And then we got the offer. We're like, shit.

00:42:17.819 --> 00:42:20.699
We would love to open for YouTube. Chad, you

00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:23.900
said in hindsight, you said in hindsight you

00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:26.260
would have done it. Are you being serious with

00:42:26.260 --> 00:42:28.480
that? Because what, like, do you think it could

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.500
have changed, like, the course of live? Because

00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:36.099
that 94 tour, 95 tour had to be a big part of

00:42:36.099 --> 00:42:39.559
your guys' climb to success. Am I saying hindsight,

00:42:39.659 --> 00:42:41.059
we would have done it? Or should have done it?

00:42:41.340 --> 00:42:44.280
Yeah, you said... Well, I mean, just in the...

00:42:44.280 --> 00:42:46.199
I mean... I mean, in hindsight, we should have

00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:49.139
done it in the, in the, like, just, just to have

00:42:49.139 --> 00:42:52.219
the experience to do it. But I don't, I mean,

00:42:52.219 --> 00:42:53.940
I guess, you know, it would have been good for

00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:56.539
us as well to be in front of them. Big, you know,

00:42:56.619 --> 00:42:58.980
a big giant tour, but we also really wanted to

00:42:58.980 --> 00:43:02.900
do our own headline thing. So. Well, and also

00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:06.519
like from 94 to 99, 2000, you guys were hot.

00:43:06.820 --> 00:43:09.280
I mean, that was like, that was like the big

00:43:09.280 --> 00:43:12.079
step up for us that that theater tour in 94,

00:43:12.179 --> 00:43:14.780
we were, cause we had done. We I mean throwing

00:43:14.780 --> 00:43:18.199
copper we started in small clubs. We had we had

00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:20.960
some success for mental jewelry got MTV play

00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.340
But it hadn't it hadn't gone gold or anything

00:43:24.340 --> 00:43:26.800
mental jewelry But we would just we put out the

00:43:26.800 --> 00:43:28.340
chilling drama and we were starting to get a

00:43:28.340 --> 00:43:30.239
lot of traction and we stepped We were doing

00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.780
clubs and we went to theaters And amphitheaters

00:43:33.780 --> 00:43:36.780
and you know took that climb. It's great Do that

00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:38.679
you talking about mental jewelry just reminded

00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:40.820
me another awkward thing I said to you because

00:43:40.820 --> 00:43:43.579
I I loved the song I love the song mother earth

00:43:43.579 --> 00:43:46.340
is a vicious crowd And I was pretty proud of

00:43:46.340 --> 00:43:48.420
liking it. Yeah, pretty big deep cut and I was

00:43:48.420 --> 00:43:50.300
like I mentioned that song to you and I was like

00:43:50.300 --> 00:43:51.719
What do you think about that song and you were

00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:54.199
like, oh, it's great. It's fine. I like it It's

00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:56.940
a good life song. We put it on the album this

00:43:56.940 --> 00:44:00.619
conversation killer Yeah, yeah, I don't know

00:44:00.619 --> 00:44:03.840
what I was expecting from that. So So mental

00:44:03.840 --> 00:44:06.480
jury Yeah, so you you didn't play theaters until

00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.679
after throwing copper would already until like

00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.019
lightning crashes had already it was already

00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.019
Between like selling drama. I alone came out

00:44:14.019 --> 00:44:16.719
and then You know lightning crashes didn't come

00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:21.159
out until 95 Because we they came out like then

00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:23.860
the record took a whole year to go number one

00:44:23.860 --> 00:44:27.420
crazy lightning crashes comes out and then Wow,

00:44:27.579 --> 00:44:29.480
what was that? That was probably the spring of

00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:35.900
95 and so In April it came out April 18th, so

00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:38.380
that April 18th of 95, it's when the record went

00:44:38.380 --> 00:44:40.500
number one after coming out a year late a year

00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:42.920
before. So yeah, we were on tour for selling

00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:45.199
drama and probably I alone was coming out when

00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:48.460
we were doing that theater tour. Are you guys

00:44:48.460 --> 00:44:51.300
the only like or like I think that's some sort

00:44:51.300 --> 00:44:56.079
of a record to be on the charts for it was it

00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.800
was the longest, the longest it ever took for

00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:00.679
a record to go number one by being on a chart.

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.340
But I think Cheryl Crowe broke the record or

00:45:03.340 --> 00:45:06.289
whatever, whatever it was. Yeah. That's what

00:45:06.289 --> 00:45:11.050
Was was was lightning crashes with did that immediately

00:45:11.050 --> 00:45:13.190
take you guys to arena? Well, we did amphitheaters

00:45:13.190 --> 00:45:17.489
that summer in summer 95 we I remember we were

00:45:17.489 --> 00:45:20.710
playing this acoustic gig in probably February

00:45:20.710 --> 00:45:25.269
of 95 for the record company out in LA and Lightning

00:45:25.269 --> 00:45:27.369
crashes was just about to come out. We had made

00:45:27.369 --> 00:45:31.050
the video and the I forget the Richard Palamese.

00:45:31.150 --> 00:45:33.230
I think was the president of MCA at that time

00:45:33.230 --> 00:45:35.869
which became Universal. And he comes over to

00:45:35.869 --> 00:45:37.309
us and we're sitting, we're all standing around

00:45:37.309 --> 00:45:40.949
this table and he's like, all right, boys, you'll

00:45:40.949 --> 00:45:42.869
be buying houses soon. And we're just like looking

00:45:42.869 --> 00:45:44.849
at like, yeah, whatever. Okay. Whatever you say,

00:45:44.949 --> 00:45:49.710
dude. And I mean, he was right because when that

00:45:49.710 --> 00:45:52.949
song came out and, uh, you know, we, all of a

00:45:52.949 --> 00:45:54.510
sudden we were in amphitheaters and we're like,

00:45:54.570 --> 00:45:57.070
Holy shit, this was crazy. We were, we were one

00:45:57.070 --> 00:45:59.150
of the first bands to sell every ticket in the

00:45:59.150 --> 00:46:03.300
world theater in Chicago. Wow. We sold the whole

00:46:03.300 --> 00:46:06.340
place out. They were like, you're the only bands

00:46:06.340 --> 00:46:08.199
that ever do that. Every ticket was sold. We're

00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:10.239
like, what? Come on. A lot of big bands have

00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:12.659
played here, but whatever. Clint, I want to ask

00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:16.400
you something. And don't just agree with me because

00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:21.159
we're on with Chad and he was in live. Have you

00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.000
found, as a person who's a fan of music, going

00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.119
to concerts and stuff like that, there's a difference

00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.769
between like people who consider live their favorite

00:46:29.769 --> 00:46:32.010
band and then people who consider like other

00:46:32.010 --> 00:46:34.409
bands their favorite band. Like I feel like there's

00:46:34.409 --> 00:46:38.230
some thing with a live fan like with when they

00:46:38.230 --> 00:46:39.449
consider them their favorite band where there's

00:46:39.449 --> 00:46:41.989
like the passion is there and there's like no

00:46:41.989 --> 00:46:44.949
coming in between that is what I've gotten from

00:46:44.949 --> 00:46:47.989
a lot of fans that I've come into contact with.

00:46:48.309 --> 00:46:51.690
Is this a crazy thought I have or do you see

00:46:51.690 --> 00:46:56.110
something similar? No, no, there's definitely

00:46:56.769 --> 00:46:58.730
No, there's a there's a point where there's no

00:46:58.730 --> 00:47:01.690
casual I think well I've had a bunch of big hits

00:47:01.690 --> 00:47:04.170
right so that's gonna get and Played a bunch

00:47:04.170 --> 00:47:06.230
played Woodstock and all this and was on MTV.

00:47:06.289 --> 00:47:08.909
So you're gonna get those people Then I guess

00:47:08.909 --> 00:47:10.690
maybe live was even lumped in with grunge and

00:47:10.690 --> 00:47:12.690
which I don't really see it that way But the

00:47:12.690 --> 00:47:14.289
thing about that I love about live is it was

00:47:14.289 --> 00:47:16.650
actually really deep shit It was like very I

00:47:16.650 --> 00:47:19.429
would put it more in the REM you too ish And

00:47:19.429 --> 00:47:21.769
I am a big fan so I'm gonna be biased here But

00:47:21.769 --> 00:47:23.349
I think if you were tapping into that if you

00:47:23.349 --> 00:47:26.409
were listening to gas head goes west and pondering

00:47:26.409 --> 00:47:29.449
that You're going deeper into that thing. You

00:47:29.449 --> 00:47:31.289
know what I mean? Like I also think the records

00:47:31.289 --> 00:47:33.730
got a little stranger Well at least secret somebody

00:47:33.730 --> 00:47:35.789
I felt like was a little stranger. So you probably

00:47:35.789 --> 00:47:38.760
lost casuals there, too Although, some pretty

00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:40.320
big hits on that record, too. I mean, I don't

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:42.539
know. It's hard to say, but I have found that

00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:46.699
if I say Mother Riff is a vicious crowd and you

00:47:46.699 --> 00:47:48.579
know what I'm talking about, you're extremely

00:47:48.579 --> 00:47:51.480
passionate about it for sure. If you know what

00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.780
death of a dictionary is, then you've gone deep.

00:47:54.099 --> 00:47:55.980
And if you're the kind of person that goes deep

00:47:55.980 --> 00:47:58.039
into music, which I always have been, I dive

00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.920
really deep into anything that I love, then yeah,

00:48:00.980 --> 00:48:01.260
you're going to be a passionate, special person.

00:48:01.260 --> 00:48:03.000
So they're going deep enough is what you're saying.

00:48:03.000 --> 00:48:07.610
I got you. Exactly. With a swatch. My favorite.

00:48:08.730 --> 00:48:11.010
I mean, I love that record. My favorite gay lyric

00:48:11.010 --> 00:48:16.630
off that record. You ready? Mm hmm. Wait. Oh,

00:48:16.789 --> 00:48:18.889
something about fucking going to Jimmy Buffett

00:48:18.889 --> 00:48:22.570
with your dad. Yes. He's rapping it. Yeah. Yeah.

00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:26.820
Go to Jimmy Buffett with your dad. That's He

00:48:26.820 --> 00:48:28.460
talks about what and he knew what he says in

00:48:28.460 --> 00:48:30.420
that song. This is even me as a deep hardcore

00:48:30.420 --> 00:48:31.980
life. I was like, what is he saying? He said

00:48:31.980 --> 00:48:34.300
with live it's game seven. Yeah, that's right.

00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:41.820
Yeah, NBA. What is what is that song? Transmit

00:48:41.820 --> 00:48:44.940
your love. Yes. Oh, transmit your love. Yes,

00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.619
transmit your love. He says he says bow bow everybody

00:48:47.619 --> 00:48:51.179
in the hotel. The bow bow. So what's funny about

00:48:51.179 --> 00:48:56.000
that is so we ignite around 99. Ed went to Chad

00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:57.239
and said I don't want to write to your ideas

00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:00.840
anymore Because he was you know Chad would say

00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:04.639
hey, I wrote that song Maybe mistakenly say I

00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:06.780
wrote that song but he what he meant was he wrote

00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:09.179
the riff that became that song He'd so he'd say

00:49:09.179 --> 00:49:10.820
that in the press and that pissed Ed off all

00:49:10.820 --> 00:49:13.179
the time and instead of like talking about it

00:49:13.179 --> 00:49:16.239
as men They just all that would just let it fester

00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.019
and so to the point got to the point where I

00:49:18.019 --> 00:49:20.780
was like I'm not writing with you anymore Okay

00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:22.659
So that changed the whole dynamic of the band.

00:49:22.900 --> 00:49:25.699
And that's, and that's how five was born. Like

00:49:25.699 --> 00:49:28.760
that was just, Ed wrote all these songs. I was

00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:31.659
in LA. He was in LA. He's like, come, come to

00:49:31.659 --> 00:49:33.780
the studio. I'm cutting some stuff. I'm like,

00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.659
okay, cool. I go over there and I didn't really

00:49:36.659 --> 00:49:38.719
know about this conversation that Chad and Ed

00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:41.840
had. I just knew something was going on between

00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.079
them too. So I started playing drums to these

00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.719
songs and I was like, okay, this is, I mean,

00:49:47.820 --> 00:49:49.420
some of them are cool and some are all right,

00:49:49.420 --> 00:49:51.800
whatever. And then we had Chad and Patrick come

00:49:51.800 --> 00:49:53.699
out and they played and we thought it was going

00:49:53.699 --> 00:49:55.860
to be demos at first. And then they made, it

00:49:55.860 --> 00:49:57.679
was like, no, this is the record. Like, okay.

00:49:58.119 --> 00:50:01.659
And then we made, uh, birds of prey and then,

00:50:01.659 --> 00:50:03.320
you know, songs from Ed's mountain. That was

00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:05.559
like, that was just like, come in and be studio

00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.539
musicians. Cause he hears the songs. You have

00:50:07.539 --> 00:50:10.619
no input. Like, okay. Oh, wait, so Chad, the

00:50:10.619 --> 00:50:13.159
first time you played to the songs on five, you

00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:15.619
thought like, bit like these were just demo songs.

00:50:15.619 --> 00:50:17.599
And then like you guys would basically eventually

00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:19.739
be in the room kind of right in the album together.

00:50:19.940 --> 00:50:24.260
Wow. We did get in a room in Nashville. Actually,

00:50:24.260 --> 00:50:25.840
we rented a studio and wrote some of the songs

00:50:25.840 --> 00:50:29.860
that are on Birds of Prey, like lighthouse, lighthouse,

00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:33.119
which ones she had, because that's a rock and

00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.460
one is she back and listen to them. I forget

00:50:36.460 --> 00:50:41.510
some of the titles. My My favorite live record

00:50:41.510 --> 00:50:43.829
for a very long time was Distance to Hear. And

00:50:43.829 --> 00:50:47.510
I remember when I got five and I would try to

00:50:47.510 --> 00:50:51.210
locate any DNA from the Distance to Hear on the

00:50:51.210 --> 00:50:53.530
new record and could not find, maybe in the song

00:50:53.530 --> 00:50:55.510
The Ride, there was a little bit of like kind

00:50:55.510 --> 00:50:58.610
of a classic live thing. But I remember when

00:50:58.610 --> 00:51:01.090
I heard Birds of Prey, this is back at a Coconuts

00:51:01.090 --> 00:51:03.150
when you could listen to the CD at the listening

00:51:03.150 --> 00:51:05.289
station before you bought it. And I was checking

00:51:05.289 --> 00:51:07.960
out the new live CD. Did not like the song heaven.

00:51:08.260 --> 00:51:09.980
I do kind of like it now. I've had a kid and

00:51:09.980 --> 00:51:12.239
shit, but did not like it at the time. But I

00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:13.880
heard the song she and I was like, oh, this sounds

00:51:13.880 --> 00:51:15.300
like this is to hear and bought it immediately.

00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:17.920
And they did that clever. They put that as like

00:51:17.920 --> 00:51:20.039
the second song on the record. So you're like,

00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:22.099
all right, they're giving me a lot in the beginning.

00:51:22.099 --> 00:51:23.980
And then this next song is rocking like, all

00:51:23.980 --> 00:51:25.900
right, cool. We're going we're in for a treat.

00:51:26.519 --> 00:51:27.840
One thing I want to say about transmit your love.

00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:31.840
That song is banging despite the lyrics and it

00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.820
like it's the band in there that really makes

00:51:33.820 --> 00:51:37.349
that song fucking. tick because I want to love

00:51:37.349 --> 00:51:39.110
it. But it's just like when I'm singing along,

00:51:39.190 --> 00:51:41.469
I'm like, oh, I cringe, like saying some of the

00:51:41.469 --> 00:51:43.829
lyrics, you know what I'm saying? But I want

00:51:43.829 --> 00:51:48.030
to love it. Yeah, I don't play that one in the

00:51:48.030 --> 00:51:50.610
car loud driving through Nashville, but I know

00:51:50.610 --> 00:51:52.809
every second of the record and I really and then

00:51:52.809 --> 00:51:55.309
overcome was a huge hit. But that was later,

00:51:55.510 --> 00:51:58.610
right? I love this over. Well, I mean, that that

00:51:58.610 --> 00:52:02.329
became a hit because of 9 -11 like. that all

00:52:02.329 --> 00:52:05.010
these radio stations just simultaneously started

00:52:05.010 --> 00:52:07.750
playing that song somehow. We're just like, what

00:52:07.750 --> 00:52:09.889
the fuck is going on? We tried to scramble with

00:52:09.889 --> 00:52:12.929
the record company. We had three great opportunities

00:52:12.929 --> 00:52:15.849
on five to blow up that record and make it do

00:52:15.849 --> 00:52:18.849
much better than it did. One was deep enough.

00:52:18.889 --> 00:52:23.829
It was going to be in the first Fast and Furious.

00:52:24.030 --> 00:52:26.469
Yeah. and it's in it's in the movie credits apparently

00:52:26.469 --> 00:52:29.010
at the end i don't know but we were we were going

00:52:29.010 --> 00:52:30.710
to make a video with the director and do all

00:52:30.710 --> 00:52:32.349
this shit and the company said nah we're not

00:52:32.349 --> 00:52:35.010
doing that we're like are you serious and then

00:52:35.010 --> 00:52:38.110
we had a song uh what's the song forever might

00:52:38.110 --> 00:52:41.090
not might not be long enough in the mummy yeah

00:52:41.090 --> 00:52:44.070
yeah was that the glenn yeah glenn ballard that

00:52:44.070 --> 00:52:52.880
was one edward was yeah ballard I'm a huge Alanis

00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:54.900
Morissette fan. That's how I actually met Gigi.

00:52:55.059 --> 00:52:56.659
He was touring with them last summer, but Glenn

00:52:56.659 --> 00:52:58.760
Ballard did all the little hill stuff. Pretty

00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:00.559
big Glenn Ballard. And he did a Dave Matthews

00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.360
album like a lot too, called Every Day. I'm not

00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:04.099
saying anything away from Glenn Ballard, but

00:53:04.099 --> 00:53:07.239
it was just Ed and Glenn, and we were like the

00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:08.659
fucking side musicians. We might as well have

00:53:08.659 --> 00:53:10.539
just been fucking three yahoos that he brought

00:53:10.539 --> 00:53:13.650
in to do the session. We're just like... I think

00:53:13.650 --> 00:53:17.110
that's his MO. He did that with Dave Matthews

00:53:17.110 --> 00:53:19.449
band every day. And if you listen to that band,

00:53:19.630 --> 00:53:22.670
Chad, it's a complete departure from what they

00:53:22.670 --> 00:53:25.329
did before. And he did exactly what you just

00:53:25.329 --> 00:53:28.010
said. Him and Dave wrote the songs and then they

00:53:28.010 --> 00:53:29.769
handed the musicians and Dave Matthews band,

00:53:29.769 --> 00:53:32.829
this is what you're playing. Right. So it's...

00:53:32.829 --> 00:53:35.170
Yeah, they basically mapped all the parts out

00:53:35.170 --> 00:53:37.650
like through MIDI, you know, VSTs and then they

00:53:37.650 --> 00:53:39.679
were like... play this exactly. They told me

00:53:39.679 --> 00:53:43.539
this exactly. Well, at the time, we were not

00:53:43.539 --> 00:53:45.199
very happy about that. But anyway, that was supposed

00:53:45.199 --> 00:53:47.840
to be we were supposed to the rec company, again,

00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.000
would not support that as like a track from the

00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:53.480
rec from the from the movie. And we made a video

00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:56.480
for it. But like, they wouldn't promote it. And

00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:59.119
then overcome happened with 911. We're just like,

00:53:59.139 --> 00:54:02.099
Okay, guess rec company doesn't give a shit about

00:54:02.099 --> 00:54:05.300
us on this record. Now, I think, Chad, because

00:54:05.300 --> 00:54:07.179
when that happened, like you said, everybody

00:54:07.179 --> 00:54:10.360
and their mother, like radio stations, MTV, VH1

00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:13.500
all started playing Overcome and the video behind

00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:16.139
it and stuff like that. I'm wondering if you're

00:54:16.139 --> 00:54:17.960
part of the propaganda machine. Like, how did

00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.320
you get your song all over everywhere so quick?

00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.199
I'm in the Illuminati, dude. Yeah. You hear this,

00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:28.079
Clint? I heard it here. This is a corn story.

00:54:28.539 --> 00:54:32.329
And Chad Gracie is part of the Illuminati. Do

00:54:32.329 --> 00:54:34.909
you think the label was trying to sabotage the

00:54:34.909 --> 00:54:40.110
record? I think it was that classic, the regime

00:54:40.110 --> 00:54:42.889
that was there when you were doing well had all

00:54:42.889 --> 00:54:45.829
departed and you're just some band that no one

00:54:45.829 --> 00:54:50.230
signed that's there now. We weren't at that point

00:54:50.230 --> 00:54:54.570
not big enough to warrant the full push of the

00:54:54.570 --> 00:54:56.190
label, even though it was a whole new regime.

00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:00.139
Big at that point, but not big enough for them

00:55:00.139 --> 00:55:02.320
to go. Let's put a lot of rec a lot of money

00:55:02.320 --> 00:55:05.619
behind this They were off to whatever new band

00:55:05.619 --> 00:55:08.059
was on their label Meanwhile, you're playing

00:55:08.059 --> 00:55:10.360
it. Sorry. Well, I was actually gonna ask that

00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.639
exact thing John like what what were the shows

00:55:12.639 --> 00:55:16.199
like post -distance to here? Which I saw you

00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:18.019
guys in an amphitheater. What were the shows

00:55:18.019 --> 00:55:20.679
like through five and Birds of Prey? Were you

00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.320
guys still playing? amphitheaters were you noticing

00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:25.539
tickets where tickets reflecting the sort of

00:55:25.539 --> 00:55:30.599
change and the power of the records? We were

00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.739
playing smaller places. I mean, I think I forget

00:55:32.739 --> 00:55:36.039
what we did for five in America, but still overseas.

00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.000
They were doing amphitheaters and shit as far

00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.360
as doing arenas and stuff in Europe and Australia.

00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.099
But was that a combo you guys would have even

00:55:44.099 --> 00:55:47.800
had as a band like like tracking how the records

00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:49.480
resonating with the fan base? And are we making

00:55:49.480 --> 00:55:51.500
new fans? Are we still selling out the same rooms?

00:55:51.500 --> 00:55:54.119
Was that something that you guys would even talk

00:55:54.119 --> 00:55:56.369
about? We would not have conversations about

00:55:56.369 --> 00:55:58.989
that. We should have, but no, we wouldn't. Were

00:55:58.989 --> 00:56:02.889
you guys traveling in four separate buses? We

00:56:02.889 --> 00:56:07.929
had three buses on this is to here. And I think

00:56:07.929 --> 00:56:09.869
we had two buses on. No, we weren't traveling

00:56:09.869 --> 00:56:14.170
separately in five. Well, when I was when I met

00:56:14.170 --> 00:56:18.210
you at that Counting Crows gig was just. Oh,

00:56:18.329 --> 00:56:20.550
separate buses for sure that gig. Oh, no, no.

00:56:20.809 --> 00:56:22.789
Ed and Chad had a bus and Patrick and I shared

00:56:22.789 --> 00:56:28.719
a bus. And the bus pulled up. Okay, we got a

00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.960
little bit of this. I had no idea. Now I live

00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:38.219
on a bus, but right. Can you hear me now? Sort

00:56:38.219 --> 00:56:44.380
of hear me now. Yeah. Is it working now? Working

00:56:44.380 --> 00:56:47.920
now. We can hear you, but your little. Well,

00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:51.119
I saw a bus pull into the venue and I was like,

00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:52.860
oh, that's the band. The bands here on the bus.

00:56:52.920 --> 00:56:55.019
And then another bus came and then another bus

00:56:55.019 --> 00:56:57.539
came. And I remember talking to all these buses

00:56:57.539 --> 00:56:59.559
and they were like, oh, yeah, they don't. It

00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:02.000
was like some grizzled, grumpy, jaded person.

00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:04.739
They're like, oh, yeah, they don't hang out there.

00:57:04.739 --> 00:57:06.219
They travel separately or so. It was like one

00:57:06.219 --> 00:57:08.500
of the first times I ever heard. I ever thought

00:57:08.500 --> 00:57:12.239
about that, that I imagined a band not sliding

00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.880
down the fire pole together, living in a house,

00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.739
you know, like Beatles, you know. Well, yeah,

00:57:17.860 --> 00:57:22.260
that's where both Chad had. kids and he brought

00:57:22.260 --> 00:57:24.340
them with him. So he wanted his own bus. And

00:57:24.340 --> 00:57:27.300
I think did Ed have, Ed brought his, I think

00:57:27.300 --> 00:57:30.079
Ed had a kid then. So he wanted his own bus.

00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:32.099
And then Patrick and I shared a bus because we

00:57:32.099 --> 00:57:34.380
didn't have, we didn't have, I didn't have, I

00:57:34.380 --> 00:57:35.920
definitely didn't have any kids. And you were

00:57:35.920 --> 00:57:38.679
single. You didn't have kids then either. Yeah,

00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:42.179
I was single on that tour. Him and Adam Duritz

00:57:42.179 --> 00:57:44.980
would have a little, you know, camaraderie after

00:57:44.980 --> 00:57:47.559
the shows, party it up a bit. Sure. That was

00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:53.469
fun. He's such a he's got no he like he doesn't

00:57:53.469 --> 00:57:56.650
realize how cool he is or, you know, how you

00:57:56.650 --> 00:57:59.929
know, banging is no biggie. Just drinking some

00:57:59.929 --> 00:58:02.269
drinks with Mr. Adam Duritz, parting it up after

00:58:02.269 --> 00:58:06.070
our sold out show, you know, normal stuff. That's

00:58:06.070 --> 00:58:11.349
fun. So Clint, so you said you're 41. Is that

00:58:11.349 --> 00:58:14.329
is that the ultimate goal here is you become

00:58:14.329 --> 00:58:17.840
friends with accounting crows, guys? Yeah, we

00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:19.659
were pretty pretty close to along that tour.

00:58:19.739 --> 00:58:21.880
I mean don't talk to him now But yeah, we had

00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.679
fun with them and we were hanging out a lot So

00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:28.480
yeah major lag here. Ah Sorry, all good. You

00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:30.619
know all good. That's the beauty of the live

00:58:30.619 --> 00:58:33.320
show. Sometimes we get some laggy stuff here,

00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:36.599
but when the guest is on Talk over me because

00:58:36.599 --> 00:58:39.300
I have a blabbermouth. So anything you could

00:58:39.300 --> 00:58:41.980
just go and complete what you were saying because

00:58:41.980 --> 00:58:45.380
we had some lag, but Go ahead Clint whatever

00:58:45.500 --> 00:58:51.940
You want to do, say anything? Maybe we're having

00:58:51.940 --> 00:58:54.420
crazy. Oh, I think you were asking a question,

00:58:54.659 --> 00:58:56.719
actually. Oh, yeah. So getting back to that.

00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:59.219
So I said you're forty one and I know that you

00:58:59.219 --> 00:59:01.619
do the music and the podcast thing. Is that the

00:59:01.619 --> 00:59:04.920
ultimate goal is to just use your creative brain

00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:13.880
to kind of navigate through life? I mean, I guess

00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:16.380
the ultimate goal is just to keep making a living,

00:59:16.900 --> 00:59:20.619
making music, supporting my family, trying to

00:59:20.619 --> 00:59:23.320
get off the road, you know? I mean, I like touring.

00:59:23.420 --> 00:59:25.139
I've just been doing it for so long. I produced

00:59:25.139 --> 00:59:27.579
Morgan's last two albums. One already came out.

00:59:27.579 --> 00:59:30.900
One's about to come out this summer. And so that

00:59:30.900 --> 00:59:33.280
was good, producing a major label record. That's

00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:34.900
kind of opened some doors for me to produce more

00:59:34.900 --> 00:59:37.139
stuff in Nashville. I mean, you know, I've got

00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:39.420
a 10 -year -old. I like being home with my family,

00:59:39.579 --> 00:59:44.360
big family guy. Yeah. But I don't really have

00:59:44.360 --> 00:59:46.579
anything to pivot to at this point. So yeah,

00:59:46.579 --> 00:59:49.059
the goal is to definitely keep making music for

00:59:49.059 --> 00:59:51.400
sure I mean robots are gonna be doing it all

00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.199
here very shortly But I intend to make as much

00:59:55.199 --> 00:59:59.579
money as I can Until then for sure and so how?

01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:03.420
I'm not totally familiar with Morgan, but I went

01:00:03.420 --> 01:00:05.480
back and checked out some of your music me. She's

01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:10.199
a beautiful amazing singer She country strictly

01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.969
is that that's what she does Just country music.

01:00:14.829 --> 01:00:16.829
It's really, I mean, that's what that's what

01:00:16.829 --> 01:00:21.070
Sony put us in for when her debut album came

01:00:21.070 --> 01:00:22.909
out and she had a big hit on it called Wilder

01:00:22.909 --> 01:00:24.510
Days. And I think they were trying that, but

01:00:24.510 --> 01:00:27.369
we're not really like that. I mean. It's really

01:00:27.369 --> 01:00:29.429
more of like, if it is country, it's more of

01:00:29.429 --> 01:00:32.110
the Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, Chris Stapletons.

01:00:32.929 --> 01:00:35.090
Her first record was produced by Jason's guitar

01:00:35.090 --> 01:00:36.829
player, Sather Vaden, who's very close with all

01:00:36.829 --> 01:00:39.489
of us. It's really more of a wallflower Sheryl

01:00:39.489 --> 01:00:41.030
Crow thing. So I don't think anyone's going to

01:00:41.030 --> 01:00:44.010
call Sheryl Crow country, but it does have a

01:00:44.010 --> 01:00:46.570
twang in it. You know, it's more of like an alternative

01:00:46.570 --> 01:00:49.469
kind of Americana thing. So we toured last summer

01:00:49.469 --> 01:00:52.429
with Alanis and Joan Jett. We're touring this

01:00:52.429 --> 01:00:55.110
summer with Shinedown and Bush. And the record

01:00:55.110 --> 01:00:57.110
we just made is kind of more of a rock record.

01:00:57.309 --> 01:00:59.869
So I think I guess it's country music, but not

01:00:59.869 --> 01:01:02.610
really. You know, it's an annoying answer. I'm

01:01:02.610 --> 01:01:07.449
not sorry. I mean, country music is a broad category

01:01:07.449 --> 01:01:11.670
now. Yeah. Beyonce is the Grammy winner of country

01:01:11.670 --> 01:01:14.329
music now. So I don't know what Post Malone is

01:01:14.329 --> 01:01:16.769
doing it now. You know, everyone's making a fucking

01:01:16.769 --> 01:01:18.869
country album now. It makes me want to pull my

01:01:18.869 --> 01:01:22.840
hair out and move on. I hear that. Yeah. So,

01:01:23.099 --> 01:01:24.619
she has a record coming out this summer, you

01:01:24.619 --> 01:01:28.519
said? She have a single out yet? Yeah. We put

01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:30.079
out a single called East Coast while we were

01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.039
just, we just finished like a club and theater

01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:33.559
headlining tour. So yeah, it was a single out

01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.619
called East Coast. I think the record comes out

01:01:35.619 --> 01:01:37.280
in August while we're out with Shinedown and

01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:39.280
Bush. So you're playing fucking banging gigs

01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.500
like Joan Jett and Alanis Morissette fucking

01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:43.500
shows and Shinedown and Bush shows and you're

01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:47.150
getting sick of the road, dude? You gotta be

01:01:47.150 --> 01:01:48.969
on the road in a long time. You gotta be away

01:01:48.969 --> 01:01:52.329
from the family I get it, but this sounds like

01:01:52.329 --> 01:01:56.050
you know, you'll never be happy or something

01:01:56.050 --> 01:01:59.510
because Well, that's what makes you a great musician.

01:01:59.690 --> 01:02:03.090
Maybe that's why we're musicians I mean the thing

01:02:03.090 --> 01:02:05.110
that I'm really looking forward to is we're playing

01:02:05.110 --> 01:02:07.130
every basketball arena in the country and a big

01:02:07.130 --> 01:02:09.630
basketball fan so excited about that and the

01:02:09.630 --> 01:02:12.190
guys that you know our crew and our team are

01:02:12.190 --> 01:02:14.130
good people to be with there's some other family

01:02:14.130 --> 01:02:17.539
people with us and But you know, Chad knows this.

01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:21.400
Like, I've been to Boston 50 times. I don't leave

01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:23.039
my hotel room anymore. You know what I mean?

01:02:23.320 --> 01:02:27.659
I don't really do drugs. I drink, but I'm slowing

01:02:27.659 --> 01:02:30.760
down on that because I'm getting old. And I really

01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:32.440
just want to watch basketball and be with my

01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.780
family. But you are right, John. I mean, I don't

01:02:34.780 --> 01:02:36.559
want to take it for granted. It's nice to be

01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:39.400
able to. I mean, shit, we just went to Cape Town,

01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.460
South Africa for gigs. We were in Australia last

01:02:42.460 --> 01:02:45.480
year. We just did a We just did like a 10 day

01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:47.559
European run where we sold out a bunch of theaters

01:02:47.559 --> 01:02:50.199
over there. It's definitely more fun doing our

01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.360
own shows. When we're opening for people, you

01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.860
know, they give you 35 minutes. You're done by

01:02:54.860 --> 01:02:56.219
eight o 'clock and then you're just wandering

01:02:56.219 --> 01:02:58.880
around the tunnels of an arena being like, what

01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:00.260
the fuck am I going to do? And I'm trying not

01:03:00.260 --> 01:03:04.619
to drink all night. So the Atlantis room is fun

01:03:04.619 --> 01:03:06.659
because I'm such a big fan that I just went out

01:03:06.659 --> 01:03:08.400
and watched almost every show, which I never

01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:12.219
do. I watched like 28 shows because. The band

01:03:12.219 --> 01:03:14.900
was just so good. And she was so good. And the

01:03:14.900 --> 01:03:17.079
shows were so fun. And obviously watching Joan,

01:03:17.320 --> 01:03:20.639
too. I mean, legend got to do a 35 day tour.

01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:23.679
Yeah, man. And she would she would always we

01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:25.219
always have the dressing room. People would come

01:03:25.219 --> 01:03:27.780
seek out because all of our everyone in our camp

01:03:27.780 --> 01:03:30.219
so chill. But she'd come out and find us on,

01:03:30.219 --> 01:03:32.199
you know, balcony and smoke a joint. You know,

01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:34.739
you're like, oh, my God, fucking Joan Jets out

01:03:34.739 --> 01:03:37.019
here. That sounds like a better girl tour than

01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:39.340
the fucking Lilith Fair tour back in the day.

01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:42.719
Remember that little? They, oh yeah, they called

01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:44.780
it the triple moon tour because it was Alanis,

01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.380
Joan, and Morgan. Alanis had this vision of it

01:03:47.380 --> 01:03:51.420
was a sort of cool, witchy, female -driven, the

01:03:51.420 --> 01:03:56.960
three moons. Joan representing the wise sage

01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:00.280
battle. Alanis being sort of middle period and

01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:02.320
then Morgan being kind of the future or whatever.

01:04:03.610 --> 01:04:05.989
That tour was fun. So then John back to what

01:04:05.989 --> 01:04:07.789
you're saying about, you know, oh you're you're

01:04:07.789 --> 01:04:10.429
on tour like it's got to be cool It's like no,

01:04:10.670 --> 01:04:13.409
I mean it is cool and it's fun. But at some point

01:04:13.409 --> 01:04:15.929
you're on the road with those people You see

01:04:15.929 --> 01:04:19.849
Gavin Gavin Ross still every day You watch the

01:04:19.849 --> 01:04:22.989
show You go to the city that you've been to multiple

01:04:22.989 --> 01:04:25.030
times like you've done every tourist thing in

01:04:25.030 --> 01:04:27.090
those cities You're just you're just like okay.

01:04:27.090 --> 01:04:30.150
I'd rather be fucking home with my kids. Yeah,

01:04:30.269 --> 01:04:35.480
exactly where I was But, I mean, it's like you're

01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:37.900
blessed to do it and you love doing it, but also

01:04:37.900 --> 01:04:40.039
the travel is just a pain in the fucking ass.

01:04:40.539 --> 01:04:42.760
Right. And it is a job. You know what I'm saying?

01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:45.539
You are going city to city. There's travel involved.

01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.920
It's tiring. You're fucking performing. It takes

01:04:47.920 --> 01:04:49.760
a lot out of you. I totally get it. I'm just

01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:52.940
saying, like, you know, there's, I guess, worse

01:04:52.940 --> 01:04:55.059
problems to have. Well, there's definitely worse

01:04:55.059 --> 01:04:56.539
problems. There's definitely worse jobs, worse

01:04:56.539 --> 01:04:59.139
problems to have. That is true. But the show,

01:04:59.440 --> 01:05:01.099
it's always great to do the shows. It's just

01:05:01.099 --> 01:05:03.519
the getting to the shows and after the show.

01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:07.760
Yeah. Well, we always say that the show is 90

01:05:07.760 --> 01:05:10.719
minutes of, you know, out of a 24 hour day. It's

01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.119
every else. You know, that's really what you

01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.340
get paid for. It's like and the thing about arenas

01:05:16.340 --> 01:05:18.679
is a lot of times sometimes an arena is right

01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:20.239
in the middle of the city. But a lot of times

01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:22.760
they're a little outside. Oh, yeah. So if you're

01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:24.760
playing like we do clubs and theaters when we

01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:26.420
do our own shows and those are so fun because

01:05:26.750 --> 01:05:28.369
you're playing the Moore Theater in Seattle,

01:05:28.670 --> 01:05:30.489
you're in the middle of everything. You can walk

01:05:30.489 --> 01:05:32.269
right out and go to the public market, whatever

01:05:32.269 --> 01:05:34.170
the fuck. We're playing Webster Hall in New York

01:05:34.170 --> 01:05:36.530
or the Beacon in New York. We're a train ride

01:05:36.530 --> 01:05:39.550
away from anything. These arenas, you're just

01:05:39.550 --> 01:05:43.110
sort of tucked away. It's hard to get out. And

01:05:43.110 --> 01:05:44.510
because we're first of three, we don't really

01:05:44.510 --> 01:05:47.409
get as many, you know, we don't have runners.

01:05:47.969 --> 01:05:50.940
It's hard to get out of them sometimes. you know.

01:05:51.159 --> 01:05:53.019
Well, then throw in an amphitheater. It does

01:05:53.019 --> 01:05:54.400
sound like I'm being a little bitch about it.

01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:55.920
Amphitheaters are even worse. Yeah, for sure.

01:05:56.019 --> 01:05:57.860
Amphitheaters are always outside of town. You're

01:05:57.860 --> 01:05:59.360
just like in the middle of fricking nowhere.

01:06:00.139 --> 01:06:03.960
The most important question of the evening, Morgan

01:06:03.960 --> 01:06:08.099
Clint, is Morgan single and ready to mingle?

01:06:11.519 --> 01:06:15.260
I don't know much about her love life. I'll let

01:06:15.260 --> 01:06:18.539
that be that I don't know. You know, she's interesting

01:06:18.539 --> 01:06:21.630
because she's a very She's a very private lady.

01:06:21.989 --> 01:06:24.590
You know, I live on a bus with her, but she's

01:06:24.590 --> 01:06:28.630
pretty locked up. She's a sober person, but she's

01:06:28.630 --> 01:06:31.610
not annoying about it. She's on her own journey.

01:06:31.610 --> 01:06:34.070
She doesn't preach to people, and she's really

01:06:34.070 --> 01:06:37.989
into fitness. So she's up every night. This is

01:06:37.989 --> 01:06:39.489
pretty weird, Chad. You'll appreciate this. I

01:06:39.489 --> 01:06:41.530
don't know how we find drivers who do this, but

01:06:41.530 --> 01:06:44.510
she works out at like 4 a .m. every day. So the

01:06:44.510 --> 01:06:47.289
bus usually rolls at like one. from whatever

01:06:47.289 --> 01:06:50.070
we're doing. So the bus driver stops at a gym

01:06:50.070 --> 01:06:51.789
on the way to wherever we're going. Our tour

01:06:51.789 --> 01:06:53.849
manager maps all this out for her. She gets out,

01:06:53.869 --> 01:06:56.530
works out for an hour. Bus driver just lays in

01:06:56.530 --> 01:06:59.489
a bunk or does whatever. Every single day, she

01:06:59.489 --> 01:07:02.369
stops at like 4 a .m. to work out. That's commitment

01:07:02.369 --> 01:07:04.809
right there. Yeah. Let me tell you what this

01:07:04.809 --> 01:07:08.590
podcast has done for me and to me. So I've had

01:07:08.590 --> 01:07:11.269
this thing in my brain like, oh, rock stars are

01:07:11.269 --> 01:07:14.429
just living the life, man shows over their party

01:07:14.429 --> 01:07:18.130
in this is going on. And now everybody I talk

01:07:18.130 --> 01:07:20.750
to, it's like, well, no, kind of after the show,

01:07:20.869 --> 01:07:23.750
I just go and fuck in. But I'm like, what? This

01:07:23.750 --> 01:07:26.269
whole thing like where are the Led Zeppelin's

01:07:26.269 --> 01:07:29.250
and the fucking of the of the of the world? Now

01:07:29.250 --> 01:07:31.809
it is canceled. Yeah, that's true. That's true.

01:07:32.429 --> 01:07:35.010
You. No, I mean, everything's recorded now. Everything's

01:07:35.010 --> 01:07:37.190
visible. And believe me, in my 20s, I'm sure

01:07:37.190 --> 01:07:40.449
Chad did too. I had some ring a ding tours there.

01:07:40.590 --> 01:07:45.469
I used to call them the Caligula tours. And once

01:07:45.469 --> 01:07:47.969
every two weeks, I'll have a Caligula type evening,

01:07:48.070 --> 01:07:50.230
just meaning I'll just drink a lot and stay up

01:07:50.230 --> 01:07:53.769
late with people. Not actual Caligula shit. But

01:07:53.769 --> 01:07:56.909
yeah, mostly it's just trying to get rest and

01:07:56.909 --> 01:07:59.110
get sleep. One of the best things I ever did

01:07:59.110 --> 01:08:00.610
was I brought my wife on the ride. I used to

01:08:00.610 --> 01:08:02.380
tour with a guy named Bob Schneider. And we had

01:08:02.380 --> 01:08:04.340
an extra bunk and I brought my wife out for a

01:08:04.340 --> 01:08:08.019
week. And she was by actually, she was going

01:08:08.019 --> 01:08:10.099
to do a two week run with us because she's pretty

01:08:10.099 --> 01:08:11.639
cool. Everyone likes my wife. She's pretty chill.

01:08:11.719 --> 01:08:14.300
This is before we had a kid. But after one week,

01:08:14.300 --> 01:08:15.539
she was like, I want to go home. She was like,

01:08:15.539 --> 01:08:19.260
I had no idea how boring it is. And then we were

01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:21.399
doing the we were a pretty lean club tour. So

01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.680
it was like one shower room a day. And you did

01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.840
not want to be the last person. And then every

01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:28.560
day, really, your day begins with just trying

01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.199
to find somewhere to take a shit. That's like

01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:32.779
what the day. That's how the day starts, is where

01:08:32.779 --> 01:08:35.539
am I going to poop today? No brown on the bus.

01:08:35.539 --> 01:08:36.720
My wife was like, get me out of here. No brown

01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.020
on the bus is a rule. Always. So that was good

01:08:41.020 --> 01:08:43.039
because she was, I think she had the idea that

01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:44.539
most people do, like you maybe did, Jon, where

01:08:44.539 --> 01:08:45.859
she's like, oh, you're just partying all the

01:08:45.859 --> 01:08:48.300
time. I'm stuck at home. And then she was like,

01:08:48.420 --> 01:08:50.560
that's just a lot of boring bullshit. Oh, my

01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:53.159
ex, my ex used to say I was on vacation on the

01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:58.579
road. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Nope. Well. There

01:08:58.579 --> 01:09:01.199
I mean I there are some I mean I remember doing

01:09:01.199 --> 01:09:04.079
I heard did a gig once a private event with I

01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:05.520
used to play with a country guy in Rodney Atkins

01:09:05.520 --> 01:09:09.479
and It was in like a Palm Springs type resort.

01:09:09.479 --> 01:09:12.420
We're in an infinity pool and large breasted

01:09:12.420 --> 01:09:15.199
ladies are bringing us Margaritas into the pool

01:09:15.199 --> 01:09:17.739
and I did look at our base player. I said I'm

01:09:17.739 --> 01:09:19.699
probably not gonna tell my wife, you know, like

01:09:19.699 --> 01:09:23.460
You know the phone the phone call home is like

01:09:23.460 --> 01:09:29.140
another fucking hotel You know, we just have

01:09:29.140 --> 01:09:30.399
this whole joke where like you can hear like

01:09:30.399 --> 01:09:32.220
a conga line in the background. She's like, is

01:09:32.220 --> 01:09:35.460
that a conga line in the background? The TV's

01:09:35.460 --> 01:09:37.279
on. And then someone yells, get in here, Clint.

01:09:37.520 --> 01:09:39.039
She's like, did someone just say your name? Like,

01:09:39.039 --> 01:09:42.880
what? No, honey, it's such an unhealthy city.

01:09:43.060 --> 01:09:46.359
Everybody here is fat and just eating KFC. You

01:09:46.359 --> 01:09:48.140
would want to be here. Right. Exactly. Including

01:09:48.140 --> 01:09:50.920
me. Yeah. Yeah. One of our. But I'll tell you

01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:54.310
what. I'll just say one of our watchers is Jamie.

01:09:54.310 --> 01:09:56.050
Jamie Michelle is asking. What's your favorite

01:09:56.050 --> 01:10:02.510
live song? Oh, man. If you have one. Jesus. I

01:10:02.510 --> 01:10:04.750
would have to name like five. They're all pretty

01:10:04.750 --> 01:10:07.329
much deep cuts. I mean, a huge fan of, you know,

01:10:07.329 --> 01:10:08.829
I like to feel the quiet river rage. That was

01:10:08.829 --> 01:10:10.470
one of my favorite ones. If I had to pick one,

01:10:10.569 --> 01:10:13.130
I'd probably say that. I love there's another

01:10:13.130 --> 01:10:18.149
esoteric slow jam on distance to hear. What are

01:10:18.149 --> 01:10:21.130
the slow and not dance with you? Oh, Face and

01:10:21.130 --> 01:10:22.949
Ghost. Oh yeah. That's my favorite life song.

01:10:23.590 --> 01:10:25.750
Easily my favorite life song. There's a deep

01:10:25.750 --> 01:10:30.170
cut from This Is Here called Deeper. Yes. Did

01:10:30.170 --> 01:10:32.529
you ever hear it? Oh, I have that in Vine Street.

01:10:32.729 --> 01:10:35.149
Yeah, Vine Street's great too. Dude, Deeper should

01:10:35.149 --> 01:10:38.109
have been on the album. Well, it's funny because

01:10:38.109 --> 01:10:40.649
there was a whole, like there were three or four

01:10:40.649 --> 01:10:44.289
other tracks that Chad wrote the guitar parts

01:10:44.289 --> 01:10:47.289
for that were way more rockin'. Don't wait. That

01:10:47.289 --> 01:10:51.250
were gonna be on there. on Distance of Here.

01:10:51.569 --> 01:10:55.310
And when Ed ended up doing mastering and basically

01:10:55.310 --> 01:10:59.069
picking all the songs, and he took off all Chad's

01:10:59.069 --> 01:11:01.670
songs or whatever, the rocking ones. He was trying

01:11:01.670 --> 01:11:04.409
to make this more, what was the format called

01:11:04.409 --> 01:11:08.109
back then? AAA? No, not AAA. What was it? AAA.

01:11:08.149 --> 01:11:11.489
Yeah. Adult Contemporary or whatever. Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:11.489 --> 01:11:14.489
He was trying to make the record more into that.

01:11:14.510 --> 01:11:16.609
And we're just like, what the fuck? And they

01:11:16.609 --> 01:11:18.529
still have some great songs on it, but Deep Blue

01:11:18.529 --> 01:11:21.489
was freaking awesome. I love deeper. And so was

01:11:21.489 --> 01:11:24.250
Don't Wait and Change. Like those three songs

01:11:24.250 --> 01:11:26.710
were fucked. Like I was like in love with them,

01:11:26.729 --> 01:11:28.869
dude. Like I was because I went to your Stone

01:11:28.869 --> 01:11:30.569
Pony show and got to hear some of these before

01:11:30.569 --> 01:11:33.050
the album came out. So we were kind of expecting

01:11:33.050 --> 01:11:36.010
that, you know what I'm saying? Then this came

01:11:36.010 --> 01:11:39.850
out was still great. But those three songs, I

01:11:39.850 --> 01:11:41.890
think would have been the best songs on that

01:11:41.890 --> 01:11:44.640
album, to be honest. I don't know if I know the

01:11:44.640 --> 01:11:46.800
other two you mentioned. I know Vine Street and

01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:49.819
Deeper. Was Vine Street connected to that album?

01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.399
Yeah, I don't know if we record Vine Street.

01:11:55.079 --> 01:11:59.260
I got it as a fucking fans of live record for

01:11:59.260 --> 01:12:02.520
that album. It was that same year. Do we record

01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:08.279
Vine Street for the five session? No, that was

01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:10.779
pre -five. I had to be distancing here then.

01:12:12.780 --> 01:12:14.920
And was this the last record you guys did with

01:12:14.920 --> 01:12:20.520
Jerry? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And we ended up doing

01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:22.779
the Gracious Few with Jerry, which was great.

01:12:22.899 --> 01:12:26.100
Hell, yeah. Start to finish that album. Kills.

01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.760
Thank you. Seriously, that was fucking I wish

01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:31.739
you guys would fucking do a part two to that,

01:12:31.920 --> 01:12:35.600
man. That was fucking legit. That was that was

01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:37.340
the tour where just like you were saying, Clinton.

01:12:37.830 --> 01:12:40.970
Just getting off the we we had one bus with everybody

01:12:40.970 --> 01:12:43.449
on at the band and the crew we were kind of like

01:12:43.449 --> 01:12:45.729
two shower rooms maybe and trying to figure out

01:12:45.729 --> 01:12:51.510
where to shit in the morning like And the thing

01:12:51.510 --> 01:12:54.529
about the thing about partying to to that point

01:12:54.529 --> 01:12:56.550
I'm shooting like you can't really party when

01:12:56.550 --> 01:12:58.909
you're dealing with that No, like you can't walk

01:12:58.909 --> 01:13:01.890
into that kind of day hungover like I'll do it

01:13:01.890 --> 01:13:04.189
But I you can't do it five days in a row. It's

01:13:04.189 --> 01:13:07.399
just You know It just adds up. I hate to say

01:13:07.399 --> 01:13:09.439
it. Clint, so the way we do it on this show is

01:13:09.439 --> 01:13:12.119
we always leave the audience wanting more. We

01:13:12.119 --> 01:13:14.180
introduce them and then we have you back to kind

01:13:14.180 --> 01:13:17.060
of settle in and all that jazz. So we want to

01:13:17.060 --> 01:13:18.560
thank you for coming on. Can you tell the audience

01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:20.579
where they might be able to find you on social

01:13:20.579 --> 01:13:22.739
media or whatever you want to let them know?

01:13:24.000 --> 01:13:26.039
Oh, God, social media. Well, I'm on Instagram

01:13:26.039 --> 01:13:28.119
and I'm on Twitter. I don't really engage much,

01:13:28.140 --> 01:13:29.800
but you can't find me there. I tour with a woman

01:13:29.800 --> 01:13:31.560
named Morgan Wade. We're on tour with Shinedown

01:13:31.560 --> 01:13:33.800
all summer. I've got a Metallica podcast called

01:13:33.800 --> 01:13:35.560
Metalhead podcast. It's going to have Chad Gracie

01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:37.659
on the podcast. Yeah, let's do it. We'll figure

01:13:37.659 --> 01:13:40.680
that out. To tell a Metallica Marilyn Manson

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:43.180
story. But a huge live fan, huge fan of you guys.

01:13:43.220 --> 01:13:45.520
Love the pod. Thank you for having me on. I appreciate

01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:46.840
it. Thank you for coming on, man. It's awesome.

01:13:47.039 --> 01:13:49.199
And we'll talk about bring me on the podcast

01:13:49.199 --> 01:13:52.239
or your podcast. Yes. All right, y 'all have

01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:53.180
a good night. I look forward to that one. You

01:13:53.180 --> 01:13:55.579
too, Clint. Clint Wells, ladies and gentlemen,

01:13:55.880 --> 01:14:00.020
the one and only Clint Wells. Morgan Wade. I

01:14:00.020 --> 01:14:02.279
believe what he was hinting at is single. He

01:14:02.279 --> 01:14:07.060
just didn't want to say she's a hooch. Hey, I'm

01:14:07.060 --> 01:14:10.100
a comedian. I'm a comedian. I can say whatever

01:14:10.100 --> 01:14:13.859
I want. Thank you, audience, for coming on the

01:14:13.859 --> 01:14:18.520
show. This is three shows in a week, folks. I

01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:22.159
haven't had a proper day off since March 21st,

01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:26.039
literally, and what's going on a month. So we're

01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:27.779
canceling Tuesday show. Just kidding. We'll be

01:14:27.779 --> 01:14:30.529
here Tuesday. And we're gonna sneak in next week.

01:14:30.630 --> 01:14:32.350
I think Chad we're gonna get an Instagram live

01:14:32.350 --> 01:14:35.149
We were trying to do it this week, but again,

01:14:35.149 --> 01:14:37.409
we gave them so much content. We couldn't fit

01:14:37.409 --> 01:14:40.510
it in Hey, that's what that's what she said.

01:14:40.930 --> 01:14:44.189
Thank you guys gracious Saturday, what's today?

01:14:44.310 --> 01:14:48.069
Thanks everyone. Hey, please like subscribe share

01:14:48.069 --> 01:14:51.189
Comment all that good stuff. Yeah, please. Yes.

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Yeah the word And we're going to tell you to

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do that at the beginning of every show from now

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on, because we always try to, but share, share,

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share, share. It's probably better at the end

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of the show. More people are watching them. That's

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true. I just, I just figure like if they're not

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catching it live and they just like go to catch

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the replay, sometimes it'll start at the beginning.

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So if they hear, you know, if they hear it right

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away, yeah, we're just going to say throughout

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the whole show next week is going to be, please

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share, please follow, please share. We're not

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going to talk about anything else. It's just

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the whole show, an hour and a half. All right,

01:15:21.060 --> 01:15:23.079
folks. Who's our guest next week on Tuesday?

01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:31.460
Not Jason. Hold on. It is, holy shit, Ed Kowalczyk.

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This is crazy. Oh, wow. Flat Earth Dave, yes.

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Oh, shit. Yes, that'll be fun. That will be fun.

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Later, audience. Later.