LIVE Show 133 - Chad Taylor 2.0

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And we are live, Mr. Gracey Show 133. What up?

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What's up? Were you able to click live? It wouldn't

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let me do it on the screen, so I don't know if

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I'm live on Instagram or not. Gotcha. Relook

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it. Let me look. I don't know. It waited for

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me to, like, actually get to the screen to click

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it. It took a little bit longer. But what a great

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show we got for the audience today. Mr. Chad

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Taylor coming on, which will be a fun, fun show.

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Lots to talk about there. Oh, yeah. Mr. Chad

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Taylor. Yeah, man. State of the Union last night.

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Lots of cool stuff going on. That was interesting.

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Yes. I think the highlight for me was President

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Trump asking everyone to stand up that thought

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that the representatives should represent American

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citizens and not illegals. And no Democrats stood

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up. I mean, OK, I know you hate Trump. You have

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TDS, whatever. You don't like what he's saying.

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But you can't stand for that statement that you're

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supposed to be representing American citizens.

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You can't stand for the 100 -year -old Medal

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of Honor recipient. that served in wars that

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you know like wars gone like it just baffles

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me you can't stand for irena zaruch's mother

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the woman that was murdered on the fucking bus

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on in or train or whatever it was in north carolina

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you can't stand for like what what are you resisting

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at that point that you're the middle of honor

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one what is the middle of honor one though because

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what did he represent that they wouldn't stand

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for like the other ones like exactly well That's

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what I mean. Yeah, there was nothing. They can't

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even stand for American citizens saying that

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they represent American citizens. They can't

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stand for that, and they can't stand for a Medal

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of Honor winner. It's like, what? Yeah, man.

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They're so out of touch. But there's no repercussions

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is the problem, dude. Like, their constituents

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should, and the people who voted for them, should

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be like, what the fuck? Writing in, like, why

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are you not standing up for clear American values?

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Like, okay. You would hope. But they probably

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won't because, as I've said before, they all

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live in a fucking psyop. They've been taught

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to hate Trump so much that no matter what their

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people do against him, they're doing the good

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thing. No matter what their representative does

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against to resist Trump, those people are doing

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the good thing because Trump is evil and bad.

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Everything he does is bad. They live in a psyop,

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dude. It's fucking wild. Speaking of psyops.

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I want to talk about this. One of my favorite

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band of all time is. Oh, right. Love that band.

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Grew up with them. I haven't bought maybe the

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last few records, but I love their music. Been

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a big fan forever. You know, and I've stood up

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for I've stood for most of their their social,

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you know. social things that they like to stand

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up for, like, you know, like world hunger and

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human rights and feeding the poor. Great. I'm

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all for that. Right. You stood up for love too.

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I stood up for love. They've done something that

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I just am like baffled by. They have a new EP

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coming out or it's out or coming out soon, whatever.

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And they've written a song about called American

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obituary, apparently about Renee good. Now it's

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a tragedy that she died. But you're writing a

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song called American Obituary about a woman who

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decided to go and interject herself into law

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enforcement and then hits – and I don't care

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about protocol and training and all the stuff

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that was brought up on the show before. She hit

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the guy, and she got shot and killed. She put

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herself in that ridiculous situation because

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she hates Trump, period. That's it. And now –

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Like I said, it's tragic she's dead, but it was

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her fault that she was there. Bono, why don't

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you write a song about Lake and Riley or any

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of these women that have been killed by illegal

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aliens that are just innocent, literally innocent

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people that are just walking down the street

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are fucking raped and killed by these illegals.

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Why don't you write a song about them, Bono?

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That's the real American obituary here. Not fucking

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Renee Good. Sorry, Bono. Love you. Been with

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you my whole musical life. I've loved you too.

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But you've crossed a line. Like your liberalism

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has blinded you to the fucking truth. And you

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want to start playing politics in America, then

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fucking learn about this shit. Because writing

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a song about Renee Good just based on the fact

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that you heard that she was killed by an ICE

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agent, learn the fucking – and go out and learn

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about all the women that have been killed and

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raped and murdered by fucking – illegal aliens

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that aren't supposed to be in this country yeah

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like it's irresponsible i mean if you're literally

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trying to write a song and incite people to be

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upset about that like it's irresponsible i mean

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she was she hit a fucking federal agent with

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her vehicle i mean what do you expect and i finally

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saw the agents uh because he had his phone yeah

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yeah oh i didn't i thought it was maybe from

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his phone but maybe it was from his body cam

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like you see like him get hit I don't even know

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how he had it in him to get the shots off. Like,

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hats off to him. Who knows what she would have

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done after that, to be honest. So, yeah, man.

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Bono should fucking wake up. It's just my point,

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dude. It's like, that's the person you choose

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to write a song about? Right. You're fighting

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law enforcement, removing illegal criminals from

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your neighborhoods. That's the person that you're

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going to take up arms for. The person that is

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literally fighting law enforcement, who is removing

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illegals, rapists, murderers, criminals. from

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the streets of your town and then you interject

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yourself into that law enforcement action and

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then hit an officer and you get killed it's a

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tragedy but that's who you write a song about

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not about lake and riley not about any of these

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women that have been innocently that just innocent

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women that have been killed and raped by illegals

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that yes they don't matter huh well and it's

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probably not even his feelings on it it's probably

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just he knows like that would sell more than

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a pro ice fucking you know they like it all Hop

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into the people's zeitgeist better being pro

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-Renee Good because that's what's going on right

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now. Well, that's what's wrong with the fuck.

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That's what's wrong. That is literally what's

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wrong with liberalism and liberals in this fucking

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whole world at this point. Yes. People need to

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have a backbone and stand up for what is right.

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Sorry. I think if Bono would have written a song

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about Lake and Riley, that would have been fucking

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huge, I think. Or Bonnie Blue. Hello? She had

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sex with 400 dudes. Well, no. 1 ,000. Did she

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hit 1 ,000? Yeah, but she just banged 400 guys

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without condoms to get pregnant and to not know

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which one did it. And these 400 guys did it and

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she's now pregnant. Can you fucking believe that?

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So, I mean, I want to really look into that story

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because, like, is the guy now, like, liable for

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child support? If he actually wants access to

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the kid, can he? Like, you know what I'm saying?

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Is she going to abort it just to fucking abort

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it? Who knows? Oh, my God. Could you imagine

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what the fuck story that would be? I think she

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would get murdered, bro, if she did that. By

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who? Yeah, that's true. She wouldn't get murdered.

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They would praise her for it. The feminists would

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be like, yeah, let's go, girl. Fucking piece.

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I mean, it's ridiculous, dude. The moral of the

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case is so sad. That would be crazy, though.

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Like, you get pregnant just to have an abortion.

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I think, like. People would be like, what the

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fuck? You know what I'm saying? Because like,

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if it's an accident, but if you're doing it on

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purpose. I saw this trans activist. I mean, obviously

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you can't do it because it's a he, but he was

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talking about, I'm going to get a woman planned

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to me. I'm going to get pregnant so that I can

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abort the baby. It's like, what fucking twisted

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mind thinks like that? Like, what is wrong with

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you? Yeah. Trans woman, whatever, trans person.

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That's another thing. God, I'm sorry. No, it's

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just why do you think of something so twisted

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like that and then come out and say it publicly?

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Like, what is the fucking point? Right. Well,

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this is, again, something I got to do more research

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on. But a lot of these mass shootings are done

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by trans people. That was going around for a

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little bit. There's more more people have been

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killed by trans trans shooters than ICE agents

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by far. Correct. And like I said, I'm all for

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people's. having whatever sexuality they want,

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explore whatever. But I've said this a lot of

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times. I think 9 .9 out of 10 transgender people

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are mentally ill and would be better off seeking

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psychological help rather than exploring these

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feelings of the opposite sex. Like I said, if

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you are born a male and you feel like you're

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a female, there's a disconnect between your mind

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and body. It's a mental illness. But then you're

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on hormones too. They're just destroying your

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emotions, messing them all up. Yeah. Yeah. It's

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just, it's just a crazy thing. And like I said,

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I think even the valid people like that are really

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trans and not like just getting into it because

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it's like fucking in the zeitgeist or they're

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too young to even understand what's going on.

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Even the people that are, I think it's a mental

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illness because you are physically a male and

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you feel like a female or vice versa. You're

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physically a female, feel like a male. Your brain

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isn't doing what your body is, you know, supposed

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to be feeling like. So there's something wrong

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there rather than, hey, go ahead, transition.

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How about try to fix the problem or something?

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Well, medicine doesn't fix problems. It masks

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symptoms. Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong. I

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like throwing on a pair of stilettos and putting

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on some lipstick, but no. I don't think I'm trans.

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But you know what I'm saying? We are bringing

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on Mr. Chad Taylor soon, and he will be doing

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our... So we're getting probably Chad Taylor

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and Chad Gracie back in the studio because I

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think we're going to have them do our intro song.

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But for now, our intro song is this. Ladies and...

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There we go. Okay. mr gracie because you're over

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there on the west coast but we got fucking major

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snow on the east coast my man i was watching

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yeah yeah that's crazy man we were just in your

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house a little over two feet like we were just

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the day before it had just rained enough to get

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like rid of the past snow from a couple like

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a week or two ago and uh then fucking got bombarded

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yeah turn that song off man we're done with that

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yeah yeah yeah come on now they got a little

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bit in york but i was paying attention to because

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my mom was going to go down to to uh ocean city

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new jersey especially on monday but they ended

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up going down tuesday and the street cleared

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yeah yeah yeah uh but yeah if she would have

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traveled on monday no no no i was like no you're

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not going what are you doing yeah my sister was

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like oh on sunday why don't you come over i'm

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like because we're about to get fucking three

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feet of snow i'm not gonna be snowed in at your

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house it's got a lot of wind too right it's a

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blizzard yeah it was it was blizzard so you got

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drifts in area that were that were uh even higher

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nice um winter on the east coast yeah we kind

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of needed one though it's been uh it's yeah i

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mean i you know the shoveling sucks but uh i

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like looking at the snow and i love when i love

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when it snows i fucking love when it snows i

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love driving in the snow when it's snowing yeah

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it's the same Same. It's funny watching people

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from Texas try to drive in the snow because they

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never get it. Yeah, exactly. But enough BSing

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here. Let's get to the reason why we're here,

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Mr. Gracie. The one and only Chad, the man, Taylor.

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What up, brother? Hey, y 'all. How's it going?

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Can you hear my microphone? Oh, yes. Okay, good.

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I went to grab that while you guys were chit

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-chatting. Look at you. Step in the game. I'm

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trying to, you know, I happen to have microphones

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at the house, and I thought, well, I ought to

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look like a pro. Yes. It's great to be back on

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the show, by the way. I mean, what's sort of

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interesting is I've really become a fan of the

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show. Oh, thank you. Yeah, so I do frequently

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watch, not always in real time, but, you know,

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for everybody watching, one of the funnier things

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is sometimes I'll text Chad Gracie. And then

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I'll realize, oh, it's Tuesday at 1. I'm like,

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dude, he's doing a show. Everybody seems to hit

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me. Bill hits me that time. Mom, you, various

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people are like, oh. The rest of the day, I'm

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just sitting around like, no one's texting me,

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but when I'm on the show, no one's texting me.

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Do you remember Patrick answering his mom's call

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mid -show? We did that once. That was in Canada.

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Oh, yeah. We were playing in that huge, like,

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geosphere. I don't know. It looked like planet

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Earth or something. We were playing an acoustic

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thing in the side of it. Oh. And he had his cell

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phone in his back pocket, and it started ringing.

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And I think he literally stopped the song. It

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was like, hold on. And he put it up to the mic.

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He's like, hi, mom. And, you know, the audience,

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of course, like, totally loved that. Yeah. I

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know one person that didn't love that. Oh, really?

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The center of attention? No. He got jealous for

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a second. Can you guys hear my bell in the background?

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I like that, yeah. Ding, ding, ding. Checking

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dinner. That's every time I have a bad thought

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about the bald -headed guy. Ah, got it. And then

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Angel gets their wings. I love it. I feel like

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the guy on Breaking Bad. Ding, ding, ding, ding,

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ding. I just got to have, like, a little bell

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thing. I love that guy, by the way. That's one

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of the greatest character roles in any television,

00:16:03.490 --> 00:16:04.909
TV show. Oh, yeah, absolutely. The guy in the

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wheelchair. Uh -huh. Oh, yeah. I mean, how does

00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:10.460
he not win a reward for acting? I mean, that

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was insane. Oh, exactly. Yes. And what's interesting

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is that he could play both feeble and vicious

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at the same time. Right. Yeah. That's quite a

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combo. Mm -hmm. Absolutely. That's what she said.

00:16:25.440 --> 00:16:29.059
Speaking of Patrick, though, Chad, you, Chad

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Taylor, you were on stage with him, like, about

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a week or two ago at a Christian show. Yeah,

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it was awesome. So, a little background on how

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that went down. I had reached out to Christian

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working, you know, sort of like my 12 -step deal.

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And, you know, he was definitely a big part of,

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you know, a person that I knew, you know, I loved

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and missed and wanted to reconnect with. I just

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knew that it... was going to take some time.

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I think both Chris and I had to laugh that it

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took about 10 years to reconnect, which is kind

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of crazy how fast time moves. That wasn't intentional

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by either party. CT, real quick, real quick.

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Can you pull that microphone closer to you? Because

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I think it cuts out. Yeah. I'm sorry. Can you

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hear it? Perfect. That's way better. If it's

00:17:25.109 --> 00:17:29.420
not cut. Oh, yeah. okay good uh i turned up the

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gain a little bit too yeah it was like whatever

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ducking so when you got a little bit far cut

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out but if you're on it's good so so anyway we

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we reconnected it wasn't really intentional to

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go that long but it is in fact what happened

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and that felt really great totally healing you

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know kind of hung up the phone and like moved

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on with my life my day i knew that patrick was

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rehearsing with shin that's what they call the

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band and i was really excited for patrick and

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i knew that christopher thorne was playing guitar

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and then christian called me and said you know

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i got a kind of crazy thought would you want

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to come and jump on stage with us and uh i mean

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it took me like a blip i don't even know if i

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waited a beat before i said hell yeah And then

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the reality of getting to the gig sunk in. And

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so one of the things happening behind the scenes

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is my mom got really sick. And the doctor was

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trying to decide whether to admit her into the

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hospital or not. And the doctor gave me one of

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those like, well, we're going to decide by 3

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p .m. And I should have left at like 8 a .m.

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that morning to get all the way to Charlotte.

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uh and so i stuck around the house because if

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mom was going in the hospital right i i wanted

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to be at home not on stage sure and so then uh

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the doctor said but we think she can make it

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through the night stay at home you know go ahead

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and go so i got in my car and i drove until you

00:19:08.200 --> 00:19:10.779
know i was like silly tired pulled over got a

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hotel room slept in and then finished like three

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hours of the nine hour drive to make it to charlotte

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i live in lancaster you know it's it's eight

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and a half nine hours to make it to charlotte

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how long before the gig chad did you get the

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call from uh shinda to do this uh like two days

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before the gig okay so so this is all like last

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minute just like throw and go have some fun and

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then i made it to charlotte said hi to everyone

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i mean one of the great surprises was sean hennessey

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from the gracious few was playing keys and backing

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vocals and helped doing some tech work so i got

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to actually meet his wife and his son for the

00:19:49.490 --> 00:19:55.430
first time uh i got to meet um uh you know and

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and rejoin with like lots of people but including

00:19:58.490 --> 00:20:03.569
uh christopher thorne's son devlin and uh devlin

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was teching also like doing some guitar teching

00:20:06.529 --> 00:20:09.369
stuff so anyway we all powwowed over to the gig

00:20:09.369 --> 00:20:11.369
we played at a little venue called snug harbor

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holds you know my guess would be 125 people maybe

00:20:14.690 --> 00:20:19.059
something like that uh perfect perfect rock club

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uh the pa system sounded great and scott the

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engineer did a fantastic job i can tell you that

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because i watched the whole show from the front

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of house and then i jumped up with the hawkeye

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yeah yeah exactly and uh but i i jumped up on

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stage then for the encore and did luchini's juice

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and i alone um and and let me just say this the

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shin band was amazing i will say this it's easily

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in the top five shows of my entire life and by

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far the best show i've seen within the last two

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years it was magical uh you know but if you think

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about it it's like you know there's a lot of

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multi -platinum players up there you got christopher

00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:03.509
thorne from blind melon you got patrick from

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live right you know and all these members of

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course have been in live and they just anchored

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together and uh i'll just say this that they

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played galaxy uh by unified theory which is uh

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one or not i'm sorry not galaxy uh dang messed

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up uh they played uh california by unified theory

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oh yeah and uh there there's like a whole middle

00:21:33.190 --> 00:21:35.750
breakdown in that thing that's like very rhythmical

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And let me just say this. I've never heard it

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like that, like with Patrick on bass and everything,

00:21:41.490 --> 00:21:45.789
like the song lit up. And Shin himself reminded

00:21:45.789 --> 00:21:51.130
me of when Unified Theory was the opening act

00:21:51.130 --> 00:21:55.650
for Live and The Counting Crows and where I basically

00:21:55.650 --> 00:21:58.289
fell in love with Shin's voice. Same with Gracie,

00:21:58.289 --> 00:22:01.230
same with Dahlheimer. Actually, the same with

00:22:01.230 --> 00:22:03.519
Ed. to be honest with you. So, you know, we all

00:22:03.519 --> 00:22:07.480
loved him and loved his voice. And his, you know,

00:22:07.480 --> 00:22:09.599
some singers as they age just, you know, kind

00:22:09.599 --> 00:22:11.740
of age out of their voice. It's like he's aging

00:22:11.740 --> 00:22:15.259
into himself, into his voice. So that was really,

00:22:15.420 --> 00:22:19.700
really, really invigorating and inspiring and

00:22:19.700 --> 00:22:23.339
refreshing. Then I jump off the stage. I went

00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:25.259
to change my clothes because I got hot and sweaty,

00:22:25.339 --> 00:22:28.259
even in those two songs. And I was standing at

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the back of my car like. the old days of, you

00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:34.299
know, being in a band with a van and a trailer

00:22:34.299 --> 00:22:37.319
and I was changing and I thought there's something

00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.819
wrong at home. I need to just go. So I sent a

00:22:40.819 --> 00:22:43.119
text rather than a long goodbye and said that

00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:47.380
was awesome. And I got on the road and I drove

00:22:47.380 --> 00:22:51.440
until I was dizzy at about 6 a .m. and pulled

00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:53.720
into a rest stop, crawled in the back of my car.

00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.960
I slept for maybe two hours, woke up at 8 a .m.

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and then finished the drive. And sure enough,

00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.440
my mom had asked everyone to not tell me, but

00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:06.980
she had been admitted to the hospital. So my

00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:11.420
mom son connection was there. Wow. I made it

00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:14.680
all the way home only to get there. And the hospital

00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.200
was what was called on like code black or something.

00:23:17.299 --> 00:23:20.700
They were basically not admitting outsiders because

00:23:20.700 --> 00:23:23.099
there was so much flu and pneumonia going around.

00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.779
And just to say it quickly, mom is back out of

00:23:26.779 --> 00:23:28.519
the hospital. She's feeling good. In fact, I

00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:30.819
told her to tune in. And, John, she did say,

00:23:30.859 --> 00:23:33.500
please tell him not to curse so much. I will

00:23:33.500 --> 00:23:36.819
try. My bad. Mama tell her I apologize. Me too,

00:23:36.980 --> 00:23:41.720
right? So, St. T, you have that much intuition

00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:45.500
where you trust in, I guess, your feelings that

00:23:45.500 --> 00:23:47.880
you were like, I got to take off. Something feels

00:23:47.880 --> 00:23:50.900
off. And then, sure enough, it was your mom.

00:23:51.970 --> 00:23:54.150
yeah is that something that you've always had

00:23:54.150 --> 00:23:56.069
that like because that that like just for you

00:23:56.069 --> 00:23:58.750
to like get that feeling and then just the wherewithal

00:23:58.750 --> 00:24:01.130
to actually leave an event because so many people

00:24:01.130 --> 00:24:03.230
could get that feeling and just ignore it but

00:24:03.230 --> 00:24:05.829
you actually followed through and it turned out

00:24:05.829 --> 00:24:10.930
to be true you're feeling yeah so well as you're

00:24:10.930 --> 00:24:12.509
saying that i'm thinking to myself i'm like well

00:24:12.509 --> 00:24:15.240
that's probably because i was sober you know

00:24:15.240 --> 00:24:17.359
had i been drinking there i'm sure i probably

00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.279
would want to stay at the bar and stay and be

00:24:19.279 --> 00:24:21.920
social with everyone but you know that is one

00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:24.299
of the things that's happened in sobriety is

00:24:24.299 --> 00:24:26.920
um you know some of my senses are turning back

00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:30.380
on i'm not dulling out so much um you know not

00:24:30.380 --> 00:24:32.240
that everything comes back to alcoholism but

00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:34.559
i mean in that particular case hey we were in

00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:37.319
a bar it would have been easy to have some post

00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:39.900
-show cocktails we were all feeling really great

00:24:39.900 --> 00:24:44.880
about the show um yeah about You know, reestablishing

00:24:44.880 --> 00:24:49.000
that friendship with, you know, three members

00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:51.579
of live, you know, standing on the stage together.

00:24:52.019 --> 00:24:56.019
Yeah. One, Christian, Thorne, me, Patrick. Four.

00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:03.460
Sorry, my math is bad. Yeah, man. So and those

00:25:03.460 --> 00:25:05.799
are the times where people do relapse, right?

00:25:05.859 --> 00:25:08.380
Like they get to these places where they're kind

00:25:08.380 --> 00:25:10.980
of celebrating life because it's so good. That's

00:25:10.980 --> 00:25:12.640
a lot of times where they could take the fall

00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:15.240
and, oh, I could just have one celebrate this

00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:19.000
moment and then boom. Yeah, I guess. Look, I

00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.160
just want to be clear. I'm one of those fortunate

00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:25.740
people that I don't have those cravings anymore.

00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:28.940
None whatsoever. And don't really think that

00:25:28.940 --> 00:25:32.099
I will fall victim to that. Of course, there's

00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:33.839
probably someone with more experience out there

00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.660
saying, well, that guy's a fool. But, you know,

00:25:35.700 --> 00:25:39.529
I stay really diligent. and uh actually i mean

00:25:39.529 --> 00:25:42.210
to be honest i read some article i wish i could

00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:44.630
cite the article it was written by a young woman

00:25:44.630 --> 00:25:49.549
and she was talking about how she views alcohol

00:25:49.549 --> 00:25:54.230
as the actual sign that the person is a dinosaur

00:25:54.230 --> 00:25:58.349
that like they're in kind of prehistoric times

00:25:58.349 --> 00:26:01.170
that it's so unhealthy and so horrible oh yeah

00:26:01.170 --> 00:26:04.920
body that she's like you know i don't she's like

00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.819
I don't really have anything against people that

00:26:06.819 --> 00:26:09.359
drink it's just I look at you and think oh well

00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:13.420
you're a dinosaur and so I mean I don't know

00:26:13.420 --> 00:26:15.160
if I would have read that and it would have woken

00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.140
me up but you know I mean everybody knows that

00:26:17.140 --> 00:26:21.039
you know the the trend is that drinking is just

00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:24.019
like going away a lot a lot of the companies

00:26:24.019 --> 00:26:25.740
are struggling I don't want to see anybody lose

00:26:25.740 --> 00:26:28.059
their job or anything but I didn't keep y 'all

00:26:28.059 --> 00:26:34.420
employed for a long time so yeah so anyway I

00:26:34.420 --> 00:26:38.660
just think that, yeah, I feel very rooted these

00:26:38.660 --> 00:26:40.579
days. I think it's also because I'm playing music.

00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.180
I mean, that's what I'm meant to do. You're 100

00:26:43.180 --> 00:26:45.559
% right, though. Alcohol is, like, literally

00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:48.480
a poison, like, to the body. Like, your body

00:26:48.480 --> 00:26:52.380
doesn't interact with it well at all. It, like,

00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.380
slowly kills you, I think. Like, your liver and

00:26:54.380 --> 00:26:56.559
all that stuff, your body's, like, it's not supposed

00:26:56.559 --> 00:27:01.809
to be in there. haven't had drinks for you know

00:27:01.809 --> 00:27:04.309
quite some time i have gone to thinking about

00:27:04.309 --> 00:27:06.970
well you know did like did i do frontal lobe

00:27:06.970 --> 00:27:10.009
damage you know any of that stuff i i definitely

00:27:10.009 --> 00:27:13.690
am somewhat concerned about that but i'm trying

00:27:13.690 --> 00:27:17.829
to be very mindful of my diet these days good

00:27:17.829 --> 00:27:21.630
um interesting enough i'm using uh many of the

00:27:21.630 --> 00:27:25.569
methodologies that i learned from aa in my approach

00:27:25.569 --> 00:27:29.069
to food and i'll just confess right now I totally

00:27:29.069 --> 00:27:32.230
had a food relapse last night. I had a pizza

00:27:32.230 --> 00:27:34.890
and a cheesesteak, which for me is, like, way

00:27:34.890 --> 00:27:38.910
out of character these days. And I think, honest

00:27:38.910 --> 00:27:43.450
to God, it was because, like, just I had, like,

00:27:43.450 --> 00:27:45.789
a moment of relief. My mom came into the hospital.

00:27:47.089 --> 00:27:49.670
My sister -in -law was in a medically induced

00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:52.890
coma. We can talk about that later. But she came

00:27:52.890 --> 00:27:55.910
out of the coma. And I did the classic, like,

00:27:55.990 --> 00:27:59.170
you know, let my hair down. And I know this sounds

00:27:59.170 --> 00:28:01.210
strange, but in the midst of it, I went, oh,

00:28:01.230 --> 00:28:04.089
my God, like I've technically relapsed and it

00:28:04.089 --> 00:28:06.589
freaked me out. And I definitely don't ever want

00:28:06.589 --> 00:28:09.049
to have that feeling with alcohol, but I'm learning

00:28:09.049 --> 00:28:12.470
that those self -soothing things like food in

00:28:12.470 --> 00:28:14.650
particular, you know, that's a trigger thing

00:28:14.650 --> 00:28:17.190
for me. You know, you don't get this manly looking,

00:28:17.309 --> 00:28:20.170
you know, body, but, you know, I don't know,

00:28:20.190 --> 00:28:23.549
only drinking fruit smoothies or whatever. So

00:28:23.549 --> 00:28:26.690
you consider basically. Even though it's not

00:28:26.690 --> 00:28:29.130
like a relapse with alcohol, you consider a relapse

00:28:29.130 --> 00:28:33.210
something that triggers that emotion in you of

00:28:33.210 --> 00:28:36.549
like, I want this bad or something. Yeah. So

00:28:36.549 --> 00:28:40.029
after I went up and over the challenge of alcohol

00:28:40.029 --> 00:28:43.910
and started, you know, addressing my mental health

00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:47.789
issues, which are numerous and wide, I'm sure

00:28:47.789 --> 00:28:50.069
that I'll never get to the end of that. And I

00:28:50.069 --> 00:28:52.430
think most people can actually relate to that.

00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:55.660
But in a state of sobriety, I started. you know,

00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:58.200
saying to myself, well, what else is going on?

00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.619
And I recognize that my eating habits, generally

00:29:02.619 --> 00:29:05.799
speaking, I actually eat very healthful at home

00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:09.579
because my wife is the primary provider of food

00:29:09.579 --> 00:29:13.660
and she's super healthy. And I eat that food.

00:29:14.220 --> 00:29:17.500
It was late night, you know, like, well, what

00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:20.019
I had noticed was like a new craving for ice

00:29:20.019 --> 00:29:22.119
cream that like I'd never had. I mean, Chad would

00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:23.819
tell you in our childhood, I was never a huge

00:29:23.819 --> 00:29:26.859
sweets guy. All of a sudden, I was like, oh,

00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:29.400
my God. I'd find myself eating a bowl of ice

00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.539
cream and thinking, when the hell did I get this

00:29:32.539 --> 00:29:35.799
out of the freezer? It was happening. And what

00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:40.059
I realized is that I was using food now, in particular

00:29:40.059 --> 00:29:42.819
sugar, as the new alcohol replacement. Let's

00:29:42.819 --> 00:29:45.920
be honest. We all know alcohol metastasizes into

00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.829
sugar. And so I was feeding my brain with the

00:29:49.829 --> 00:29:52.349
same thing. So I'm determined now to cut that

00:29:52.349 --> 00:29:55.089
out. Probably my last and final vice will be

00:29:55.089 --> 00:29:58.289
coffee. And I don't even I haven't even tried

00:29:58.289 --> 00:30:00.430
to think about that challenge yet. I think that

00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:03.829
might be harder than alcohol and sugar. But why

00:30:03.829 --> 00:30:08.289
coffee? Well, I don't know, just because I I

00:30:08.289 --> 00:30:10.769
clearly self -medicate with it. You know, I wake

00:30:10.769 --> 00:30:14.069
up this morning and. Give yourself some pleasures,

00:30:14.309 --> 00:30:16.069
dude. It seems like you're trying to take all

00:30:16.069 --> 00:30:18.150
the joys out of your life. Give yourself some

00:30:18.150 --> 00:30:20.289
crotch here. I've already said I haven't gotten

00:30:20.289 --> 00:30:27.549
there yet. All right, but let's get the elephant

00:30:27.549 --> 00:30:29.309
out of the room real quick because we're all

00:30:29.309 --> 00:30:32.109
talking about live and all this stuff. We see

00:30:32.109 --> 00:30:34.950
recently there's a big cease and desist letter

00:30:34.950 --> 00:30:41.519
delivered to Mr. Ed Kowalczyk. basically what

00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.319
saying what can we talk about here basically

00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:46.740
asking him not to tour under a name he's not

00:30:46.740 --> 00:30:50.039
uh entitled to i know you can't talk about much

00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:57.460
yeah so first of all um it's probably it's sort

00:30:57.460 --> 00:30:59.880
of funny i wrote this down and like i hate to

00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:04.059
be like contrived or anything and like but without

00:31:04.059 --> 00:31:06.980
like trying to like think of it on the spot or

00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:12.000
almost like read this And basically what I was

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.480
saying is while I can't discuss the specifics

00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:17.819
of the ongoing litigation, what I can share is

00:31:17.819 --> 00:31:21.680
some context. The current legal matter centers

00:31:21.680 --> 00:31:24.339
on intellectual property and corporate governance

00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:27.799
rights. In the United States, there is no trademark

00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:31.380
police or government body that steps in when

00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:35.299
disputes arise over ownership or usage. Instead.

00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.500
Companies like ours are required to enforce and

00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:40.680
defend their rights through the civil court system.

00:31:40.819 --> 00:31:43.299
So otherwise, Chad and I can't get on the phone.

00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.839
Chad Patrick and I can't get on the phone and

00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:49.579
say, you know, like you would report a crime.

00:31:49.619 --> 00:31:52.980
And then that person, you know, would investigate

00:31:52.980 --> 00:31:55.799
the crime. And then that person could be charged.

00:31:55.900 --> 00:31:59.559
Right. The way it works is. And so really, this

00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:04.220
is just simply a corporate action. And what else

00:32:04.220 --> 00:32:06.420
I put down was the company connected to live

00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:09.380
was founded in 1989. So this goes all the way

00:32:09.380 --> 00:32:11.640
back to the very same year that we graduated

00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:14.559
high school. And it operates under established

00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:17.559
bylaws, shareholder agreements and employment

00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:20.000
contracts that govern how the business functions

00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.680
and how its intellectual property is protected.

00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:26.099
So these are agreements that all four shareholders

00:32:26.099 --> 00:32:31.740
of the company have signed and agreed to. and

00:32:31.740 --> 00:32:34.660
it's the company's job to make sure that all

00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:37.819
of the shareholders or even outside entities

00:32:37.819 --> 00:32:41.920
basically abide by the law and what the company

00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:46.240
owns so and this now goes directly to the fans

00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.519
from the outside it might appear like the disagreements

00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:53.920
are between the individual musicians however

00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.160
the litigation itself including recent corporate

00:32:57.160 --> 00:33:00.619
actions reflects company -level responsibilities,

00:33:00.920 --> 00:33:04.059
not personal disputes. Some of the individuals

00:33:04.059 --> 00:33:06.519
involved happen to also be founding members of

00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.359
the band, which can blur that distinction publicly.

00:33:09.619 --> 00:33:11.700
But legally, there is an important difference

00:33:11.700 --> 00:33:14.279
between the individuals and the corporation itself.

00:33:14.519 --> 00:33:19.220
The corporation issued Ed a revocation letter,

00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:24.500
and the corporation itself has a fiduciary duty

00:33:24.500 --> 00:33:27.920
to the shareholders to protect its... intellectual

00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:31.140
property rights and then so for me how you know

00:33:31.140 --> 00:33:33.519
like if you read any of the press it says like

00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:36.599
chad grace or chad gracie or chad taylor issued

00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:41.599
um right yeah you know a revocation letter but

00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:45.559
okay in my capacity right as the president of

00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.160
the company i'm following directions from the

00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:51.039
company's board it's the company that issued

00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:54.009
the revocation letter consistent with its governance

00:33:54.009 --> 00:33:57.069
obligations. And basically from this point forward,

00:33:57.269 --> 00:33:59.869
the courts will evaluate the matter based on

00:33:59.869 --> 00:34:02.569
evidence developed through discovery, sworn testimony,

00:34:02.710 --> 00:34:06.950
and ultimately, if necessary, a trial. So, you

00:34:06.950 --> 00:34:10.429
know, this is why the company has legal counsel

00:34:10.429 --> 00:34:13.690
and will rely on that legal counsel. Ed will

00:34:13.690 --> 00:34:16.889
rely on his legal counsel and they'll basically

00:34:16.889 --> 00:34:19.409
fight this out at some point. You know, if it

00:34:19.409 --> 00:34:21.050
goes all the way, it'll be in front of a jury.

00:34:22.710 --> 00:34:26.130
And, you know, it's my job as one of the corporate

00:34:26.130 --> 00:34:30.210
officers to have a good understanding of the

00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:33.170
corporate governance and the contracts that the

00:34:33.170 --> 00:34:35.329
company has signed and basically to protect and

00:34:35.329 --> 00:34:37.650
defend that. Right. So in that role, I'm not

00:34:37.650 --> 00:34:41.170
the guitarist in live. I'm the representative

00:34:41.170 --> 00:34:44.289
essentially of the company's board. Yeah. You

00:34:44.289 --> 00:34:48.719
have a different obligation. No, sorry, go ahead.

00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.760
What I was going to say is most laymen look at

00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.579
it like an inner band dispute. And while, yes,

00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.880
we're all members of the band, this issue is

00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.559
in between Action Front that has historically

00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.280
owned and controlled lives and intellectual property

00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:04.940
and, you know, Ed Kowalczyk. It seems like this

00:35:04.940 --> 00:35:06.579
filing was long overdue. I'm sorry, go ahead,

00:35:06.659 --> 00:35:11.260
Chad. I was going to say we figured and probably

00:35:11.260 --> 00:35:13.199
knew that it was going to defy the cease and

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.059
desist anyway. So that was not. Well, you know,

00:35:18.119 --> 00:35:21.219
his side, to be fair, his side is going to say,

00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:24.920
I'm not violating anything. This is why you have

00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:30.739
courts. Right. And, you know, to be fair, I've

00:35:30.739 --> 00:35:34.059
tried, like, I don't know where I'm at spiritually

00:35:34.059 --> 00:35:37.519
in my life. Like, there's no spirit in me of

00:35:37.519 --> 00:35:40.679
the get back, the revenge, anything like that.

00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.500
It's just like, look, it just is what it is.

00:35:42.639 --> 00:35:44.800
It's a corporate matter. We have attorneys that

00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.510
advise the board. And, you know, they look through

00:35:47.510 --> 00:35:51.829
the governance standards and rules and then say,

00:35:51.889 --> 00:35:53.829
well, these practices are being abused, etc.

00:35:54.329 --> 00:35:56.269
This isn't the first time that the companies

00:35:56.269 --> 00:35:58.570
had to go through this. The company went through

00:35:58.570 --> 00:36:02.969
this in 2010 and then again in 2012. And in those

00:36:02.969 --> 00:36:08.510
two cases, ultimately, Ed settled. So, you know,

00:36:08.510 --> 00:36:11.929
it's a shame for the fans that they have to go

00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:14.050
through this. Like I saw someone saying, well.

00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:17.070
Like all the members of the live ought to just

00:36:17.070 --> 00:36:19.570
hang it up. Well, that's out in fairy tale land.

00:36:19.889 --> 00:36:23.150
There are like record deals, royalties, all those

00:36:23.150 --> 00:36:26.369
things that are going on. You know, certainly

00:36:26.369 --> 00:36:30.230
for me, I'm not, I just happen to be one of those

00:36:30.230 --> 00:36:32.329
people. I'm not interested in performing with

00:36:32.329 --> 00:36:36.469
Ed. I don't, I don't enjoy his artistry. He doesn't

00:36:36.469 --> 00:36:38.929
do it for me. Doesn't turn me on. I don't want

00:36:38.929 --> 00:36:42.739
to write songs for him anymore, but that. Doesn't

00:36:42.739 --> 00:36:45.380
mean that, you know, Ed's a bad artist or something

00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:47.400
like that. I mean, he has every right to get

00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:50.539
on stage and to play music. But if he's going

00:36:50.539 --> 00:36:52.880
to put the live moniker behind him, well, then,

00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:54.440
of course, the corporate attorneys are going

00:36:54.440 --> 00:36:58.820
to weigh in, etc. Yeah, 100 percent. And like

00:36:58.820 --> 00:37:02.079
I said, I feel like this was long overdue. What

00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.519
you guys have built up amongst fans, amongst

00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:10.519
the music industry for the name of live is. is

00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.980
something not many bands do. I mean, Rolling

00:37:12.980 --> 00:37:16.079
Stones artists of the year, 95, you know, 25,

00:37:16.219 --> 00:37:19.320
30 million records sold. I mean, you guys built

00:37:19.320 --> 00:37:21.739
up a lot of credibility in the, in the music

00:37:21.739 --> 00:37:25.199
industry and for a second rate band to be touring

00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.460
under that name and maybe even putting out new

00:37:28.460 --> 00:37:31.239
music under it. That's not, you know, anywhere

00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.900
near what you guys are doing. It needs to be

00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:36.800
protected because it's not right to not protect

00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.690
that legacy that you guys. built up from teenage

00:37:39.690 --> 00:37:43.230
teenagers. It's insane. So I'm glad you guys

00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:45.590
are having to take that step and are taking it.

00:37:45.949 --> 00:37:48.929
But it seems like there's a long legal battle

00:37:48.929 --> 00:37:52.130
ahead. Well, for example, this legal battle started

00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:59.190
in 2023 when Chad Gracie sued Ed. It took me

00:37:59.190 --> 00:38:02.010
a while to wake up to it because it was filed

00:38:02.010 --> 00:38:04.230
originally sealed, which for anybody watching

00:38:04.230 --> 00:38:06.250
means that I couldn't actually read the documents.

00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.320
So, yes, it's very complicated. It will probably

00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:14.480
take years to adjudicate. I think that's why

00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:16.659
I just like, you know, focused on, you know,

00:38:16.659 --> 00:38:19.739
my my personal health and, you know, my music

00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:23.179
and not like not to say that it's out of sight,

00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:29.340
out of mind. I, you know, like I'm every when

00:38:29.340 --> 00:38:32.559
like I'm not standing on stage with that unit

00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:36.719
of people. So it's not really for me to judge.

00:38:37.289 --> 00:38:40.010
you know, how they're doing or whatever. I have

00:38:40.010 --> 00:38:42.429
my opinion. I have my ears. I have all those

00:38:42.429 --> 00:38:45.750
things. But I don't think, like, I just don't

00:38:45.750 --> 00:38:48.469
think I should weigh in on that. Only from the

00:38:48.469 --> 00:38:50.130
sense of, like, you know, I wouldn't really weigh

00:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.449
in on any other artist. You know, if you've made

00:38:52.449 --> 00:38:55.989
it and you're tremendously successful and you've,

00:38:55.989 --> 00:38:57.829
you know, practiced your craft and done all those

00:38:57.829 --> 00:39:01.170
things, I wish you the best. It's just that for

00:39:01.170 --> 00:39:03.110
me, it's like, well, I wish you the best, but,

00:39:03.150 --> 00:39:04.969
you know, why don't you write your own damn hit

00:39:04.969 --> 00:39:08.000
songs? and form your own hit band, and then we'll

00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:12.639
see how you do. Right. So basically this is,

00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:18.300
if this goes through the way it is, since it

00:39:18.300 --> 00:39:21.079
seems like the four original members might never

00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.179
get back on a stage, I always said when you guys

00:39:23.179 --> 00:39:24.980
get inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,

00:39:25.059 --> 00:39:27.559
you will, because I know you guys will be inducted

00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.420
someday, that you guys would maybe get on the

00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:32.920
stage together, but I'm thinking maybe not at

00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:38.710
this point. is the idea then the band live would

00:39:38.710 --> 00:39:41.809
just then no longer be except for back catalogs

00:39:41.809 --> 00:39:43.909
and everything else there'd be no touring uh

00:39:43.909 --> 00:39:50.150
live going forward well we'll see it's funny

00:39:50.150 --> 00:39:52.650
because there is technically no live at least

00:39:52.650 --> 00:39:55.469
on stage right now legally right well i guess

00:39:55.469 --> 00:39:58.510
my question was that would be my lawyers or our

00:39:58.510 --> 00:40:01.849
lawyers position would be that there is no live

00:40:01.849 --> 00:40:07.099
it's it's not legitimate the only live Um, actually

00:40:07.099 --> 00:40:09.179
currently it's probably Chad Patrick and I, and

00:40:09.179 --> 00:40:13.739
we're not on stage. Right. Yeah. Well, I, I guess

00:40:13.739 --> 00:40:16.239
my, my thing was like, would there be a path?

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:19.280
Like say you guys weren't, um, to, to get on

00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.460
stage together. Would there be a path for Ed

00:40:21.460 --> 00:40:24.420
to keep that name and say, you guys maybe pick

00:40:24.420 --> 00:40:27.219
musicians that could represent your music properly,

00:40:27.260 --> 00:40:30.199
or if they did put out new music, maybe you guys

00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.760
had say on it or stuff like that, but that's

00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:36.389
kind of deep and fucking probably. What I think,

00:40:36.690 --> 00:40:40.590
you know, what my sort of like superior thinking

00:40:40.590 --> 00:40:42.969
in that moment thinks is like, well, one, I don't

00:40:42.969 --> 00:40:46.130
want to pigeonhole anything. I also think it's

00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:49.670
very important to establish that Chad, Chad,

00:40:49.809 --> 00:40:53.309
Ed, and Patrick are the founding members of Live.

00:40:53.469 --> 00:40:56.130
I don't want to, at this point, you know, take

00:40:56.130 --> 00:41:00.949
away from anyone's earnest credibility that they

00:41:00.949 --> 00:41:04.130
had from way back in the day. I did read some

00:41:04.130 --> 00:41:07.550
fans said, well, you know, Ed is live or Ed founded

00:41:07.550 --> 00:41:10.230
live or something, which is factually not correct.

00:41:10.489 --> 00:41:14.010
Yeah. You know, Jack Gracie, Patrick and myself,

00:41:14.190 --> 00:41:17.269
you know, founded the band and then Ed joined.

00:41:17.389 --> 00:41:20.230
I mean, and who even really cares? I mean, obviously,

00:41:20.250 --> 00:41:24.809
Ed was a substantial contributor to the music.

00:41:25.030 --> 00:41:28.750
But what I take personal offense to, which really

00:41:28.750 --> 00:41:30.889
has nothing to do with the legal fight, is just.

00:41:31.389 --> 00:41:36.429
The attempt by, well, I'll say the attempt to

00:41:36.429 --> 00:41:39.030
erase the substantial contributions that Jack

00:41:39.030 --> 00:41:41.269
Gracie, Patrick and myself made to the band.

00:41:42.610 --> 00:41:44.750
You know, that was part of like, for example,

00:41:44.750 --> 00:41:47.570
when Ed was returning to the band, you know,

00:41:47.570 --> 00:41:50.150
people ask about the turn all the time. But one

00:41:50.150 --> 00:41:53.309
of Ed's demands was that the turn be taken down.

00:41:53.769 --> 00:41:56.030
I wish I wouldn't have capitulated with that.

00:41:56.070 --> 00:41:57.730
But I mean, I promise you that you're going to

00:41:57.730 --> 00:42:00.650
see the turn again. yeah baby because the the

00:42:00.650 --> 00:42:03.429
board will you know vote in favor of re -releasing

00:42:03.429 --> 00:42:07.869
that album um i'm i'm 100 positive about that

00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:10.090
of course i would like christian's consent to

00:42:10.090 --> 00:42:14.110
be able to do that um and his blessing but you

00:42:14.110 --> 00:42:17.570
know like we are going to release music in some

00:42:17.570 --> 00:42:20.289
way shape or form uh whether that's the historical

00:42:20.289 --> 00:42:24.030
stuff from live and then the next thing is i

00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:26.590
really don't know what the future looks like

00:42:26.969 --> 00:42:30.010
I just don't. This is one of the reasons why

00:42:30.010 --> 00:42:33.849
I started Chad Taylor's Mercy Revival because

00:42:33.849 --> 00:42:37.349
I want to be on stage. I want to play music.

00:42:37.369 --> 00:42:39.409
I don't want to sit around and wait on this respectfully

00:42:39.409 --> 00:42:42.329
bullshit. That's why you guys put the shit in

00:42:42.329 --> 00:42:49.570
bullshit. Exactly. Chad, Gracie, anything you

00:42:49.570 --> 00:42:53.769
wanted to add to that? I think you covered it

00:42:53.769 --> 00:42:58.789
pretty well. I think one of the things that Chad

00:42:58.789 --> 00:43:01.010
Patrick and I are doing, trying to do, is protect

00:43:01.010 --> 00:43:03.469
our legacy as well. I mean, it seems readily

00:43:03.469 --> 00:43:08.349
apparent that in whatever promotional materials

00:43:08.349 --> 00:43:11.389
puts out, whatever interviews he does, Ed does

00:43:11.389 --> 00:43:15.590
not speak about us and does not give any... It's

00:43:15.590 --> 00:43:18.289
bizarre. Yeah, there's no credit for anything

00:43:18.289 --> 00:43:21.550
in the past for us, which is just crazy because

00:43:21.550 --> 00:43:23.449
I'll do it all day. I'll give him all the credit

00:43:23.449 --> 00:43:25.210
in the world for his great lyrics and melody

00:43:25.210 --> 00:43:28.110
and some of the song ideas he wrote and became

00:43:28.110 --> 00:43:32.110
laugh songs. But the three of us, Patrick Chad

00:43:32.110 --> 00:43:33.989
and I, get to get none of that from him. And

00:43:33.989 --> 00:43:38.429
I don't understand the deep, resented, deep -seated

00:43:38.429 --> 00:43:42.630
animosity that causes that. So can I... Hey,

00:43:42.670 --> 00:43:45.480
what are you doing? I wanted to hop off this

00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:49.440
and go to your new band, Chad. But I honestly

00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:54.139
believe that this was Ed Kowalczyk's plan from

00:43:54.139 --> 00:43:57.059
the moment you guys got back together. I believe

00:43:57.059 --> 00:43:59.940
it was 2016. I don't think it was ever sincere.

00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.820
I think he wanted to, for whatever happened between

00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:06.380
2009 and when you guys got back together, the

00:44:06.380 --> 00:44:09.599
talking and stuff and whatever, he had a vendetta,

00:44:09.619 --> 00:44:12.880
and this was his fucking plan to go in. and jack

00:44:12.880 --> 00:44:15.400
the band and get the name and fucking do it exactly

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:18.480
how he's doing it. I don't think it was sincere

00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.940
in at all. Do you got, and I thought about this

00:44:21.940 --> 00:44:23.280
for a minute. I don't know if I've ever voiced

00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:26.460
it to you, Chad Gracie, but do you guys think

00:44:26.460 --> 00:44:33.940
that at all? Or do you think I'm crazy? Well,

00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:38.840
what I will say is an interesting thing. I was

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.260
talking to one of the band's original managers.

00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.940
just in a casual conversation. And, you know,

00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.119
he reminded me, you know, there's a total reframing

00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.960
of what was the actual reality, which was Ed

00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.300
wanted to pursue a solo career all the way back

00:44:57.300 --> 00:45:01.139
in 2009 and essentially left us stranded without

00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:04.860
a vocalist. I describe it, you know, for me,

00:45:04.900 --> 00:45:09.800
I only relate it to me as a creator. You know.

00:45:11.409 --> 00:45:15.170
who, you know, I contributed substantial songs

00:45:15.170 --> 00:45:20.349
to this band. And at some point, you know, Ed

00:45:20.349 --> 00:45:22.449
just said, I don't want to write your songs anymore.

00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.489
And in some weird way, I mean, we were, it would

00:45:25.489 --> 00:45:27.889
be like a sexless marriage. Like there was like

00:45:27.889 --> 00:45:31.550
the intimacy was gone. Now I was being shut out

00:45:31.550 --> 00:45:35.170
from that process. And I mean, you know, it was

00:45:35.170 --> 00:45:38.949
very hurtful. It was painful. And you can tell

00:45:38.949 --> 00:45:42.719
I did some therapy work there. Yeah. It was painful.

00:45:43.579 --> 00:45:49.860
And and yet I still stuck by Ed, like meaning

00:45:49.860 --> 00:45:52.139
what I decided was that, you know, hey, like,

00:45:52.219 --> 00:45:54.139
I don't know. Bob Dylan didn't always have co

00:45:54.139 --> 00:45:56.519
-songwriters. Ed doesn't particularly have to

00:45:56.519 --> 00:45:59.760
have me as a co -songwriter. But yet one of the,

00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.599
you know, the signature aspects of the band,

00:46:01.699 --> 00:46:03.440
the Dammit Otter Peaks, the White Discussions,

00:46:03.500 --> 00:46:05.820
the Lee Keeney's Juice, whatever. Those are all

00:46:05.820 --> 00:46:07.360
the things that I brought to the band. Well.

00:46:07.869 --> 00:46:10.250
He's still playing those songs. Last night he

00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:12.030
opened the show, I guess it was last night, opened

00:46:12.030 --> 00:46:14.889
the show with Operation Spirit. I mean, I wrote

00:46:14.889 --> 00:46:17.289
that song. I delivered it literally to the band.

00:46:18.889 --> 00:46:22.010
So, and by the way, cool that the song's still

00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:23.949
there, but I guarantee you that if you took every

00:46:23.949 --> 00:46:26.289
song that I birthed and brought into this band

00:46:26.289 --> 00:46:27.929
and took out of the set list, it'd be the most

00:46:27.929 --> 00:46:31.530
boring show on planet Earth. Oh, yeah. And let's

00:46:31.530 --> 00:46:34.690
not forget granted the distance to hear a great

00:46:34.690 --> 00:46:36.989
album from you guys, but some of the best songs

00:46:36.989 --> 00:46:40.010
are not on that album because I guess he didn't

00:46:40.010 --> 00:46:43.010
want your heavily written songs on there. Like

00:46:43.010 --> 00:46:45.809
change is one I'm thinking of. There's, there's

00:46:45.809 --> 00:46:49.630
still aroused. Don't wait. Come on, bro. Yeah.

00:46:50.179 --> 00:46:53.079
I'm getting hard over here thinking about those

00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:55.480
songs just to let you know. That was an interesting

00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:58.840
thing. I had just gotten through, I think we

00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:04.000
just had our second child. And Ed said, you know,

00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:06.340
whatever, I'll handle mastering. I'll go to mastering.

00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:12.280
I always attended mastering. And, you know, I

00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.920
stayed at home and I got a FedEx in the mail.

00:47:17.130 --> 00:47:19.369
uh you know this before you could send email

00:47:19.369 --> 00:47:22.769
around the files or share file whatever and i

00:47:22.769 --> 00:47:24.949
got a fedex in the mail and i was so excited

00:47:24.949 --> 00:47:26.969
to hear the record very proud of everything we

00:47:26.969 --> 00:47:29.869
did speaking of christopher thorn he he made

00:47:29.869 --> 00:47:31.869
some great contributions to that record michael

00:47:31.869 --> 00:47:35.150
railton was uh on on that album and of course

00:47:35.150 --> 00:47:38.769
produced by jerry uh and we worked with uh stefan

00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:41.150
segmeister on their album cover it's one of my

00:47:41.150 --> 00:47:43.010
you know it's just a beautiful album everything

00:47:43.010 --> 00:47:47.489
yeah great i got the cd out i had just purchased

00:47:47.489 --> 00:47:50.949
a brand new conrad johnson stereo system with

00:47:50.949 --> 00:47:55.489
like amazing like primo speakers i was like getting

00:47:55.489 --> 00:47:58.170
into hi -fi or something at the time and you

00:47:58.170 --> 00:48:00.110
know i pressed play on the cd and it played down

00:48:00.110 --> 00:48:02.190
i was like oh my god like where are all my songs

00:48:02.190 --> 00:48:06.010
right and uh you know that was a tough reality

00:48:06.010 --> 00:48:12.190
it was uh now to be fair if you listen to the

00:48:12.190 --> 00:48:14.329
grouping of songs on the distance to here, I

00:48:14.329 --> 00:48:16.469
actually think it's pretty good. I think it is

00:48:16.469 --> 00:48:20.250
album. I'm not sure how to, how those other songs

00:48:20.250 --> 00:48:23.289
would fit in there. And so from that holistic

00:48:23.289 --> 00:48:26.869
approach, I don't think Ed was wrong, but what

00:48:26.869 --> 00:48:30.110
was wrong was the way that it was not communicated.

00:48:31.570 --> 00:48:35.429
Yeah. So, so you guys didn't, so when you say

00:48:35.429 --> 00:48:37.630
mastering, cause maybe not many people know what

00:48:37.630 --> 00:48:40.440
that is. That's like where. you get the actual

00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:42.739
final product that's going out to the masses?

00:48:43.980 --> 00:48:46.960
Yeah, so that's where the final assembly of the

00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:50.519
songs in order, final EQ compression. So you're

00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.559
essentially balancing the individual mixes of

00:48:53.559 --> 00:48:56.880
a song as a collective body. And then that body,

00:48:56.980 --> 00:49:00.579
back in the day when there were CDs made, they

00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:03.579
would create, I think it was called a Red List

00:49:03.579 --> 00:49:07.739
CD, and it was the final master. and the all

00:49:07.739 --> 00:49:11.460
and that was used to replicate all of the cds

00:49:11.460 --> 00:49:14.800
and so that would have determined the order and

00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:17.280
you know the way it was going to be made gotcha

00:49:17.280 --> 00:49:20.099
and and and by that point of course we were rushing

00:49:20.099 --> 00:49:22.579
into manufacturing so you know like there you

00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:27.360
go there's your album too late um it's it's interesting

00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.820
because there was a similar experience over um

00:49:30.820 --> 00:49:37.179
the uh like like for example the the songs from

00:49:37.179 --> 00:49:44.000
mountain uh was uh like i don't know suddenly

00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.239
like we got sent a record cover and it was like

00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.500
ed's back and he was like yeah the record label

00:49:48.500 --> 00:49:51.780
really wanted me on the cover i don't know you

00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:54.019
know and and at that point you know i can't be

00:49:54.019 --> 00:49:58.139
i just be honest i i could care less um you know

00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:00.019
i'm allowed my personal opinion but you know

00:50:00.019 --> 00:50:02.639
like that song the river is like utter dog shit

00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.280
it's one of the worst songs i've ever heard uh

00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:07.599
another embarrassment and should have never been

00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.639
under the moniker of live i'm disappointed for

00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:13.139
all the live fans that i allowed it to even be

00:50:13.139 --> 00:50:14.940
released i should have put my foot down back

00:50:14.940 --> 00:50:17.380
then but i was doing the same thing i was thinking

00:50:17.380 --> 00:50:19.360
well look we all have our moments we have different

00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:22.420
things so this is what ed's into like Here locally,

00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:24.320
I don't know if it's the same way across the

00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:27.500
country, but the river is where rock songs go

00:50:27.500 --> 00:50:29.880
to die. It's like the terrible radio station

00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.199
that no one wants to listen to unless you're

00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.880
an old fogey. So we're putting out a new song

00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:38.460
called The River? I'm like, what is going on?

00:50:38.860 --> 00:50:41.340
To me, that was the beginning of the end. That

00:50:41.340 --> 00:50:44.760
wasn't really a band album. And it exists under

00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.000
the same type of architecture where it's done

00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.039
very like sneakily where I don't even know if

00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.659
that's a word. But yeah, it is. Check me on that.

00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:56.480
But but but my point is, you know, it wasn't

00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.860
like we were sitting down and having earnest

00:50:58.860 --> 00:51:02.840
conversations as a group. In fact, one of the

00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.360
key things to know that things were going wrong

00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.800
was that we just stopped meeting as a unit. One

00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.820
of the reasons why we did that, I mean, Chad,

00:51:10.960 --> 00:51:12.599
you and I have talked about this, is because

00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.679
in that environment, Ed is not as powerful as

00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:18.380
when he isolates us. And of course, that's what

00:51:18.380 --> 00:51:21.760
he's trying to do today, I think. And that has

00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:23.679
nothing to do with legal proceedings. That's

00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:26.980
just how he perceives his power. But anyone with

00:51:26.980 --> 00:51:31.679
half understanding of psychology knows that that's

00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.570
the ultimate place of weakness. And I do not

00:51:35.570 --> 00:51:39.690
want to pick on Ed. This is a guy that I spent

00:51:39.690 --> 00:51:45.190
most of my life defending. And I'm not a turncoat

00:51:45.190 --> 00:51:48.869
kind of guy. I mean, it's just not my nature.

00:51:48.989 --> 00:51:51.510
I like the band. I've fought for the band almost

00:51:51.510 --> 00:51:53.650
my whole life. The fact that we're put in this

00:51:53.650 --> 00:51:56.969
position is unbelievable. But there's one common

00:51:56.969 --> 00:52:00.610
denominator. It's very consistent. I was going

00:52:00.610 --> 00:52:04.400
to say that. on piggybacking on chad saying he's

00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.460
about the band like i think the three chad patrick

00:52:06.460 --> 00:52:08.699
and i've always been about the band like we want

00:52:08.699 --> 00:52:11.119
the best for the band we wanted the band to go

00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:13.260
forward we wanted the band to stay together you

00:52:13.260 --> 00:52:15.880
were about the music not even the band well no

00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:17.960
no no no we were about the band the fucking unit

00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:21.019
of the band like that was that was our the three

00:52:21.019 --> 00:52:23.380
of ours that was our number one priority is the

00:52:23.380 --> 00:52:26.360
band okay ed's number ed's number one priority

00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:31.389
is ed period yeah the story i mean it's Yeah,

00:52:31.389 --> 00:52:36.769
it's clear, clear as day. So real quick though,

00:52:36.889 --> 00:52:40.250
so Chad Taylor, when you get the distance to

00:52:40.250 --> 00:52:41.969
hear back and your songs aren't on it, like,

00:52:41.969 --> 00:52:43.670
so what did you think though? Because there's

00:52:43.670 --> 00:52:45.989
no discussion about like the track listing on

00:52:45.989 --> 00:52:49.010
there. And then you probably had like 20 songs

00:52:49.010 --> 00:52:52.130
or something for that album. Like, did you, like,

00:52:52.170 --> 00:52:53.750
since you weren't going for the mastering part

00:52:53.750 --> 00:52:56.530
of it, did you not think to... like say hey what

00:52:56.530 --> 00:52:58.429
are we putting on here or were you thinking like

00:52:58.429 --> 00:53:00.869
hey they're not going to send me a full cd with

00:53:00.869 --> 00:53:02.869
it already tracked out we're going to have a

00:53:02.869 --> 00:53:06.949
discussion on it hey that's a great question

00:53:06.949 --> 00:53:11.489
um one that you know i probably worked on a little

00:53:11.489 --> 00:53:14.829
bit with my therapist which was you know why

00:53:14.829 --> 00:53:17.510
didn't i do a better job advocating for myself

00:53:17.510 --> 00:53:23.050
i will say this that i probably shut down emotionally

00:53:23.050 --> 00:53:27.369
like that i felt so hurt and that if Chad and

00:53:27.369 --> 00:53:29.550
Patrick weren't going to advocate for me, then

00:53:29.550 --> 00:53:33.190
I would just shut up. I kind of needed them as

00:53:33.190 --> 00:53:35.570
brothers in the moment, but yet I didn't tell

00:53:35.570 --> 00:53:37.949
them I was going through that emotion. So one

00:53:37.949 --> 00:53:41.110
of the problems and how resentments build in

00:53:41.110 --> 00:53:43.610
all relationships, this isn't just about a band,

00:53:43.809 --> 00:53:47.670
are those unspoken thoughts where you elected

00:53:47.670 --> 00:53:50.550
not to share, which I elected not to share how

00:53:50.550 --> 00:53:53.769
much that hurt. sure um i didn't share it with

00:53:53.769 --> 00:53:56.929
chad i didn't share it with patrick and uh and

00:53:56.929 --> 00:54:02.449
they you know at that point i think that i mean

00:54:02.449 --> 00:54:04.550
i just remember my personal life you know i was

00:54:04.550 --> 00:54:09.269
busy trying to make a family sure uh and i was

00:54:09.269 --> 00:54:11.210
like well i'll just put my effort in over there

00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:13.969
and i'll be the best you know guitarist on tour

00:54:13.969 --> 00:54:16.809
that i can be and i'll treat the fans well right

00:54:16.809 --> 00:54:20.969
try and be respectful to um the relationship

00:54:20.969 --> 00:54:27.630
to each member but yet i do admit that i was

00:54:27.630 --> 00:54:30.389
quietly building resentments like that i was

00:54:30.389 --> 00:54:34.349
thinking well how dare chad gracie like i wrote

00:54:34.349 --> 00:54:36.329
this song or whatever and contributed like how

00:54:36.329 --> 00:54:38.869
dare he not you know stick up for me and i've

00:54:38.869 --> 00:54:42.090
talked to him about this you know privately like

00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:44.889
it wasn't just his job to know that and then

00:54:44.889 --> 00:54:48.639
for example right when gracie gracie was always

00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:52.179
the best arbiter of i don't know i will say coolness

00:54:52.179 --> 00:54:54.739
or vibe or feel you know right in the middle

00:54:54.739 --> 00:54:57.000
working on the song that maybe i invested a whole

00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:59.460
bunch of time into or ed he might say well this

00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:02.719
is terrible i don't like it and and you know

00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:04.940
i i would probably say the vast majority of time

00:55:04.940 --> 00:55:09.480
he was right yeah and then eventually he got

00:55:09.480 --> 00:55:12.159
sick of being the asshole Well, I was going,

00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:14.400
you know, and by the way, he wasn't being an

00:55:14.400 --> 00:55:17.039
asshole. He was advocating for the art the way

00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.199
he heard it. But I was feeling the same way with

00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:22.380
like, well, if you don't like don't wait and

00:55:22.380 --> 00:55:25.179
you don't like change or still aroused by love,

00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.860
like then this just isn't my band. I still argue

00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:36.820
that live ended. Literally, the second day of

00:55:36.820 --> 00:55:40.059
the making of Throwing Copper, it was over. That

00:55:40.059 --> 00:55:43.380
was the end of the band and that everything else

00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:45.780
was just an aftershock of such having such a

00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:48.980
tremendously huge album and an incredible recording.

00:55:49.139 --> 00:55:52.079
I do believe that the spirit of the band walked

00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:56.079
out the door when Ed, you know, sat us down and

00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.300
he told us, you know, that he deserved the lion's

00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:02.039
share of musical publishing. Despite the fact

00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.539
that for years we had worked in a very specific

00:56:04.539 --> 00:56:07.380
architecture, even the writing of those songs.

00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:11.039
uh and it started with you know chad gracie shouldn't

00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:13.199
receive anything he plays the drums he's not

00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:17.440
a songwriter and then you know bro yeah and then

00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.039
patrick and i just basically saying well like

00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.260
oh my god this is crazy management was there

00:56:23.260 --> 00:56:27.639
uh you know it was ultimately ed he had a turtle

00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.659
named murdy and he grabbed murdy the turtle and

00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:33.380
went to pack it he i guess he was packing the

00:56:33.380 --> 00:56:35.420
turtle and his belongings into the back of his

00:56:35.420 --> 00:56:37.340
honda accord and he was about to drive home to

00:56:37.340 --> 00:56:41.239
lancaster we hadn't recorded a single note um

00:56:41.239 --> 00:56:44.360
and the band was really over then in spirit we

00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:48.420
were done uh you know and what ed said to me

00:56:48.420 --> 00:56:50.519
privately is like you know taylor you do your

00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.599
thing like you know you bring me songs we were

00:56:52.599 --> 00:56:54.679
you know we have this thing and i don't know

00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.539
what gracie does i don't know what dollheimer

00:56:56.539 --> 00:57:01.420
does wow wow and uh you know i want to just say

00:57:01.420 --> 00:57:04.860
this i was stuck like pickle in the middle one

00:57:04.860 --> 00:57:08.579
i was a terrible advocate for the issues that

00:57:08.579 --> 00:57:11.199
ed was facing because he did need someone to

00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:15.380
help um navigate this complexity because it is

00:57:15.380 --> 00:57:18.000
complex and then i was a terrible friend to chad

00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:20.480
and patrick and i just also want to say i'm the

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.280
oldest member of the band but they're still my

00:57:22.280 --> 00:57:26.300
peers we were boys like we were men And I was

00:57:26.300 --> 00:57:28.360
just going, well, like, can't some adult jump

00:57:28.360 --> 00:57:31.019
in here like David Sestak, our manager, Jerry

00:57:31.019 --> 00:57:34.260
Harrison was there. Can't someone explain to

00:57:34.260 --> 00:57:39.139
us, make this make sense? And I do really believe

00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:42.400
that Ed harbored resentment to all three of us

00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:46.199
ever since that day. Because, you know, we weren't

00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.440
going to, you know, give up. We were going to

00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.380
let go. We were like, you know, we're a band

00:57:50.380 --> 00:57:55.320
with these are our vibe was, you know. all in

00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:57.559
all for one now all of a sudden on the upon the

00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.500
making the record you want to do it differently

00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:05.179
yeah and that was very very tough and to be fair

00:58:05.179 --> 00:58:09.539
to ed okay because in some way shape or form

00:58:09.539 --> 00:58:15.219
uh you know there there were probably you know

00:58:15.219 --> 00:58:17.880
sophisticated lawyers and managers and other

00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:19.800
people that were around the band already at this

00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:22.619
point yeah vampires perhaps been counseling him

00:58:22.619 --> 00:58:26.590
not me his childhood bud you know with a guitar

00:58:26.590 --> 00:58:28.469
in my hand and I don't know I think I was still

00:58:28.469 --> 00:58:30.909
drooling playing the guitar like I was concentrating

00:58:30.909 --> 00:58:34.570
so hard so I got stuck in a very unfair position

00:58:34.570 --> 00:58:37.590
there and also like what was I going to do allow

00:58:37.590 --> 00:58:40.210
like Chad Gracie to be cut out of the publishing

00:58:40.210 --> 00:58:44.010
I mean hell no like I was just like no I what

00:58:44.010 --> 00:58:46.889
I'm disappointed in myself is that I didn't say

00:58:46.889 --> 00:58:49.269
if that's really how you feel get in your car

00:58:49.269 --> 00:58:50.949
and go home and then we just never made throwing

00:58:50.949 --> 00:58:53.659
copper Oh my God. What a different fucking world.

00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.639
But here, here's what the, so his thinking, Ed's

00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:59.579
thinking in a normal band is probably right.

00:58:59.739 --> 00:59:02.579
What do I need to pay the basis and the drummer

00:59:02.579 --> 00:59:05.199
and even the lead guitarist as much, you know,

00:59:05.199 --> 00:59:08.139
a quarter of what, you know, it is, but they're

00:59:08.139 --> 00:59:10.579
not such an integral part of the band. It was

00:59:10.579 --> 00:59:13.840
you guys together, the way you gelled as musicians

00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.780
that fucking made it all fucking so bomb and

00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:21.269
perfect. And so, you know, you can see as the

00:59:21.269 --> 00:59:24.449
lead singer, what am I paying the bassist and

00:59:24.449 --> 00:59:25.989
drummer this for? I'll just cut them out, get

00:59:25.989 --> 00:59:28.429
some other people do their job just as well.

00:59:28.530 --> 00:59:31.429
No, you can't. They're not fucking Chad Gracie.

00:59:31.429 --> 00:59:33.630
They're not Patrick Delheimer. They're not Chad

00:59:33.630 --> 00:59:37.210
Taylor. And it's clear, dude, that, you know,

00:59:37.230 --> 00:59:41.090
when you guys stop being all four in the room,

00:59:41.269 --> 00:59:43.469
picking the songs, writing the music together,

00:59:43.550 --> 00:59:45.869
and everybody bringing ideas to the table, that

00:59:45.869 --> 00:59:49.619
the music just fell. way off and as a fan because

00:59:49.619 --> 00:59:52.980
you guys are my favorite band i was like embarrassed

00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:55.719
to defend your later albums like i still had

00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:57.760
appreciation for him because you know i'm a fan

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.159
of your music but people will be like what he's

01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:02.340
talking about jimmy buffett and your dad like

01:00:02.340 --> 01:00:03.940
what what is he singing over here and i'm like

01:00:03.940 --> 01:00:06.539
yeah it's awesome you gotta love it so it's just

01:00:06.539 --> 01:00:09.320
like it's crazy that he like even if you're the

01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:12.159
biggest egomaniac in the world if you don't see

01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.800
that what you're doing now is nothing compared

01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:19.059
to what was being done back in the day. It blows

01:00:19.059 --> 01:00:22.019
my mind. Like I cannot believe that people can

01:00:22.019 --> 01:00:24.619
be that blind to their own shit. It's crazy.

01:00:24.980 --> 01:00:28.639
And the fact that you guys had the magic sauce,

01:00:28.739 --> 01:00:31.940
the whole magic recipe to be, you know, one of

01:00:31.940 --> 01:00:33.980
the best bands that come out of the nineties

01:00:33.980 --> 01:00:37.510
and you're all four still healthy. You're all

01:00:37.510 --> 01:00:40.329
four still fucking could pick up and do it, and

01:00:40.329 --> 01:00:43.070
it's just not there, not happening. It sucks,

01:00:43.309 --> 01:00:47.389
dude. Well, I'll go on record and say this, which

01:00:47.389 --> 01:00:50.630
is that there is one consistent magic and special

01:00:50.630 --> 01:00:53.889
sauce, and that is Chad Gracie, Patrick Dahlheimer,

01:00:53.889 --> 01:00:56.730
and Chad Taylor. That's it. Boom. Period. Boom.

01:00:56.789 --> 01:00:59.030
You know, we didn't need Ed when we did The Gracious

01:00:59.030 --> 01:01:01.349
Few. I didn't need Ed when I was producing hit

01:01:01.349 --> 01:01:04.269
records. you know, outside the band or writing

01:01:04.269 --> 01:01:07.309
hit songs. So, you know, that's just the reality.

01:01:07.489 --> 01:01:10.650
Gracious Few, we had two top 10 singles. i i

01:01:10.650 --> 01:01:12.829
know ed hasn't had that with his solo career

01:01:12.829 --> 01:01:16.449
so it is not the same and in fact actually one

01:01:16.449 --> 01:01:18.650
of the most insulting things ever was when ed

01:01:18.650 --> 01:01:21.590
you know decided to fire me via social media

01:01:21.590 --> 01:01:25.150
which obviously had no right to do but where

01:01:25.150 --> 01:01:27.849
he said you know like you'll never stop the music

01:01:27.849 --> 01:01:30.230
again i was thinking hold on you're you're the

01:01:30.230 --> 01:01:32.769
guy that pursued your solo career and left and

01:01:32.769 --> 01:01:34.789
then begged to come the hell back in the band

01:01:34.789 --> 01:01:37.550
like i don't Like, what do I have to do with

01:01:37.550 --> 01:01:40.030
stopping the music? Like, you know, write a song.

01:01:40.030 --> 01:01:43.449
Like, do something productive. You know, that's

01:01:43.449 --> 01:01:48.030
my take on it. And, you know, I still know that

01:01:48.030 --> 01:01:51.650
my legacy as a songwriter is always going to

01:01:51.650 --> 01:01:54.309
be tied to Jack Gracie, Patrick Dahlheimer, and

01:01:54.309 --> 01:01:58.380
Ed Kowalczyk. But I will say that I've also worked

01:01:58.380 --> 01:02:01.079
with some fantastic other vocalists in Kevin

01:02:01.079 --> 01:02:04.360
Martin and in Chris Shin. It's not just that

01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:07.260
one thing. We have done it. We've showed that

01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:11.280
we can do it amongst a large, wide swath of people.

01:02:11.659 --> 01:02:15.860
And, you know, I think in some weird way that

01:02:15.860 --> 01:02:18.360
we're one of the rare bands that could do that.

01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:23.429
For example, you know, I saw that. the the current

01:02:23.429 --> 01:02:25.989
touring version of live is out doing and they're

01:02:25.989 --> 01:02:27.969
doing run to the water like patrick brought that

01:02:27.969 --> 01:02:31.170
song to the band which which other bands are

01:02:31.170 --> 01:02:33.969
out there you know where the bassist the guitar

01:02:33.969 --> 01:02:37.230
player uh and the even the vocalist are bringing

01:02:37.230 --> 01:02:39.230
songs into the band that's the thing that made

01:02:39.230 --> 01:02:44.050
live so great the beatles another fun yeah the

01:02:44.050 --> 01:02:47.630
beatles you know bands like that yeah we're just

01:02:47.630 --> 01:02:52.760
i know Someone will take this as, I just want

01:02:52.760 --> 01:03:00.880
to say, I was the biggest fan of Ed. I was his

01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:04.239
biggest fan, his biggest proponent. Believed

01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:07.059
in the guy. I was brave enough. I had different

01:03:07.059 --> 01:03:08.920
than the other guys. I had the opportunity to

01:03:08.920 --> 01:03:11.239
go to a private school. I could have went to

01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:15.360
Merseysburg Academy. I was invited onto the swim

01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:17.579
team there. I could have left. I could have probably

01:03:17.579 --> 01:03:19.880
pursued law. There's a lot of different stuff

01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:22.840
that I could have done. I left that all go. I

01:03:22.840 --> 01:03:25.039
mean, I told the swim coach at Mercesburg Academy,

01:03:25.260 --> 01:03:27.360
I literally was like, well, I have a band and

01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.179
like these are my brothers and like I can't leave

01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:34.639
them behind. You know, a huge component of that

01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:38.420
is, you know, my whatever kindergarten bud Ed,

01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:41.059
right? I mean, I know that he sacrificed for

01:03:41.059 --> 01:03:43.619
us too, right? He got a full scholarship into

01:03:43.619 --> 01:03:47.360
American University. which is no slack college

01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:51.139
it's an incredible school and uh that was the

01:03:51.139 --> 01:03:53.840
point we all sacrificed together chad gracie's

01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:56.840
very point we were about the band about the collective

01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:01.099
and you know that's an inconvenient truth for

01:04:01.099 --> 01:04:03.300
someone that wants to take credit for you know

01:04:03.300 --> 01:04:07.360
i don't know kind of everything um i know that

01:04:07.360 --> 01:04:10.320
there's you know like a five -part video series

01:04:10.320 --> 01:04:14.929
that was put out on social media about Ed writing

01:04:14.929 --> 01:04:16.949
Lightning Crashes. Well, let me just say this.

01:04:17.030 --> 01:04:19.489
First of all, I wrote the entirety of the bridge

01:04:19.489 --> 01:04:23.070
of that song, which I will tell you sits right

01:04:23.070 --> 01:04:26.269
at the epicenter of the song and helps it transition

01:04:26.269 --> 01:04:29.309
from a minor modality into a major modality.

01:04:30.190 --> 01:04:33.050
I'm happy to sit in front of a jury and explain

01:04:33.050 --> 01:04:35.809
how I wrote that and why I wrote that to do that

01:04:35.809 --> 01:04:38.090
and why the song feels so uplifting when you

01:04:38.090 --> 01:04:41.289
hit the end. That's my contribution. Like, I

01:04:41.289 --> 01:04:44.210
know I brought that. You know, I'm happy to sit

01:04:44.210 --> 01:04:46.309
there with a guitar and explain, like, how all

01:04:46.309 --> 01:04:49.289
the parts were to be played around it. That's

01:04:49.289 --> 01:04:51.190
my country. Like, you can hear it. It's in the

01:04:51.190 --> 01:04:53.170
middle of the thing. So don't tell the world

01:04:53.170 --> 01:04:55.429
that I didn't contribute to that. That is not

01:04:55.429 --> 01:04:59.510
fair. It's not fair. It's not truthful. And it

01:04:59.510 --> 01:05:02.250
reeks of, you know, sort of like cowardice or

01:05:02.250 --> 01:05:04.289
something. That's how I really feel about it.

01:05:04.309 --> 01:05:08.550
It's like, what a coward wouldn't say that. It

01:05:08.550 --> 01:05:12.489
reeks of loser mentality. Yeah, look, when Ed

01:05:12.489 --> 01:05:14.389
walked in the room and he sat down with that

01:05:14.389 --> 01:05:18.869
guitar and he strummed lightning crashes, I thought,

01:05:19.010 --> 01:05:23.210
oh, my God, I almost fell over. Right. He did

01:05:23.210 --> 01:05:26.530
do that. That is the reality. But there was no

01:05:26.530 --> 01:05:30.289
chorus to the song, okay? And there was no bridge

01:05:30.289 --> 01:05:33.050
to the song. There was no big outro. None of

01:05:33.050 --> 01:05:35.880
those things existed. But yet, if you were to

01:05:35.880 --> 01:05:38.380
watch the videos that are online, you would believe

01:05:38.380 --> 01:05:40.679
that he walked in with the whole band in the

01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:42.219
room and said, hey, I came up with this beautiful

01:05:42.219 --> 01:05:46.059
thing and here it goes. I am not discrediting

01:05:46.059 --> 01:05:50.739
what he did do. It's just that that is a lie.

01:05:50.960 --> 01:05:53.940
It's literally a lie. And Adam, I don't really

01:05:53.940 --> 01:05:56.480
care what anybody says about it. And then the

01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:00.760
other thing about it is it's not only. what's

01:06:00.760 --> 01:06:03.300
being said in the public but it's backed up by

01:06:03.300 --> 01:06:07.559
contracts so meaning contracts where we add all

01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:10.880
sign as publishers or songwriters on it and say

01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.400
okay this is the percentage that we wrote right

01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:15.480
those are signed agreements now what are you

01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.139
gonna now you're gonna present something completely

01:06:17.139 --> 01:06:19.840
different to the public i mean that's just it's

01:06:19.840 --> 01:06:22.559
not fair it's just it's just simply not fair

01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:25.960
it's not fair it's not right and it makes it's

01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:29.449
it's like a loser mentality like Give credit

01:06:29.449 --> 01:06:32.389
where credit is due, especially when his contribution

01:06:32.389 --> 01:06:35.909
was so big anyway. Like, why take away, you know,

01:06:35.929 --> 01:06:38.449
what was such a huge part of that? It just, it

01:06:38.449 --> 01:06:41.949
blows my mind. Like, I just don't get it. You

01:06:41.949 --> 01:06:43.730
know, it's like. Certainly pushing other people

01:06:43.730 --> 01:06:48.349
down does not rise you up. Correct. And I think

01:06:48.349 --> 01:06:49.769
when you guys were, and like you were saying,

01:06:49.849 --> 01:06:51.889
Gracie was kind of pushing back and he got sick

01:06:51.889 --> 01:06:53.630
of it because he didn't want to be a dick. Meanwhile,

01:06:53.730 --> 01:06:55.670
he wasn't being a dick. He's protecting the music.

01:06:56.159 --> 01:06:57.719
But I think, and you were saying like during

01:06:57.719 --> 01:06:59.179
the distance here, like you weren't fighting

01:06:59.179 --> 01:07:02.059
for your songs at that point. Maybe you guys,

01:07:02.119 --> 01:07:05.079
the three of you, the two Chads and Patrick's,

01:07:05.079 --> 01:07:08.199
didn't maybe fully know your worth at that point

01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:10.579
and kind of what you brought. And then you realized

01:07:10.579 --> 01:07:12.320
that when you guys did make the turn and you

01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:14.719
guys did make the gracious view, you guys were

01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.559
the fucking, the band. Yeah, you had a great

01:07:17.559 --> 01:07:20.300
lead singer who could write fucking great melodies

01:07:20.300 --> 01:07:23.860
and good lyrics and bring his own songs to the

01:07:23.860 --> 01:07:27.699
band as well. It's clear that every song on The

01:07:27.699 --> 01:07:30.260
Gracious Few, banger, start to finish, the whole

01:07:30.260 --> 01:07:32.880
album, the turn, start to finish, banger of an

01:07:32.880 --> 01:07:36.019
album. You guys haven't had that since, I mean,

01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:37.940
I love the distance of the year, so I'll say

01:07:37.940 --> 01:07:39.440
since the distance of the year, but really since

01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:41.380
like Secret Samadhi. You know what I'm saying?

01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:47.670
And it's just, it's clear. i don't know i i like

01:07:47.670 --> 01:07:49.909
if i was ed i would fucking put my pride aside

01:07:49.909 --> 01:07:51.710
and be like yeah i need my brothers i need my

01:07:51.710 --> 01:07:53.849
boys my friends i grew up with and we should

01:07:53.849 --> 01:07:57.929
fucking somehow try to bury the hatchet uh yeah

01:07:57.929 --> 01:08:01.909
it's interesting there's definitely much more

01:08:01.909 --> 01:08:04.329
of that brotherhood spirit with christian i'll

01:08:04.329 --> 01:08:07.130
just be honest and up front uh you know like

01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:11.630
i got back kevin martin it's just like i i just

01:08:11.630 --> 01:08:16.029
i mean first of all he's just flat out has an

01:08:16.029 --> 01:08:19.010
amazing voice uh you know it's just brilliant

01:08:19.010 --> 01:08:22.770
and like i said he's aged into his voice not

01:08:22.770 --> 01:08:25.210
out of it and yeah you know there's something

01:08:25.210 --> 01:08:27.949
very youthful about that you know higher register

01:08:27.949 --> 01:08:32.989
um and it's just i will say this so once i was

01:08:32.989 --> 01:08:37.170
putting together um you know my new project my

01:08:37.170 --> 01:08:43.529
new band yes it's the very first time that I've

01:08:43.529 --> 01:08:47.529
worked on music, you know, where I'm contemplating

01:08:47.529 --> 01:08:50.310
as a band without Chad Gracie and without Patrick.

01:08:52.010 --> 01:08:55.569
And boy, is that something new and really hard

01:08:55.569 --> 01:08:59.590
and intimidating. Sure. Talk about taking things,

01:08:59.590 --> 01:09:03.909
you know, for granted. And then it's been really

01:09:03.909 --> 01:09:05.909
interesting to work with a group of musicians

01:09:05.909 --> 01:09:09.229
because we do play live songs. We play gracious

01:09:09.229 --> 01:09:12.710
few songs. We play brand new material. But what's

01:09:12.710 --> 01:09:15.010
interesting is as we're working on the more,

01:09:15.090 --> 01:09:18.449
I'll say classic cover versions of what the songs

01:09:18.449 --> 01:09:22.289
are, is the respect that Gracie and Dallheimer

01:09:22.289 --> 01:09:25.229
draw out of the rest of the band. And for a matter

01:09:25.229 --> 01:09:31.170
of fact, Ed too. Just with each musician having

01:09:31.170 --> 01:09:35.399
to kind of learn those parts, it's... because

01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:37.779
i'm working you know i'm i guess i'm working

01:09:37.779 --> 01:09:40.199
sort of as a mentor teacher or whatever in that

01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:43.319
position i've also had to address it like oh

01:09:43.319 --> 01:09:46.180
hold on what does gracie really play here yeah

01:09:46.180 --> 01:09:48.180
one of the guys in the band actually looked at

01:09:48.180 --> 01:09:49.979
me and they were like wait you don't know that

01:09:49.979 --> 01:09:51.899
and i was like yeah i just like took it for granted

01:09:51.899 --> 01:09:54.220
like you know you needed a good beat gracie played

01:09:54.220 --> 01:09:57.140
it i don't you know well what's he doing and

01:09:57.140 --> 01:09:59.319
i alone well you know all of a sudden like you

01:09:59.319 --> 01:10:01.939
said if it's not being played correctly boy you

01:10:01.939 --> 01:10:04.420
really sense it it's like oh And I actually looked

01:10:04.420 --> 01:10:06.859
at the guy, our drummer. I'm not going to say

01:10:06.859 --> 01:10:09.500
the band members' names yet because management

01:10:09.500 --> 01:10:12.560
has asked me to hold some things back. But I

01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.140
looked at the drummer in the middle of playing

01:10:14.140 --> 01:10:18.000
Lightning Crashes. And Gracie plays this very

01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:19.680
unique thing where he's going back and forth

01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:22.720
on the hi -hat, left, right, left, right. And

01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.199
the guy was not doing that. And then I just motioned

01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:26.640
to him, took my hands off the guitar and showed

01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:28.119
him. And the second he did, he was like, oh,

01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:30.420
yeah, that's great. And then afterwards, I said,

01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.960
you know, he has a whole YouTube. video channel

01:10:32.960 --> 01:10:34.779
showing all these drum parts and the guy's like

01:10:34.779 --> 01:10:37.720
I gotta check that out yeah that's what I did

01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:42.180
it for yeah exactly thank you Chad and and also

01:10:42.180 --> 01:10:45.239
you know people should know I've been real up

01:10:45.239 --> 01:10:49.939
front with my my uh new project Chad Taylor's

01:10:49.939 --> 01:10:55.020
Mercy Revival about saying that you know I only

01:10:55.020 --> 01:10:57.060
have a handful of guys that I started playing

01:10:57.060 --> 01:11:01.550
with uh and met at the age of 13 and that's chad

01:11:01.550 --> 01:11:03.430
gracie and patrick dollheimer and they're always

01:11:03.430 --> 01:11:06.050
going to hold a priority spot in my life so for

01:11:06.050 --> 01:11:09.810
example there is room where uh chad patrick maybe

01:11:09.810 --> 01:11:11.850
christian and i could get in a room and like

01:11:11.850 --> 01:11:14.670
make noise or do something in the meantime i

01:11:14.670 --> 01:11:16.829
kind of look at this as like you know my joe

01:11:16.829 --> 01:11:20.229
perry project or slash his snake fit or whatever

01:11:20.229 --> 01:11:23.640
um You know, I don't think that anybody in Slash

01:11:23.640 --> 01:11:25.520
has been, you know, I think they're all pretty

01:11:25.520 --> 01:11:27.779
realistic that if Guns N' Roses is called, he's

01:11:27.779 --> 01:11:29.479
going to have to go and do the Guns N' Roses

01:11:29.479 --> 01:11:32.840
gig. My guys all understand that. And in the

01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:35.380
meantime, you know, it's a great way to, one,

01:11:35.439 --> 01:11:37.960
write new songs, reconnect with music. Everyone

01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:40.380
knows how important that is to me. And then,

01:11:40.380 --> 01:11:43.140
two, like, learn some other musicians. Like,

01:11:43.159 --> 01:11:47.000
you know, I'm 55. Since the age of 13, I've really

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:49.520
worked with Chad Gracie and Patrick Dahlheimer.

01:11:49.819 --> 01:11:52.350
You know, a handful. of other singers but it

01:11:52.350 --> 01:11:55.289
is interesting to like go out into the world

01:11:55.289 --> 01:11:57.750
and expand that a little bit and i'm really talking

01:11:57.750 --> 01:11:59.770
about here where i'm not being an album producer

01:11:59.770 --> 01:12:03.710
but in fact being a member of a band right um

01:12:03.710 --> 01:12:07.250
quick question here so or a statement actually

01:12:07.250 --> 01:12:10.109
because again the turn was such a great album

01:12:10.109 --> 01:12:13.189
but i think since it was a live album it kind

01:12:13.189 --> 01:12:16.409
of divided your fan base like the ed fans and

01:12:16.409 --> 01:12:19.449
then the ccp fans So I think if that album was

01:12:19.449 --> 01:12:22.130
put out like The Gracious Few or like a different

01:12:22.130 --> 01:12:25.149
band name, I think that would have been so well

01:12:25.149 --> 01:12:27.930
received. But I think the negative connotation

01:12:27.930 --> 01:12:30.930
on that was like the fucking Ed Kowalczyk, you

01:12:30.930 --> 01:12:34.470
know, fucking taint lickers, you know, had negative

01:12:34.470 --> 01:12:36.949
things to say on it. Because, I mean, that is

01:12:36.949 --> 01:12:39.829
a killer fucking album, dude. Sirens call. Let's

01:12:39.829 --> 01:12:45.130
go. Anyway, just a statement by me. Yeah, so

01:12:45.130 --> 01:12:47.189
talk to me about Mercy Revival, Chad Taylor's

01:12:47.189 --> 01:12:49.949
Mercy Revival. Do you mind if I play a little

01:12:49.949 --> 01:12:51.850
bit of Honest Man for the audience? Sure, man,

01:12:51.909 --> 01:12:57.010
why not? I did post it. Yeah, buddy. This is

01:12:57.010 --> 01:12:59.090
cool, man. I love this rendition, so you guys

01:12:59.090 --> 01:13:01.890
are in for a treat right here. Chad Taylor's

01:13:01.890 --> 01:13:04.829
Music Revival, Mercy Revival, I'm sorry, Honest

01:13:04.829 --> 01:14:19.199
Man. Yeah, can you hear me? Yeah. Only because

01:14:19.199 --> 01:14:21.239
it's like getting distorted and stuff. That is

01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:23.460
fucking badass, dude. That's why I didn't play

01:14:23.460 --> 01:14:25.079
the whole thing. I want people to go and actually

01:14:25.079 --> 01:14:29.300
check out what you put out. Yeah, so what management,

01:14:29.619 --> 01:14:32.899
basically how this came about, the whole project

01:14:32.899 --> 01:14:37.500
is I was. I started working on Chad Taylor and

01:14:37.500 --> 01:14:39.840
friends. I learned new versions of our songs.

01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:41.819
I was trying to figure out how to front a band,

01:14:41.939 --> 01:14:46.239
which was work. I should have done years and

01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.140
years before, because if anything, what it had

01:14:49.140 --> 01:14:51.359
me, you know, like understanding and respecting

01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:53.760
the Kevin Martins, the Christians, and even the

01:14:53.760 --> 01:14:56.180
eds of the world is to stand at that microphone.

01:14:56.659 --> 01:14:59.140
There is a whole different responsibility happening

01:14:59.140 --> 01:15:02.399
up there. And actually had I not done that. you

01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:04.359
know, there's a nod to getting sober in there,

01:15:04.420 --> 01:15:08.279
which is, I mean, I know if I was, you know,

01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:10.159
if I was just a guitar player, I would have gotten

01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:12.199
away with that show. Like, you know, I might

01:15:12.199 --> 01:15:14.060
have been sloppy, but I would have gotten away

01:15:14.060 --> 01:15:15.899
with it. It was because I had to talk into the

01:15:15.899 --> 01:15:18.539
microphone. I was like slurring my words and

01:15:18.539 --> 01:15:22.979
stuff. And so then I decided to take a little

01:15:22.979 --> 01:15:27.119
time off, period, from music and, you know, work

01:15:27.119 --> 01:15:29.890
on my mental health. And during that time, I

01:15:29.890 --> 01:15:31.989
was really thinking to myself, well, what am

01:15:31.989 --> 01:15:36.149
I going to do? Like, what does my future with

01:15:36.149 --> 01:15:39.229
music look like? Because I know it's really important.

01:15:39.710 --> 01:15:43.289
And so I had an internal discussion with myself

01:15:43.289 --> 01:15:48.149
about the feeling of being on stage. And what

01:15:48.149 --> 01:15:51.210
I was really missing was the ability to look

01:15:51.210 --> 01:15:55.310
left or right. and to see my brothers in the

01:15:55.310 --> 01:15:57.869
band and enjoy that like musical moment with

01:15:57.869 --> 01:15:59.770
them and i'm telling you when you're at that

01:15:59.770 --> 01:16:02.970
front microphone that is a really really tall

01:16:02.970 --> 01:16:06.270
task you're thinking um well i know for me like

01:16:06.270 --> 01:16:09.810
uh you know i'd i'd be in the middle of uh you

01:16:09.810 --> 01:16:12.170
know a thought i'd see somebody in the audience

01:16:12.170 --> 01:16:14.310
i knew or something and i'd think about it and

01:16:14.310 --> 01:16:16.770
about a second later i was forgetting a word

01:16:17.479 --> 01:16:20.380
i was like oh my god like this is it's a nightmare

01:16:20.380 --> 01:16:22.840
and when you forget one i mean i i know this

01:16:22.840 --> 01:16:26.300
sounds weird you're it's like a train wreck um

01:16:26.300 --> 01:16:29.659
so that was a new experience and then all of

01:16:29.659 --> 01:16:30.920
a sudden i was thinking to myself i was like

01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:33.039
well what i miss really doing is being on stage

01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:36.979
and having fun and part of having fun is i love

01:16:36.979 --> 01:16:41.840
to play the guitar i'm a guitarist so i was on

01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:46.340
the phone with the uh my manager And I was telling

01:16:46.340 --> 01:16:48.640
him about this, about like how I want to move

01:16:48.640 --> 01:16:50.239
forward and how I want to approach things. And

01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:52.880
he said, well, I know a fantastic guy that I

01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:54.600
think that has a voice would work great with

01:16:54.600 --> 01:16:57.659
your music. Wait a second. Is this the dude from

01:16:57.659 --> 01:17:02.600
Van Halen singing? I'm not going to reveal the

01:17:02.600 --> 01:17:05.939
singer's name today because I got to withhold.

01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:08.600
I've learned from Taylor Swift. You got to, you

01:17:08.600 --> 01:17:11.520
know, hold some stuff. But because hold on, because

01:17:11.520 --> 01:17:14.909
I didn't I list this song like three times. And

01:17:14.909 --> 01:17:17.569
by the third time, like, that sounds like David

01:17:17.569 --> 01:17:20.750
Lee Roth when, like, I heard him do, like, some

01:17:20.750 --> 01:17:23.069
solo, like, blues stuff. And I'm like, that sounds

01:17:23.069 --> 01:17:26.270
like his voice. And then I'm like, then I heard

01:17:26.270 --> 01:17:27.750
some of your live stuff. I will say this, that

01:17:27.750 --> 01:17:31.569
when, you know, in time, in time, the guy's going

01:17:31.569 --> 01:17:35.390
to come out. But he's been, he's become a tremendous

01:17:35.390 --> 01:17:41.329
friend. And he's been so supportive. of uh my

01:17:41.329 --> 01:17:44.590
vision for music and so i never worked like this

01:17:44.590 --> 01:17:47.250
like uh you know when you work with kevin martin

01:17:47.250 --> 01:17:49.850
kevin martin has a very distinct unique way of

01:17:49.850 --> 01:17:53.010
singing and going in whereas here i was taking

01:17:53.010 --> 01:17:56.170
guide vocals and then sending it to the our singer

01:17:56.170 --> 01:18:00.350
and he was like oh let me make this better and

01:18:00.350 --> 01:18:02.770
so like for example an honest man it's a great

01:18:02.770 --> 01:18:05.960
example like i didn't have the vocal skills uh

01:18:05.960 --> 01:18:08.840
you know he goes up on the second verse and he

01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:10.420
sings higher and higher towards the end of the

01:18:10.420 --> 01:18:13.859
song well i can't do that i mean in my head it

01:18:13.859 --> 01:18:15.939
would sound great if it did it well then it's

01:18:15.939 --> 01:18:18.760
like all of a sudden you know i will be honest

01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:21.199
with you it was the middle of the night when

01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:23.960
i got my first like return track after he had

01:18:23.960 --> 01:18:26.640
sang and i was sitting here at my kitchen table

01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:28.359
with some headphones on and i started yelling

01:18:28.359 --> 01:18:30.359
out loud and i woke up the whole house because

01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:33.140
like i kind of knew i found my my voice i found

01:18:33.140 --> 01:18:38.279
the guy And by this point, you know, that is

01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:40.680
such an important thing. It's integral. Are you

01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.880
going to connect with this person's voice and

01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:46.800
their soul? And then we started moving in. The

01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:49.880
next experiment was, well, OK, well, he can clearly

01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.520
sing a Gracious Fuse song. Can he sing, you know,

01:18:54.539 --> 01:18:56.640
one of the live songs? And then we went through

01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:59.140
that. And then that I think we did I Alone first.

01:18:59.840 --> 01:19:02.100
And that just turned out amazing. And then I

01:19:02.100 --> 01:19:04.560
was like, oh, hold on. I think like I got my

01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:07.399
guy. I'm calling the manager and saying, you

01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:11.039
know, like originally it was can I just have

01:19:11.039 --> 01:19:13.819
this guy sing on a song? I wasn't contemplating

01:19:13.819 --> 01:19:17.239
a band. Let's be clear. And then all of a sudden

01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:20.159
I was like, oh, would he be up for doing a band?

01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:23.460
And then I went to the other people that had

01:19:23.460 --> 01:19:25.300
been playing with me and I said, well, look,

01:19:25.319 --> 01:19:28.319
we have to keep on rehearsing. And so this all

01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:30.079
was building and building and building until

01:19:30.079 --> 01:19:32.060
we finally went in the studio and we recorded

01:19:32.060 --> 01:19:39.140
16 songs in one day. What? Yeah. One day. That's

01:19:39.140 --> 01:19:43.300
crazy. Wow. It was pretty crazy. It's unlike

01:19:43.300 --> 01:19:46.159
anything else ever. So we did two days of rehearsal,

01:19:46.439 --> 01:19:50.840
back to back, and on we took what was supposed

01:19:50.840 --> 01:19:52.760
to originally be a day off. We just went in the

01:19:52.760 --> 01:19:55.779
studio first thing in the morning and we played

01:19:55.779 --> 01:19:59.010
that. same set list or thing that we rehearsed

01:19:59.010 --> 01:20:02.210
front to back in some cases you know maybe the

01:20:02.210 --> 01:20:04.949
max was three takes but usually two takes and

01:20:04.949 --> 01:20:07.890
then hey move on so everything that you're hearing

01:20:07.890 --> 01:20:11.930
is so spontaneous and happened on the spot um

01:20:11.930 --> 01:20:15.069
you know and by the way there's some flubs and

01:20:15.069 --> 01:20:16.949
some mistakes and some of that coolness that

01:20:16.949 --> 01:20:20.050
like makes yeah you know a recording come to

01:20:20.050 --> 01:20:24.489
life yeah and uh you know when all the legal

01:20:24.489 --> 01:20:27.109
drama and all that stuff hit I was like, you

01:20:27.109 --> 01:20:29.989
know, I'm about music. I just want to I want

01:20:29.989 --> 01:20:31.750
to show people I've been, you know, behind the

01:20:31.750 --> 01:20:35.289
scenes working on music. And then the next thing

01:20:35.289 --> 01:20:37.909
is and then out in blue, suddenly I'm on stage

01:20:37.909 --> 01:20:41.369
with Christian. I'm also then, you know, having

01:20:41.369 --> 01:20:45.189
conversations with Chuck Gracie about, you know,

01:20:45.210 --> 01:20:47.149
what does that look like for us? How can we do

01:20:47.149 --> 01:20:50.750
our creative thing? So the point is to say yes

01:20:50.750 --> 01:20:56.060
to making music and having fun. yes making sure

01:20:56.060 --> 01:20:59.060
that the spirit of get backs and resentment all

01:20:59.060 --> 01:21:03.180
that is over on the other side um we're not i'm

01:21:03.180 --> 01:21:05.340
not letting that in my camp i'm not letting it

01:21:05.340 --> 01:21:08.380
happen in my musical universe i want to keep

01:21:08.380 --> 01:21:11.399
everything focused forward and on you know being

01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.539
the best integral person i can be I know I have

01:21:14.539 --> 01:21:17.300
my flaws, my mistakes, still owning up for those,

01:21:17.359 --> 01:21:21.239
apologizing, and also now trying to be a better

01:21:21.239 --> 01:21:23.079
band leader. You know, I didn't have to lead

01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:25.560
Jack Gracie. I didn't have to lead Patrick. I

01:21:25.560 --> 01:21:29.020
mean, that's the reality. Those guys, you know,

01:21:29.039 --> 01:21:31.039
when we were young and naive, we were young and

01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:32.960
naive together. When we were more experienced,

01:21:33.140 --> 01:21:37.420
we were more experienced together. And I don't

01:21:37.420 --> 01:21:39.579
know. And then, you know, the future's wide open.

01:21:39.680 --> 01:21:41.680
Tom Petty wrote it, but I'm trying to live it.

01:21:42.590 --> 01:21:47.109
So I love that. Good saying. Out of those 16

01:21:47.109 --> 01:21:51.350
songs, Chad, how many are newer ones that you

01:21:51.350 --> 01:21:55.369
made as opposed to recreations of your songs?

01:21:55.770 --> 01:22:00.250
Well, OK, so I wrote 24 brand new songs and then

01:22:00.250 --> 01:22:04.329
I have like slowly whittled that down to ones

01:22:04.329 --> 01:22:06.590
that I thought that the band should focus on

01:22:06.590 --> 01:22:12.390
early. I know this like one of the things I didn't

01:22:12.390 --> 01:22:14.630
want to do was go out and stand on stage and

01:22:14.630 --> 01:22:17.229
not honor the history of live and the gracious

01:22:17.229 --> 01:22:20.369
few. For sure. I know that it's difficult to

01:22:20.369 --> 01:22:22.189
stand there and listen to a whole set of all

01:22:22.189 --> 01:22:24.289
brand new songs. So I was like, let's just make

01:22:24.289 --> 01:22:26.090
sure that the new stuff that we're peppering

01:22:26.090 --> 01:22:28.550
it in. So there's currently there are six brand

01:22:28.550 --> 01:22:31.569
new songs recorded, but there's a whole bastion

01:22:31.569 --> 01:22:34.789
of songs and perhaps even some that Jack Gracie

01:22:34.789 --> 01:22:38.199
or Patrick will want to play on. And then others

01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:40.680
that are more appropriate for, you know, this

01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:44.239
particular band, Mercy Revival. And I want to

01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:47.159
say to everybody that, you know, naming a band

01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.000
is like horrible. It's the worst thing because

01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:53.220
one, you can internet search and somebody has

01:22:53.220 --> 01:22:56.500
everything taken. And by the way, you know, I

01:22:56.500 --> 01:22:58.760
mean, you could be argued live is either one

01:22:58.760 --> 01:23:00.680
of the best names or one of the very worst names.

01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:04.840
So, you know, that's out there. But with Mercy

01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:08.460
Revival, I wanted to take a shot at, first of

01:23:08.460 --> 01:23:11.899
all, there were so many people along this journey

01:23:11.899 --> 01:23:16.279
that even some people that I really viewed as

01:23:16.279 --> 01:23:23.560
aggressors towards me or adversaries or against

01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.739
me. And as I got sober and I started doing the

01:23:26.739 --> 01:23:29.039
12 steps, which is part of that is you have to

01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:32.300
reach out to even those people, I wound up with...

01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:37.079
Men, real men and some incredible women, but

01:23:37.079 --> 01:23:40.060
men like Jack Gracie saying, oh, brother, I love

01:23:40.060 --> 01:23:41.880
you. I was just waiting on you to come home.

01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:46.800
You know, these are like really important things.

01:23:47.119 --> 01:23:50.579
And so it was through his support, Patrick's

01:23:50.579 --> 01:23:53.560
support, Christian's support, all these people

01:23:53.560 --> 01:23:55.819
that I just never really thought would ever,

01:23:55.859 --> 01:23:59.359
I don't know, even talk to me again that I felt

01:23:59.359 --> 01:24:04.680
suddenly supported. protected, lifted up. And

01:24:04.680 --> 01:24:07.260
so that's where mercy came from, right? Because

01:24:07.260 --> 01:24:09.479
that goes right along with that. I did get a

01:24:09.479 --> 01:24:11.520
little mercy. And then in terms of being revived,

01:24:11.899 --> 01:24:15.119
I am revived. I'm brand new. I'm whole again.

01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:19.600
And by the way, there is an opportunity. I just

01:24:19.600 --> 01:24:21.579
want to say this. There's an opportunity for

01:24:21.579 --> 01:24:26.329
healing. Even with Mr. Kowalczyk, there is always

01:24:26.329 --> 01:24:29.449
a chance to heal. There's always a chance to

01:24:29.449 --> 01:24:31.770
mend fences. There's always a chance to offer

01:24:31.770 --> 01:24:33.909
forgiveness. It doesn't mean that everything

01:24:33.909 --> 01:24:36.430
has to be forgotten or swept away, but there

01:24:36.430 --> 01:24:38.149
is an ability to look at each other and say,

01:24:38.210 --> 01:24:40.090
I don't know, this is just bullshit and put it

01:24:40.090 --> 01:24:43.649
down. It's all there for the taking. I'm up for

01:24:43.649 --> 01:24:45.949
it. Gracie's up for it. Dallheimer's up for it.

01:24:47.840 --> 01:24:51.140
Again, no getbacks, no resentments, no place

01:24:51.140 --> 01:24:53.279
like that. Oh, yeah, do I have some tough stories

01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:55.880
from the past where my poor little boy heart

01:24:55.880 --> 01:24:58.579
got broken? Sure. But, you know, I'm also over

01:24:58.579 --> 01:25:03.399
that. Right. Yeah, bygones be bygones, past is

01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:06.100
the past, and fucking see what's going on. But

01:25:06.100 --> 01:25:09.539
it seems like somebody's got a vendetta on their

01:25:09.539 --> 01:25:14.510
mind. uh seems like he's out for blood all that

01:25:14.510 --> 01:25:17.430
jazz but uh dude i'm i'm serious the uh that

01:25:17.430 --> 01:25:19.850
rendition of honest man is is awesome i'm excited

01:25:19.850 --> 01:25:23.149
to figure out uh who's in the band so i like

01:25:23.149 --> 01:25:25.590
how you're holding some things close to the chest

01:25:25.590 --> 01:25:31.090
um which is cool um and you so you plan on putting

01:25:31.090 --> 01:25:33.170
an album out it seems and then you want to get

01:25:33.170 --> 01:25:35.229
on stage and do a little tour with this i'm guessing

01:25:35.229 --> 01:25:41.000
yes our goal is to be a hardcore touring band

01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:44.420
uh one of the you know differences that happens

01:25:44.420 --> 01:25:47.100
in life i i had children very young in the band

01:25:47.100 --> 01:25:51.579
so my my daughters are now adults and uh they're

01:25:51.579 --> 01:25:56.359
all in their 20s and uh you know i uh i missed

01:25:56.359 --> 01:25:59.140
a lot of the years of them being little and while

01:25:59.140 --> 01:26:02.560
i was on the road etc but now that they're grown

01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:06.939
and and out of the house uh well i'm like well

01:26:06.939 --> 01:26:09.880
it's time for daddy to make music so i want to

01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:14.319
get on the road uh as you know really as soon

01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:17.439
as humanly possible uh interesting enough from

01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:19.420
just putting up that honest man song i had a

01:26:19.420 --> 01:26:21.979
couple different promoters from our past like

01:26:21.979 --> 01:26:24.359
reach out to me on instagram and say hey you

01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:26.199
know i'm interested in booking you or whatever

01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:29.659
we're finally ready for shows so the next our

01:26:29.659 --> 01:26:32.300
step uh you know in working with management is

01:26:32.300 --> 01:26:37.000
to get an agency We're in light discussions with

01:26:37.000 --> 01:26:40.399
a record label. And we'll probably release some

01:26:40.399 --> 01:26:45.380
songs. And then, you know, just like everything,

01:26:45.579 --> 01:26:48.460
the old school music industry is out. But I will

01:26:48.460 --> 01:26:51.079
say this. I'm all into physical product. Like,

01:26:51.079 --> 01:26:54.560
I want an album. I want physical CDs, cassettes,

01:26:54.579 --> 01:26:57.420
and vinyl. You know, I'm not really interested

01:26:57.420 --> 01:26:59.979
in the streaming. Don't do cassettes. Don't do

01:26:59.979 --> 01:27:02.039
cassettes. You know, funny enough. Cassettes

01:27:02.039 --> 01:27:04.880
are a very hot thing amongst younger people right

01:27:04.880 --> 01:27:06.899
now. Are you serious? They're super hot again.

01:27:07.079 --> 01:27:10.159
Oh, yeah. Why? They don't even sound good. You

01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:13.060
hear, like, the hiss and shit. Oh, man, sometimes

01:27:13.060 --> 01:27:16.260
that hiss just makes you feel good. Yeah, I get

01:27:16.260 --> 01:27:19.100
that with the records, that needle click or whatever.

01:27:19.220 --> 01:27:22.260
People are turned on by that, too. Yeah, well,

01:27:22.460 --> 01:27:25.180
yeah, I listen. Funny enough, one of the Christmas

01:27:25.180 --> 01:27:29.239
gifts I got from my daughter, Ruby Lou, a couple

01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:34.090
years ago was a turntable. And I dug out my old

01:27:34.090 --> 01:27:36.050
record collection, which is so funny because

01:27:36.050 --> 01:27:38.090
I can't help but look at that record collection

01:27:38.090 --> 01:27:41.050
and think of Jack Gracie and I in my boyhood

01:27:41.050 --> 01:27:42.909
bedroom when, like, I don't know, we had the

01:27:42.909 --> 01:27:45.369
Pretty in Pink soundtrack or the Smiths. All

01:27:45.369 --> 01:27:47.930
those are our albums. And I have to put them

01:27:47.930 --> 01:27:51.890
on the player. And I had my old Pioneer stereo

01:27:51.890 --> 01:27:54.050
that had tubes in it and stuff, you know, stuff

01:27:54.050 --> 01:27:55.810
that like at one point you were like, oh, this

01:27:55.810 --> 01:27:57.970
is our kick. Now I'm like, oh, well, that's all

01:27:57.970 --> 01:28:01.020
in vogue. And I wish I had all that stuff. Yeah.

01:28:01.020 --> 01:28:05.619
Yeah. I mean, so fans and, you know, lovers of

01:28:05.619 --> 01:28:08.479
music can expect a more organic approach. And

01:28:08.479 --> 01:28:12.039
the next thing about how I designed this, too,

01:28:12.119 --> 01:28:13.680
is that, you know, look, we're going to sound

01:28:13.680 --> 01:28:15.859
great in a hundred seat club and we're going

01:28:15.859 --> 01:28:17.680
to sound awesome in, you know, a twenty five

01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:22.760
thousand person festival. And, you know, it and

01:28:22.760 --> 01:28:26.140
most importantly, live fans. are going to be

01:28:26.140 --> 01:28:27.840
able to come out and hear the songs that they

01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:29.699
love but have, you know, some brand -new songs

01:28:29.699 --> 01:28:31.680
sprinkled in there too. This has got to be about

01:28:31.680 --> 01:28:36.319
new music. And, you know, I've had that mentality

01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.500
all along. But, you know, we did an interesting

01:28:39.500 --> 01:28:41.619
thing, Chad and I, when we had The Gracious Few.

01:28:43.220 --> 01:28:47.020
Like, we disallowed ourselves from playing live

01:28:47.020 --> 01:28:49.699
or playing Candlebox songs. And in some weird

01:28:49.699 --> 01:28:52.239
ways, it would have made the shows easier. Like,

01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:55.720
promoters would have understood, well, When I

01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:58.079
get the Gracious Few, they play a couple of Candlebox

01:28:58.079 --> 01:29:00.159
hits, a couple of live hits. Oh, and their brand

01:29:00.159 --> 01:29:03.079
new album. Why didn't we allow ourselves the

01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:05.020
permission to do that? That's my whole point.

01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:06.600
That's what I'm doing with this project. I've

01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:08.539
just given myself permission to play the songs

01:29:08.539 --> 01:29:12.220
in my history. And live fans should know, I've

01:29:12.220 --> 01:29:15.279
told Chad Gracie this to him personally. Wait,

01:29:15.340 --> 01:29:17.300
hold on real quick. If he comes out to a show,

01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:20.899
he is getting on the drums. It's happening. Like,

01:29:20.899 --> 01:29:23.079
you know, if Patrick Dallhammer comes out or

01:29:23.079 --> 01:29:25.720
Christian or Kevin Martin, whoever, this is a

01:29:25.720 --> 01:29:28.680
place where everybody can feel safe and feel

01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:30.399
that they're going to be honored and that they

01:29:30.399 --> 01:29:33.399
are always have a place and a position on our

01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:37.079
stage. Bam. So wait, were you guys doing the

01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:39.340
John Fogerty thing where he wouldn't play like

01:29:39.340 --> 01:29:41.739
Creedence songs in concert? Like, was it like

01:29:41.739 --> 01:29:45.640
on a merit thing? Like you didn't want to. Wow.

01:29:45.760 --> 01:29:47.920
We wanted we wanted the new music to speak for

01:29:47.920 --> 01:29:50.699
itself. And, you know. bucking our old bands

01:29:50.699 --> 01:29:54.619
and that shit. Hey, so Jesse Diaz has asked this

01:29:54.619 --> 01:29:56.859
question twice. Put this up. John, you see this?

01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:04.739
Is it this right here? Yeah. Just for the listening

01:30:04.739 --> 01:30:06.960
audience out there that can't see, Jesse Diaz

01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:09.380
says, what happened with live between March 2020

01:30:09.380 --> 01:30:12.800
and when Chad T was fired? It seemed like if

01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:15.199
the pandemic didn't happen, live would have continued

01:30:15.199 --> 01:30:18.039
and gone to Australia. What do we think of that?

01:30:18.489 --> 01:30:21.989
Well, I can't, all I can do is describe to you

01:30:21.989 --> 01:30:26.350
from my perspective, actually just probably 20

01:30:26.350 --> 01:30:28.310
feet from where I'm talking in this microphone.

01:30:28.329 --> 01:30:32.649
I was sitting on the couch and Patrick Dahlheimer

01:30:32.649 --> 01:30:34.529
sent me a text and said, hey, you might want

01:30:34.529 --> 01:30:38.789
to look at Ed's social media. And, you know,

01:30:38.789 --> 01:30:41.029
so I opened Instagram or whatever it was and

01:30:41.029 --> 01:30:44.149
it was like, you know, Chad Taylor's fired. You

01:30:44.149 --> 01:30:46.109
know, he'll never stop the music again, all this

01:30:46.109 --> 01:30:49.520
stuff. I hadn't even talked to Ed. I still haven't

01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:52.220
ever since then. I never have even communicated

01:30:52.220 --> 01:30:56.880
with him. What I hear is that he was upset. What

01:30:56.880 --> 01:30:59.380
I hear is that he was upset about my opinion

01:30:59.380 --> 01:31:02.220
about that horrific lightning crashes dance remix.

01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:07.880
Now, look, to be fair, I didn't ever tell Ed

01:31:07.880 --> 01:31:10.319
I didn't like it. I just said, I don't understand

01:31:10.319 --> 01:31:14.020
dance music. I don't like I don't know. I'm not

01:31:14.020 --> 01:31:16.500
your target audience. I'm not buying dance music

01:31:16.500 --> 01:31:22.479
songs. And, of course, just from a legal perspective

01:31:22.479 --> 01:31:24.279
so everybody understands this, there are four

01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:27.220
shareholders of the original corporation. If

01:31:27.220 --> 01:31:29.699
I were to be removed, right, it would have to

01:31:29.699 --> 01:31:31.779
go through a shareholder vote and all this, like,

01:31:31.779 --> 01:31:34.979
official stuff. But I didn't really – once I

01:31:34.979 --> 01:31:38.539
had seen Ed write that, I was like, well, that's

01:31:38.539 --> 01:31:41.100
not a person for me. Like, this is just not –

01:31:41.100 --> 01:31:44.000
you're not a person that, like, I even want to

01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:47.970
know. It reminded me of – Oh, what's that great

01:31:47.970 --> 01:31:49.989
Mike Myers movie, you know, where he's always

01:31:49.989 --> 01:31:52.869
putting up his pinky or the powers. Yeah. Where

01:31:52.869 --> 01:31:56.489
he's Dr. Evil or whatever. And he asked for like

01:31:56.489 --> 01:31:58.949
one million dollars total ransom for the world

01:31:58.949 --> 01:32:01.750
or whatever. Yeah. Kind of what it felt like

01:32:01.750 --> 01:32:07.109
when I saw that Ed fired me. So I so to answer

01:32:07.109 --> 01:32:09.670
the question directly, I still don't know. I

01:32:09.670 --> 01:32:12.270
still don't really have a clue. And at this point,

01:32:12.310 --> 01:32:14.939
I mean, really, who cares? i think ed showed

01:32:14.939 --> 01:32:17.479
his true colors to the world then this is the

01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:20.420
guy that i'd known since kindergarten that's

01:32:20.420 --> 01:32:22.479
just like oh boy i'm like you know i don't really

01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:27.640
think i want to know him anymore and and to be

01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:32.000
i want to just say this if ed had carried forward

01:32:32.000 --> 01:32:36.319
with uh chad gracie and patrick um you know i

01:32:36.319 --> 01:32:39.529
don't i just eventually stumbled onto you know

01:32:39.529 --> 01:32:41.430
chad taylor and friends and then chad taylor's

01:32:41.430 --> 01:32:44.449
mercy revival i was gonna find my own way right

01:32:44.449 --> 01:32:47.250
um i i didn't really care about that i trust

01:32:47.250 --> 01:32:51.930
my own songwriting and my own skills um and you're

01:32:51.930 --> 01:32:56.329
not wrong in that i think that live could have

01:32:56.329 --> 01:32:59.130
easily sailed off into the sunset just like you

01:32:59.130 --> 01:33:02.010
know like so many quote -unquote legacy bands

01:33:02.010 --> 01:33:04.640
do We could have kept playing those songs. We

01:33:04.640 --> 01:33:06.079
could have written new songs. There's a million

01:33:06.079 --> 01:33:09.119
different things we could do. But this shows

01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:12.300
you the strangeness of what we were actually

01:33:12.300 --> 01:33:14.859
dealing with that like that all of a sudden is

01:33:14.859 --> 01:33:17.720
like the logical thing. You know, there are very

01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:24.220
few famous musicians or artists who have like

01:33:24.220 --> 01:33:28.960
carried forward on their own. and then tried

01:33:28.960 --> 01:33:33.340
to use what was known as a band. So Sting has

01:33:33.340 --> 01:33:38.380
massive hit albums outside of the police. He

01:33:38.380 --> 01:33:41.520
is also the acknowledged songwriter of the vast

01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:45.119
majority of police songs. But yet Sting doesn't

01:33:45.119 --> 01:33:48.180
tour and call himself the police. He knows the

01:33:48.180 --> 01:33:52.100
value of having Summers and Copeland with him.

01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:55.119
So it is a very strange thing then to turn around

01:33:55.119 --> 01:33:57.859
and go, oh, well, the guy I grew up with is doing

01:33:57.859 --> 01:34:04.020
that with our band. I mean, it's a very strange

01:34:04.020 --> 01:34:07.800
reality. I don't quite know why we're set to

01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:11.760
deal with it. It is a shame for the fans. The

01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:13.659
fans are definitely right to say that, where

01:34:13.659 --> 01:34:15.359
people are just like, I'm embarrassed by this

01:34:15.359 --> 01:34:18.939
whole situation. they're totally right. They're

01:34:18.939 --> 01:34:21.800
not wrong. It is utterly, it's horrific. It's

01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:24.119
embarrassing. But yet at the same time, it's

01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:27.560
like, well, you know, I mean, obviously we're

01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.920
some part of the cause. Ed clearly hates Chad

01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:33.520
Gracie, hates Patrick and hates me. I mean, that's

01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.220
the reality. I think it comes down to like literally

01:34:36.220 --> 01:34:40.380
vitriol, hatred, whatever it is. You know, and

01:34:40.380 --> 01:34:42.880
that's my opinion about how he's acted and behaved

01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:47.100
towards me. I don't love that. I would like to

01:34:47.100 --> 01:34:49.699
be forgiven or whatever, but I don't really ever

01:34:49.699 --> 01:34:51.619
see that happening, to be honest with you, because

01:34:51.619 --> 01:34:54.079
that means that person would have to do the hard

01:34:54.079 --> 01:34:56.119
work and heavy lifting themselves. And I don't

01:34:56.119 --> 01:34:57.800
think that hard work and heavy lifting is being

01:34:57.800 --> 01:35:01.239
done. And to add on chat, I don't want to talk

01:35:01.239 --> 01:35:03.939
about earlier about that time when, you know,

01:35:03.939 --> 01:35:07.359
when he was when Ed made that announcement. So

01:35:07.359 --> 01:35:10.300
on the backside of that, Ed came to me basically

01:35:10.300 --> 01:35:13.619
through Bill Hines and said that he and Chad

01:35:13.619 --> 01:35:15.909
had this big fight. And I was like, oh, OK. And

01:35:15.909 --> 01:35:18.310
at the time, as everyone knows, Chad and I were

01:35:18.310 --> 01:35:20.449
not getting along. We had disagreements over

01:35:20.449 --> 01:35:22.569
various things, which we've all worked out. And

01:35:22.569 --> 01:35:26.029
that's all good. But so Ed, Ed, I think, recognized

01:35:26.029 --> 01:35:28.670
that breakdown of communication between Chad

01:35:28.670 --> 01:35:30.989
and I, which was, you know, Ed is all about divide

01:35:30.989 --> 01:35:33.470
and conquer. So that's exactly what he did. He

01:35:33.470 --> 01:35:35.069
came to me and told me they had this big blow

01:35:35.069 --> 01:35:37.069
up. And of course, I wasn't going to call Chad

01:35:37.069 --> 01:35:40.329
and verify that. So Ed knew that. And I was like,

01:35:40.390 --> 01:35:42.789
OK, well, you know, I mean, I want to go on tour.

01:35:42.829 --> 01:35:46.130
Let's go on tour. So that's how that deal was

01:35:46.130 --> 01:35:48.909
made. And then Ed's reference to having 55 %

01:35:48.909 --> 01:35:52.890
is that at the time, the way the company behind

01:35:52.890 --> 01:35:56.430
the Sun Touring was set up, you know, Ed had

01:35:56.430 --> 01:35:59.810
40%, Chad had 30, I had 15, Patrick had 15. But

01:35:59.810 --> 01:36:03.010
we didn't, funny thing is, as Chad has pointed

01:36:03.010 --> 01:36:06.369
out, Chad, Patrick, and I did not own those units

01:36:06.369 --> 01:36:09.409
individually. They were owned by ThinkCloud Holdings.

01:36:09.949 --> 01:36:14.250
So I didn't even have the ability to vote. Thank

01:36:14.250 --> 01:36:21.149
God, actually. Ed never even followed the governance

01:36:21.149 --> 01:36:26.729
of the Behind the Sun touring LLC. So that whole

01:36:26.729 --> 01:36:30.670
action was not legal in any way. So it's funny

01:36:30.670 --> 01:36:34.289
to look back on, but it lends back to what you

01:36:34.289 --> 01:36:37.149
were saying earlier, John, about Ed, this whole

01:36:37.149 --> 01:36:41.279
thing allegedly being Ed's... vendetta strategy

01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:43.920
from the beginning is to take over the band and

01:36:43.920 --> 01:36:45.560
then get rid of everybody and that's exactly

01:36:45.560 --> 01:36:49.000
what he's kind of done at this point yeah i was

01:36:49.000 --> 01:36:51.600
going to ask you guys this too but chad uh taylor

01:36:51.600 --> 01:36:53.739
kind of answered it earlier where he said like

01:36:53.739 --> 01:36:56.199
and you brought this up a couple times uh gracie

01:36:56.199 --> 01:36:58.960
that uh the writing was kind of on the wall for

01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:01.260
the band being done around throwing copper time

01:37:01.260 --> 01:37:05.060
and but it just didn't get as deep into uh what

01:37:05.060 --> 01:37:07.039
taylor was saying about it But so I was going

01:37:07.039 --> 01:37:09.000
to ask you guys, like, did you see this behavior

01:37:09.000 --> 01:37:13.380
coming from him? Like where he could potentially

01:37:13.380 --> 01:37:15.779
just end up hating you guys and trying to fuck

01:37:15.779 --> 01:37:18.199
you out of like business and earnings and stuff

01:37:18.199 --> 01:37:20.659
like that. Did you see this like at all? Because

01:37:20.659 --> 01:37:23.239
from an outsider looking in, it's like, it seems

01:37:23.239 --> 01:37:26.539
absurd. Like you're like four childhood friends,

01:37:26.760 --> 01:37:29.659
fucking make music together. And then this happens,

01:37:29.760 --> 01:37:32.460
but. so you would think maybe there was writing

01:37:32.460 --> 01:37:33.859
on the wall and that's why i'm asking did you

01:37:33.859 --> 01:37:36.520
guys see any we may have seen signs but as i

01:37:36.520 --> 01:37:39.119
said we were blindly devoted to the band so we

01:37:39.119 --> 01:37:41.020
may have seen things and actually chad and i've

01:37:41.020 --> 01:37:42.720
discussed we have looked back and gone oh yeah

01:37:42.720 --> 01:37:45.960
that was yeah go there and there and there like

01:37:45.960 --> 01:37:49.260
fuck you we just didn't either recognize it or

01:37:49.260 --> 01:37:51.779
chose not to see it because we're like the band

01:37:51.779 --> 01:37:55.060
the band the band has to go forward right at

01:37:55.060 --> 01:37:59.100
least from my perspective you know yeah and you

01:37:59.100 --> 01:38:03.710
know fame celebrity success whatever you know

01:38:03.710 --> 01:38:07.189
you put that literally in a capsule and there

01:38:07.189 --> 01:38:12.430
were four boys from york and uh it got you know

01:38:12.430 --> 01:38:15.630
we got launched into space and there's no um

01:38:15.630 --> 01:38:22.289
well they lost that technology so there is there

01:38:22.289 --> 01:38:25.689
is no reference to how to come back to earth

01:38:25.689 --> 01:38:29.640
how to do all those things So, you know, in that

01:38:29.640 --> 01:38:32.000
regard, I think that all four members of the

01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:37.560
band should have some defense. I think also Ed

01:38:37.560 --> 01:38:40.100
experienced fame at a level that certainly I

01:38:40.100 --> 01:38:46.319
didn't. And I think that there is some psychological

01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:51.199
protections that happen that are natural. And

01:38:51.199 --> 01:38:55.760
I feel like... you know like to balance things

01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:57.680
out i should always like you know acknowledge

01:38:57.680 --> 01:38:59.840
like the good that human beings have brought

01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.560
into the world like i mean it's not all bad right

01:39:03.560 --> 01:39:06.140
you say were there signs i mean i was honestly

01:39:06.140 --> 01:39:08.960
paying attention to the signs of good like right

01:39:08.960 --> 01:39:12.930
wow like we're doing like look at uh You know,

01:39:12.930 --> 01:39:17.430
like, for example, the depth of person that I

01:39:17.430 --> 01:39:19.729
would believe that I am would not be the same

01:39:19.729 --> 01:39:21.930
if it wasn't for the contributions of Ed. For

01:39:21.930 --> 01:39:24.689
example, when Ed discovered Christian Merti and

01:39:24.689 --> 01:39:28.270
turned me on to Christian Merti, I mean, Ed discovering

01:39:28.270 --> 01:39:30.130
Christian Merti and turning me on to it changed

01:39:30.130 --> 01:39:33.689
my life. I mean, I'm not the same person without

01:39:33.689 --> 01:39:36.409
that, right? So I was looking at those signs.

01:39:37.250 --> 01:39:40.329
Anybody that's out there that has a relationship

01:39:40.329 --> 01:39:42.729
of any depth, especially, you know, I'll just

01:39:42.729 --> 01:39:44.949
say this, where people are like living together

01:39:44.949 --> 01:39:47.750
and codependent in some way or shape or another

01:39:47.750 --> 01:39:49.689
to each other, you recognize that you cannot

01:39:49.689 --> 01:39:53.720
walk around looking for the bad signs. yeah so

01:39:53.720 --> 01:39:56.619
you know in that relationship i was always looking

01:39:56.619 --> 01:39:58.539
for the good signs like for example i'll tell

01:39:58.539 --> 01:40:00.439
you something that i just always loved about

01:40:00.439 --> 01:40:05.319
ed like ed loves candy he loves candy he would

01:40:05.319 --> 01:40:06.880
always show up on the tour buses with little

01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:10.739
secret stashes of candy he just loved and he

01:40:10.739 --> 01:40:14.239
loved to share sweets like it's it it's like

01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:18.300
it's not all bad people It's not all bad. We

01:40:18.300 --> 01:40:20.659
can't ever frame any human being as being all

01:40:20.659 --> 01:40:23.880
that. One of the things I learned, you know,

01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:26.079
through the experiences, through this whole thing,

01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:28.720
was where I might have framed somebody as all

01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:32.060
good or all bad. And as it turns out, you know,

01:40:32.060 --> 01:40:34.199
I had to learn about myself. Like, I'm definitely

01:40:34.199 --> 01:40:37.539
not a judge worthy person. Like, I shouldn't

01:40:37.539 --> 01:40:39.359
be judging others and I don't want them to judge

01:40:39.359 --> 01:40:43.819
me. So the same should be held true for Ed. Like,

01:40:43.840 --> 01:40:46.260
I didn't live in his shoes. I don't have his

01:40:46.260 --> 01:40:49.199
experience. Yes, we were bandmates. We were all

01:40:49.199 --> 01:40:53.699
those things. Nevertheless, it shouldn't excuse

01:40:53.699 --> 01:40:56.880
deplorable behavior. Right. So there is like

01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:00.579
some fine line there. And yes, that's me in therapy

01:41:00.579 --> 01:41:03.739
working on that and figuring out. Like, for example,

01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:07.720
I had one therapist say to me, it's okay to forgive

01:41:07.720 --> 01:41:11.800
people. but careful forgiving those that manipulated

01:41:11.800 --> 01:41:15.439
you. So, you know, and I do really feel like

01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:17.819
in some way I was manipulated. I bet Ed feels

01:41:17.819 --> 01:41:19.880
the same way. I bet you Gracie feels that way.

01:41:19.899 --> 01:41:22.439
I bet you Patrick feels that way. You know, we

01:41:22.439 --> 01:41:24.500
all feel manipulated. And by the way, we were

01:41:24.500 --> 01:41:29.939
in a massive system making huge companies, hundreds

01:41:29.939 --> 01:41:33.439
of millions of dollars. We were all manipulated.

01:41:33.800 --> 01:41:37.149
Let's be clear. You know, we were all. you know,

01:41:37.189 --> 01:41:39.649
wrapped up in that. That's everything from, you

01:41:39.649 --> 01:41:42.550
know, Viacom and MTV down to Universal Music

01:41:42.550 --> 01:41:46.630
to Live Nation, all those massive companies that

01:41:46.630 --> 01:41:49.850
are publicly traded. The reality is, you know,

01:41:49.890 --> 01:41:53.550
we help their stock look good through ticket

01:41:53.550 --> 01:41:56.029
sales, record sales, merchandise sales, all those

01:41:56.029 --> 01:41:59.350
things. So in some way, we were a commodity,

01:41:59.569 --> 01:42:02.489
right? And it's only natural, right, to look

01:42:02.489 --> 01:42:04.489
at the lead singer and say, well, he must be

01:42:04.489 --> 01:42:07.630
the head. tip of that commodity and therefore

01:42:07.630 --> 01:42:10.489
i could definitely see situations where perhaps

01:42:10.489 --> 01:42:15.649
he was the most manipulated amongst us and that's

01:42:15.649 --> 01:42:18.010
maybe where i carry a little guilt just as his

01:42:18.010 --> 01:42:20.449
friend like hey maybe i should have done a better

01:42:20.449 --> 01:42:23.710
job protecting him whatever from those powers

01:42:23.710 --> 01:42:26.770
those things like i don't think that you can't

01:42:26.770 --> 01:42:29.279
know who's getting in Yeah, I don't think Ed

01:42:29.279 --> 01:42:31.220
woke up on his own one day and then was like,

01:42:31.319 --> 01:42:33.579
oh, well, I'm just going to sail off into the

01:42:33.579 --> 01:42:35.899
sunset without my band. I definitely think there

01:42:35.899 --> 01:42:40.180
was some manipulation there. Yeah. Well, just

01:42:40.180 --> 01:42:43.520
the way he talks about the way the band forms,

01:42:43.680 --> 01:42:45.720
it's like he just completely makes up stories.

01:42:46.260 --> 01:42:48.640
And like you said, that five -part lightning

01:42:48.640 --> 01:42:51.859
crashes, not only does it sound like a band wasn't

01:42:51.859 --> 01:42:53.659
in the room when the song was being written,

01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:54.939
so it doesn't even sound like there was a band

01:42:54.939 --> 01:42:57.699
there. It just sounds like... He was playing

01:42:57.699 --> 01:43:00.340
every instrument and fucking doing everything

01:43:00.340 --> 01:43:05.739
in that room, which is just crazy. But also it

01:43:05.739 --> 01:43:08.399
seems like what's crazy from an outsider is that

01:43:08.399 --> 01:43:11.539
this band is broken up without you four guys

01:43:11.539 --> 01:43:13.560
sitting in a room and having a conversation.

01:43:13.760 --> 01:43:16.739
Like it's broken up through Instagram messages

01:43:16.739 --> 01:43:20.619
and fucking letters. But you four have really

01:43:20.619 --> 01:43:25.239
never sat down and spoken probably since COVID

01:43:25.239 --> 01:43:27.979
-19 happened. One of us won't get in a room with

01:43:27.979 --> 01:43:31.180
the others. Yeah. I'll let you guess who that

01:43:31.180 --> 01:43:34.199
is. Chad, Patrick, and I speak all the time.

01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:39.140
So, you know, we talk. And that's been true all

01:43:39.140 --> 01:43:42.840
through the history of the band. Yeah. Yeah.

01:43:42.859 --> 01:43:45.100
Even at the hardest times when you guys were

01:43:45.100 --> 01:43:47.520
beefing and stuff, there were still lines of

01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:53.140
communication. The reality is. Chad Patrick and

01:43:53.140 --> 01:43:55.199
I hit the peak of our career when we were called

01:43:55.199 --> 01:43:56.960
first aid and we won our middle school talent

01:43:56.960 --> 01:43:59.279
show. That was it. We should have stopped right

01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:04.100
then. That's right. Did anything from first aid

01:44:04.100 --> 01:44:07.279
make it to public affection? Any of those, anything

01:44:07.279 --> 01:44:09.579
you played? I don't know. They were all cover

01:44:09.579 --> 01:44:14.380
songs at that point. I was scratching on my guitar

01:44:14.380 --> 01:44:19.039
with my pick years before Tom Morello had done

01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:22.260
that. And that was my main thing because I probably

01:44:22.260 --> 01:44:25.300
couldn't actually play the guitar parts. I wanted

01:44:25.300 --> 01:44:28.140
to ask you that. Where did like your tone, like,

01:44:28.159 --> 01:44:31.600
cause you're like known as like a master of tone

01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:35.359
for the guitar. Whether, like you said, your

01:44:35.359 --> 01:44:37.439
pick scratching, like stuff you're getting with

01:44:37.439 --> 01:44:40.779
amps and stuff. Like how did you develop that?

01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:42.340
I mean, because it doesn't seem like there's

01:44:42.340 --> 01:44:44.619
books back in the day to really learn that there's

01:44:44.619 --> 01:44:48.310
no internet. Is that just a natural ability you

01:44:48.310 --> 01:44:50.789
had, or how did you kind of get into that? I'm

01:44:50.789 --> 01:44:55.489
going to show you my secret. The hands. It's

01:44:55.489 --> 01:44:57.890
right there. It all just comes out of there.

01:44:57.949 --> 01:45:00.029
It's the same way Jack Gracie knows how to tone

01:45:00.029 --> 01:45:03.729
a snare drum or the tone of Ed's voice or the

01:45:03.729 --> 01:45:08.529
impact of Patrick's bass. There are no books,

01:45:08.529 --> 01:45:10.989
no manuals. That's just how we grew together.

01:45:11.430 --> 01:45:15.119
My guitar sounds the way it does because... It

01:45:15.119 --> 01:45:17.760
needed to sound that way to be heard next to

01:45:17.760 --> 01:45:20.140
Jack Gracie's drum set and Patrick Dallheimer's

01:45:20.140 --> 01:45:22.119
bass amp and really the power of Ed's voice.

01:45:22.279 --> 01:45:25.939
We developed as a unit. And that unit, I mean,

01:45:25.960 --> 01:45:28.539
I'm sure the world will never hear it again.

01:45:28.659 --> 01:45:34.380
But when that four -piece walks on stage, in

01:45:34.380 --> 01:45:36.560
particular, actually, bizarrely, when Ed plays

01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:41.380
guitar, nothing sounds like that unit. And nothing

01:45:41.380 --> 01:45:45.979
ever will again. I'm pretty convinced that that

01:45:45.979 --> 01:45:50.579
day will never come. And then we took that same

01:45:50.579 --> 01:45:53.000
unit and walked that right over into The Gracious

01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:55.880
Few, and then that turned into The Turn. And

01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.760
all of those guitar sounds and tone and all that

01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:04.420
stuff, I was brought up with Chad and Patrick

01:46:04.420 --> 01:46:08.960
and Ed in a classical environment where there

01:46:08.960 --> 01:46:13.180
was structured musical learning, symphonic. um

01:46:13.180 --> 01:46:19.800
instruments orchestral instruments and uh i think

01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:22.960
that we learned ed and i learned how to breathe

01:46:22.960 --> 01:46:25.800
together playing the trumpet chad gracie was

01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:28.659
doing the same thing on his saxophone and patrick

01:46:28.659 --> 01:46:31.859
was working on the upright bass but because we

01:46:31.859 --> 01:46:35.060
shared the exact same musical instructors they

01:46:35.060 --> 01:46:39.220
imprinted on us dynamics they imprinted us on

01:46:39.220 --> 01:46:43.180
us uh uh like even weird little things like how

01:46:43.180 --> 01:46:46.460
to round robin breathe how to um listen generously

01:46:46.460 --> 01:46:50.500
to each other as musicians and you know those

01:46:50.500 --> 01:46:52.380
people are there are very few most people know

01:46:52.380 --> 01:46:54.920
the story of don karn who helped the band together

01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:57.199
in middle school but then there's some other

01:46:57.199 --> 01:46:59.779
guys like uh there was kevin strickland and david

01:46:59.779 --> 01:47:02.989
crosby And then Harry Kaler was probably the

01:47:02.989 --> 01:47:05.390
most important in the high school level. And

01:47:05.390 --> 01:47:09.750
Mr. Kaler, his love was the Serenaders, which

01:47:09.750 --> 01:47:16.329
was like a competing jazz band. And if anybody's

01:47:16.329 --> 01:47:18.310
ever seen the movie Whiplash where the guy's

01:47:18.310 --> 01:47:20.529
freaking out on the drummer or whatever, that

01:47:20.529 --> 01:47:24.399
was kind of Mr. Kaler yelling at us. As as teen

01:47:24.399 --> 01:47:26.239
kids, we were like, what the hell is this guy's

01:47:26.239 --> 01:47:28.720
problem? But like I look back and I'm like, no,

01:47:28.859 --> 01:47:33.159
he got it. Like he knew the gig and he whipped

01:47:33.159 --> 01:47:35.979
us into shape. I mean, for everything that Don

01:47:35.979 --> 01:47:38.960
Karn did in the early days, each one of those

01:47:38.960 --> 01:47:42.159
instructors had all four of us boys and was,

01:47:42.180 --> 01:47:45.380
you know, one would hold us accountable. We were,

01:47:45.380 --> 01:47:48.340
you know, sat in lead positions, first or second

01:47:48.340 --> 01:47:51.949
chair and all of our things. And we were counted

01:47:51.949 --> 01:47:54.449
on to know the music the best and all those things.

01:47:54.510 --> 01:47:57.489
Well, that was developing our youthful brain

01:47:57.489 --> 01:48:00.489
in how to think and how to act as an ensemble

01:48:00.489 --> 01:48:03.710
and how to carry those performances. Then we

01:48:03.710 --> 01:48:05.850
transferred instruments, me from trumpet into

01:48:05.850 --> 01:48:08.949
guitar, Ed from trumpet into his voice, Chuck

01:48:08.949 --> 01:48:11.590
Gracie from saxophone into his drums. And of

01:48:11.590 --> 01:48:14.050
course, Patrick moved from the upright bass to

01:48:14.050 --> 01:48:18.899
playing bells. I'm not joking. But I swear to

01:48:18.899 --> 01:48:22.020
God, he played the xylophone. That's so Patrick

01:48:22.020 --> 01:48:25.939
to do a weird instrument. He was on the bells.

01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:31.560
But honestly, I still think that that fundamental

01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:35.359
classical background where we played Tchaikovsky

01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:40.319
and all the Gershwin and all those tunes that

01:48:40.319 --> 01:48:45.039
are essential to building a large musical vocabulary.

01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:49.340
That's where my tone comes from. You know, it's

01:48:49.340 --> 01:48:51.100
you don't just, you know, pick up the guitar.

01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:54.380
And, you know, so I own a guitar shop, a little

01:48:54.380 --> 01:48:57.140
plug. It's called Tone Tailors. And for example,

01:48:57.140 --> 01:48:59.159
one of the things that I deal with at the shop

01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:01.140
are where guys come in and what they've done

01:49:01.140 --> 01:49:04.220
is like read Reddit and YouTube videos and all

01:49:04.220 --> 01:49:06.239
these things. And they can ask me a million questions

01:49:06.239 --> 01:49:09.420
about the radius of a neck or a pickup or anything.

01:49:09.760 --> 01:49:12.739
And I do my best to try and answer those questions.

01:49:12.779 --> 01:49:14.420
And then they pick up the guitar and they can't

01:49:14.420 --> 01:49:17.149
even tune the damn thing. i'm just like yo man

01:49:17.149 --> 01:49:20.550
your priorities are all messed up yeah we sold

01:49:20.550 --> 01:49:23.069
chad how many millions of records do we sell

01:49:23.069 --> 01:49:25.590
with you on your first drum set and me with my

01:49:25.590 --> 01:49:29.210
first guitar you know it ain't the gear people

01:49:29.210 --> 01:49:32.810
it ain't the gear right exactly yeah it's your

01:49:32.810 --> 01:49:36.050
ear not the gear there you go boom that's to

01:49:36.050 --> 01:49:38.109
be a t -shirt at tone what's the name of the

01:49:38.109 --> 01:49:41.750
tone tailors tone tailors yeah tone tailors not

01:49:41.750 --> 01:49:45.510
t -y -l -o -r -s but t A -I -L -O -R -S, like

01:49:45.510 --> 01:49:49.229
to have your tone tailored to fit your musical

01:49:49.229 --> 01:49:53.130
need. And you're in there often. I see you putting

01:49:53.130 --> 01:49:54.649
videos on and stuff in there so people could

01:49:54.649 --> 01:49:56.329
go in there and run into you if you're lucky.

01:49:56.789 --> 01:49:59.770
This is Jesse Diaz, guys, asking again what happened

01:49:59.770 --> 01:50:05.210
up to 21. He wants to know why we didn't go back

01:50:05.210 --> 01:50:07.909
on tour. Because Chad and I were fighting. Ed

01:50:07.909 --> 01:50:11.229
didn't want to have fighting. And that's what's

01:50:11.229 --> 01:50:15.399
happening in 2020. And we didn't, I don't think

01:50:15.399 --> 01:50:17.800
we wanted to go out into the kerfuffle and bullshit

01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:22.960
of COVID anyway in 2021. Did he even go out in

01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:26.800
2021? The reality is Ed made a determination

01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:29.399
that impacted the entirety of the band. I mean,

01:50:29.420 --> 01:50:31.939
it just comes down to Ed just not wanting to

01:50:31.939 --> 01:50:36.140
tour with us. That's why live didn't tour like,

01:50:36.239 --> 01:50:39.060
you know, from that time on. I mean, once you

01:50:39.060 --> 01:50:42.630
start, I don't know, it'd be like. Do you really

01:50:42.630 --> 01:50:44.890
think Bono would write on Instagram that The

01:50:44.890 --> 01:50:50.670
Edge is fired? No. It's so bizarre. It's so weird.

01:50:50.829 --> 01:50:53.069
And I haven't had a chance to talk to the guy

01:50:53.069 --> 01:50:54.869
to say, well, that was really weird. Like, why

01:50:54.869 --> 01:50:56.789
did you do that? I mean, by the way, we've all

01:50:56.789 --> 01:50:59.829
done weird stuff. But that one is particular

01:50:59.829 --> 01:51:02.670
out there. And so to Jesse, it's like, you know,

01:51:02.689 --> 01:51:04.470
once somebody treats you like that, I mean, you

01:51:04.470 --> 01:51:06.489
think you want to make music with them? And like,

01:51:06.609 --> 01:51:08.949
hey, let's share artistry. It's like, no way,

01:51:09.130 --> 01:51:12.859
dude. No way. Don't want anything to do with

01:51:12.859 --> 01:51:15.380
that. I know, John, last time you said, oh, you

01:51:15.380 --> 01:51:16.800
guys will be at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

01:51:16.899 --> 01:51:18.800
I was like, you know, I'll be there with Christian.

01:51:19.300 --> 01:51:24.319
No, no problem. But not with Ed. Well, yeah,

01:51:24.420 --> 01:51:26.800
I mean, I don't blame you at this point. Like

01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:30.680
when we were speaking last time, I mean, of course,

01:51:30.680 --> 01:51:32.739
it was still at a bad place, but it just keeps

01:51:32.739 --> 01:51:35.510
getting worse and worse and worse. You know,

01:51:35.529 --> 01:51:39.710
nobody blames, you know, you at all for not wanting

01:51:39.710 --> 01:51:40.909
to share the stage. You know what I mean? It's

01:51:40.909 --> 01:51:44.989
crazy at this point. He should be embarrassed,

01:51:45.289 --> 01:51:50.050
really, though. And equally, what do I know?

01:51:52.489 --> 01:51:55.250
You know what I mean? Like, every time you dig

01:51:55.250 --> 01:51:56.970
yourself in a hole, right, the universe comes

01:51:56.970 --> 01:51:58.890
along and, like, punches you right in the face

01:51:58.890 --> 01:52:02.529
and says, you don't know shit. So I really don't

01:52:02.529 --> 01:52:07.229
know what the future holds. And I, I will say

01:52:07.229 --> 01:52:11.329
this, you know, there's a lot of stuff going

01:52:11.329 --> 01:52:14.270
on in my life behind the scenes that, you know,

01:52:14.270 --> 01:52:18.109
gives a lot of perspective to things. My sister

01:52:18.109 --> 01:52:21.909
-in -law, Tricia, who's my wife's younger sister,

01:52:22.010 --> 01:52:25.829
who happens to be married to Matt Gracie, Chad's

01:52:25.829 --> 01:52:30.529
younger cousin. She, for the last week, was in

01:52:30.529 --> 01:52:33.869
a medically induced coma and just came out of

01:52:33.869 --> 01:52:39.210
it really on Monday. I guess it's back now six

01:52:39.210 --> 01:52:41.930
to eight months ago. They learned that she has

01:52:41.930 --> 01:52:45.069
two very rare autoimmune diseases and they're

01:52:45.069 --> 01:52:49.250
attacking her organs in her body and in particular

01:52:49.250 --> 01:52:52.890
her kidneys. So she needs a kidney transplant.

01:52:54.380 --> 01:52:56.779
um you know like for example i know that she

01:52:56.779 --> 01:52:59.779
was in physical therapy the other day uh she

01:52:59.779 --> 01:53:02.020
was trying to work up the strength to be able

01:53:02.020 --> 01:53:04.720
to lift a sock right so this is how impaired

01:53:04.720 --> 01:53:08.159
this young woman is who i've known since the

01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:13.380
time she was a little kid and uh i'd like to

01:53:13.380 --> 01:53:15.720
use just a minute of this platform to just say

01:53:15.720 --> 01:53:19.800
there is a go fund me campaign uh you just type

01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:23.800
in tricia gracie t -r -i -c -i -a tricia gracie

01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:26.579
go fund me and you'll find it and the one thing

01:53:26.579 --> 01:53:28.739
i want to say is because you know i'm dealing

01:53:28.739 --> 01:53:32.260
with the family side and i've seen what a massive

01:53:32.260 --> 01:53:35.439
difference this has made to her daughters who

01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:39.340
are both 16 as you imagine mom can't can no longer

01:53:39.340 --> 01:53:41.640
go to work or drive them around or really do

01:53:41.640 --> 01:53:46.000
anything functional It's meant also doing some

01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:50.739
adjustments to their home to try and make her

01:53:50.739 --> 01:53:53.420
more comfortable in the home until she can, until

01:53:53.420 --> 01:53:55.560
she's stable enough to get a kidney transplant.

01:53:56.819 --> 01:54:00.140
You know, the family's all in on this. And I

01:54:00.140 --> 01:54:03.960
do really believe that live fans have made a

01:54:03.960 --> 01:54:07.659
huge difference here. And, you know, a dollar

01:54:07.659 --> 01:54:10.399
or even 50 cents out of your pocket at this point

01:54:10.399 --> 01:54:15.699
does make a huge. difference uh anybody knows

01:54:15.699 --> 01:54:18.239
matt gracie started as my guitar tech when he

01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:21.659
was 13 and i was 15 i didn't know how to play

01:54:21.659 --> 01:54:23.420
the guitar he didn't know how to tune a guitar

01:54:23.420 --> 01:54:25.939
and we kind of had to teach each other as we

01:54:25.939 --> 01:54:30.060
went along and then bizarrely you know like live

01:54:30.060 --> 01:54:32.260
became a huge band and all that stuff where we

01:54:32.260 --> 01:54:34.520
were touring non -stop and i showed up one thanksgiving

01:54:34.520 --> 01:54:38.479
and matt gracie was at my in -laws house Which

01:54:38.479 --> 01:54:41.500
was awfully weird. And I said, hey, I love to

01:54:41.500 --> 01:54:43.180
see Matt. But I was like, you know, we're home

01:54:43.180 --> 01:54:46.800
on a break. What are you doing here? And he had

01:54:46.800 --> 01:54:48.920
been quietly dating my sister -in -law, Tricia.

01:54:49.420 --> 01:54:51.779
And I could already tell it was really serious.

01:54:52.579 --> 01:54:54.640
And, of course, they were madly in love. And

01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:56.100
they got married. And then they had two beautiful

01:54:56.100 --> 01:55:00.720
kids. So, you know, it should be a dream story.

01:55:00.920 --> 01:55:03.439
Except for these autoimmune diseases, which are

01:55:03.439 --> 01:55:08.439
horrible. I've seen directly the good graces

01:55:08.439 --> 01:55:12.159
of humans that have donated to the GoFundMe campaign

01:55:12.159 --> 01:55:14.319
and the difference that it's made to the family.

01:55:14.520 --> 01:55:18.380
And I also want to give a shout out. Real quick,

01:55:18.439 --> 01:55:20.979
if they scan that QR code up top right, it'll

01:55:20.979 --> 01:55:23.880
bring you to Tricia Gracie's GoFundMe. Oh, my

01:55:23.880 --> 01:55:26.819
God. Thank you, John, for doing that. Thank you

01:55:26.819 --> 01:55:30.159
so much. Please scan that. You can read, you

01:55:30.159 --> 01:55:32.659
know, I know that there's a blog up there from

01:55:32.659 --> 01:55:36.020
Matt Gracie, I think just posted something. I'll

01:55:36.020 --> 01:55:38.020
probably go along at some point and try and post

01:55:38.020 --> 01:55:41.520
something too. But this is a family that is,

01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:45.439
you know, well, for example, Matt's on the road

01:55:45.439 --> 01:55:50.079
teching right now with Ed, teching guitar. So

01:55:50.079 --> 01:55:52.260
this is a, you know, an extension of the live

01:55:52.260 --> 01:55:55.739
family. And so many people have pulled together.

01:55:57.339 --> 01:56:03.359
chad gracie what was the uh the charity we did

01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:07.500
the the uh vic chestnut sweet relief that was

01:56:07.500 --> 01:56:10.659
it oh my god my brain got sweet relief the musical

01:56:10.659 --> 01:56:13.779
uh charity actually has already also donated

01:56:13.779 --> 01:56:16.100
to tricia and i just i haven't had a chance to

01:56:16.100 --> 01:56:17.920
thank them publicly and i'd just like to say

01:56:17.920 --> 01:56:21.460
thank you so much for doing that um You know,

01:56:21.460 --> 01:56:24.699
if anything, I probably should have talked at

01:56:24.699 --> 01:56:27.340
this at the front of the show because I really

01:56:27.340 --> 01:56:30.380
want, you know, people to know about the campaign

01:56:30.380 --> 01:56:34.420
and Trisha's struggle. It's very real. And, you

01:56:34.420 --> 01:56:37.140
know, this is still a pretty young person. And

01:56:37.140 --> 01:56:41.840
it's somebody that the extended family of live,

01:56:41.939 --> 01:56:45.380
you know, really should know more about, which

01:56:45.380 --> 01:56:47.539
are, you know, the wives, et cetera, that stay

01:56:47.539 --> 01:56:50.550
at home. that are guardians of our children and

01:56:50.550 --> 01:56:54.109
our homes and all those things. And, you know,

01:56:54.130 --> 01:56:56.390
this particular person just needs some love and

01:56:56.390 --> 01:57:00.750
support. Yeah, thank you for putting that out

01:57:00.750 --> 01:57:02.710
there. And, of course, we'll clip this up and

01:57:02.710 --> 01:57:05.510
post it so it gets the word out more. Thank you,

01:57:05.670 --> 01:57:08.310
Jeff. Of course. Trisha, our heart is out for

01:57:08.310 --> 01:57:12.590
you. Get better and get well soon. Yeah, thank

01:57:12.590 --> 01:57:16.189
you for bringing that up. One other thing here.

01:57:17.289 --> 01:57:22.090
Can we expect, so is Christian out on tour now,

01:57:22.210 --> 01:57:24.529
and can we expect, if he is, maybe some other

01:57:24.529 --> 01:57:30.229
pop -ups by you at some of them? Well, when I

01:57:30.229 --> 01:57:32.970
was in Charlotte, the first thing I said to Chris

01:57:32.970 --> 01:57:35.250
was, well, you need to now bring this tour to

01:57:35.250 --> 01:57:39.090
the Northeast. So I was already suggesting some

01:57:39.090 --> 01:57:42.510
venues, and I really hope that that happens.

01:57:42.590 --> 01:57:44.670
One of the things I just want to say is that

01:57:44.989 --> 01:57:48.170
i mean obviously i was a special guest uh that's

01:57:48.170 --> 01:57:51.949
really you know patrick uh you know in christian

01:57:51.949 --> 01:57:55.949
and christopher thorne it's really uh and their

01:57:55.949 --> 01:58:01.069
drummer jason that's really their thing um and

01:58:01.069 --> 01:58:04.369
uh for anybody that hasn't checked out the original

01:58:04.369 --> 01:58:06.989
music i know that christian has been posting

01:58:06.989 --> 01:58:09.609
it but for example chris played drums on the

01:58:09.609 --> 01:58:12.189
recording like he played every single instrument

01:58:12.189 --> 01:58:15.520
oh wow which Jack Gracie will tell you when we

01:58:15.520 --> 01:58:17.720
knew Chris, I mean, other than him occasionally

01:58:17.720 --> 01:58:19.420
sitting behind the drums, he wasn't trying to

01:58:19.420 --> 01:58:22.760
play drums. But he got sick and tired of being

01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:26.340
dependent on other people. And then he was just

01:58:26.340 --> 01:58:28.579
like, well, I'm just going to try this. And,

01:58:28.619 --> 01:58:31.659
you know, it's very inventive because he doesn't

01:58:31.659 --> 01:58:33.640
think like a drummer. He thinks like a songwriter,

01:58:33.699 --> 01:58:36.439
like a guitar player. Yeah. He explained to me

01:58:36.439 --> 01:58:38.739
that all the new songs started from the drums,

01:58:38.859 --> 01:58:41.079
that he puts all the drums down first and then

01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:44.510
builds from there. which, by the way, just so

01:58:44.510 --> 01:58:46.890
live fans know, I've begged Chad Gracie to do

01:58:46.890 --> 01:58:48.850
that now for, I don't know, more than 30 years,

01:58:48.909 --> 01:58:50.789
like just go in the studio and just like send

01:58:50.789 --> 01:58:54.369
me some beats. Hell yeah. So maybe that can inspire

01:58:54.369 --> 01:58:58.649
him. Yes. So one thing to tell your drummer from

01:58:58.649 --> 01:59:02.810
Mercy's revival is, and forgive me if I'm getting

01:59:02.810 --> 01:59:06.130
this wrong, but Chad Gracie plays behind the

01:59:06.130 --> 01:59:09.130
beat or in front of the beat, but not on the

01:59:09.130 --> 01:59:11.229
beat. And that's what makes his shit so special.

01:59:11.659 --> 01:59:13.579
Cause I'm listening to the Ed Kowalczyk cover

01:59:13.579 --> 01:59:16.539
band he's got out there. And the drums is like

01:59:16.539 --> 01:59:20.500
the, the most lacking that you could hear like

01:59:20.500 --> 01:59:23.260
physically. And I'm like, what the F like, what

01:59:23.260 --> 01:59:26.800
is so like, how can nobody do this? And Chad

01:59:26.800 --> 01:59:28.479
Gracie doesn't listen to it or anything, but

01:59:28.479 --> 01:59:30.899
he just mentioned that he plays either in front

01:59:30.899 --> 01:59:33.100
of the beat or behind the beat. And that's what

01:59:33.100 --> 01:59:35.659
makes it behind a beat. And once he said that,

01:59:35.680 --> 01:59:38.189
I'm like, Oh wow. That's that's. what makes these

01:59:38.189 --> 01:59:40.449
you know a lot of these songs unique is you you're

01:59:40.449 --> 01:59:43.369
in the beat with it it's not just so boom right

01:59:43.369 --> 01:59:46.090
on the money it's a little bit maybe before whatever

01:59:46.090 --> 01:59:50.850
i don't know but it's key to it i think to the

01:59:50.850 --> 01:59:54.729
drums drums are uh while i did the chad taylor

01:59:54.729 --> 01:59:56.909
and friends era i think i worked with six different

01:59:56.909 --> 01:59:59.090
drummers throughout the thing and i will just

01:59:59.090 --> 02:00:04.909
say this that um i was so blessed to have right

02:00:04.909 --> 02:00:07.760
out of the box chad gracie I had no idea how

02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:12.420
spoiled I was. I think other musicians in other

02:00:12.420 --> 02:00:15.680
bands understood how incredible Gracie was, but

02:00:15.680 --> 02:00:18.439
I didn't have perspective. But as I started working

02:00:18.439 --> 02:00:20.399
with the drummers through Chad Taylor and Friends,

02:00:20.479 --> 02:00:22.220
and by the way, they're all incredible people.

02:00:22.800 --> 02:00:25.439
I mean, Chad, one of the wackiest ones out of

02:00:25.439 --> 02:00:27.920
the box was I worked with Jeff Stabley, who was

02:00:27.920 --> 02:00:30.220
like friends with Don Karn and Mack White and

02:00:30.220 --> 02:00:32.119
all that stuff from York. I remember that name.

02:00:32.119 --> 02:00:34.800
I needed a drummer for a last -minute show, and

02:00:34.800 --> 02:00:36.960
he was like, well, I'll do it. He teaches at

02:00:36.960 --> 02:00:40.119
York College. Nice. And he's a jazz drummer.

02:00:40.699 --> 02:00:43.039
He's on some pretty big jazz albums and stuff,

02:00:43.079 --> 02:00:46.760
too. But actually, he was maybe the most fun

02:00:46.760 --> 02:00:49.100
to play with because he didn't listen to anything.

02:00:49.300 --> 02:00:52.880
He just played. He just vibed on what was going

02:00:52.880 --> 02:00:54.659
on and then played. And I was like, well, this

02:00:54.659 --> 02:00:58.750
is great. It has its whole own thing. but most

02:00:58.750 --> 02:01:00.449
of the drummers of course can't help themselves

02:01:00.449 --> 02:01:03.189
and they want to listen to how you wrote the

02:01:03.189 --> 02:01:05.569
songs and how you approached them wrote your

02:01:05.569 --> 02:01:11.170
parts and uh that is a tall tall tall order when

02:01:11.170 --> 02:01:13.729
looking for a drummer for mercy revival is the

02:01:13.729 --> 02:01:17.029
very hardest thing uh for me to locate and also

02:01:17.029 --> 02:01:19.829
geographically i wanted this band to basically

02:01:19.829 --> 02:01:22.989
be close enough to me to be driving so that we

02:01:22.989 --> 02:01:26.279
could rehearse frequently sure you know so that's

02:01:26.279 --> 02:01:30.000
part of the clue thing and so that is a tall

02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:33.279
order like if I was in Austin or if I was in

02:01:33.279 --> 02:01:35.460
Nashville and there's a plethora of players I

02:01:35.460 --> 02:01:37.300
could probably find somebody that could get pretty

02:01:37.300 --> 02:01:39.840
close but this is like finding a needle in a

02:01:39.840 --> 02:01:42.899
haystack and it took years to find somebody that

02:01:42.899 --> 02:01:46.199
could even get close and what what's interesting

02:01:46.199 --> 02:01:48.680
is you know I won't say his name but but my drummer

02:01:48.680 --> 02:01:53.750
uh Was trying, it's so weird to say that with

02:01:53.750 --> 02:01:55.670
Chad Grace. Chad Grace, he's my drummer, okay?

02:01:55.789 --> 02:01:59.010
Yeah. The Mercy Revivals drummer. There you go.

02:01:59.270 --> 02:02:01.369
Sorry, Chad, just put some ownership in there,

02:02:01.430 --> 02:02:05.189
but you are my drummer. Thank you. It's almost

02:02:05.189 --> 02:02:08.529
like Steve Jordan paying homage to Charlie Watts.

02:02:08.750 --> 02:02:12.050
Steve Jordan's like, yeah, Charlie invented this

02:02:12.050 --> 02:02:14.810
style of playing that I embraced. So I had to

02:02:14.810 --> 02:02:16.489
find a drummer that would kind of do the same

02:02:16.489 --> 02:02:20.199
thing. and then for example while we're rehearsing

02:02:20.199 --> 02:02:22.279
he'll be like oh yeah did you ever notice gracie

02:02:22.279 --> 02:02:24.380
does this you know and he'll do he'll show me

02:02:24.380 --> 02:02:26.640
some little figure and i'm like oh yeah that's

02:02:26.640 --> 02:02:28.279
really cool that's super inventive he's like

02:02:28.279 --> 02:02:31.079
yeah like no one else does that no one else puts

02:02:31.079 --> 02:02:33.180
that or will put that there or put that fill

02:02:33.180 --> 02:02:36.279
where it might go and so this is what i was saying

02:02:36.279 --> 02:02:38.680
like i'm learning it's like being in live school

02:02:39.890 --> 02:02:42.970
with these other musicians showing me like cool

02:02:42.970 --> 02:02:45.569
little things and i'm like well i just like i

02:02:45.569 --> 02:02:48.310
don't know i was busy playing my guitar like

02:02:48.310 --> 02:02:51.970
you know i wasn't it'd be like you chad trying

02:02:51.970 --> 02:02:54.529
to be like well like describe what i play in

02:02:54.529 --> 02:02:56.729
selling the drama you'd be like well he i don't

02:02:56.729 --> 02:02:58.869
know he plays some chords and like i don't know

02:02:58.869 --> 02:03:00.689
oh that's just people are always like what's

02:03:00.689 --> 02:03:02.250
the lyric in that song i'm like i didn't listen

02:03:02.250 --> 02:03:04.569
to the lyrics i listened to the melody i didn't

02:03:04.569 --> 02:03:06.930
listen to fucking i don't I don't listen to anyone's

02:03:06.930 --> 02:03:10.409
lyrics, any band. I listen to melody. You play

02:03:10.409 --> 02:03:14.250
around the melody the most of any drummer that

02:03:14.250 --> 02:03:16.109
I've ever worked with. If you ever listen to

02:03:16.109 --> 02:03:18.590
one of Gracie's drum parts, whether it's the

02:03:18.590 --> 02:03:23.130
Gracious View to Live or Live with Shin on the

02:03:23.130 --> 02:03:26.489
turn, there's never a drum part that's stepping

02:03:26.489 --> 02:03:31.770
on the vocal. If anything, the parts are very

02:03:31.770 --> 02:03:37.239
complimentary. uh and uphold the primary melody

02:03:37.239 --> 02:03:41.239
and and that is really by the way that's that's

02:03:41.239 --> 02:03:43.140
that classical training that i was explaining

02:03:43.140 --> 02:03:46.220
to you like learning to play like for example

02:03:46.220 --> 02:03:48.840
uh i've learned this now because i'm working

02:03:48.840 --> 02:03:53.260
with a lot of musicians um because chad gracie

02:03:53.260 --> 02:03:57.140
patrick and i were taught syncopation together

02:03:57.140 --> 02:04:00.159
we learned syncopation together syncopation is

02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:03.170
this weird thing where If you played the music

02:04:03.170 --> 02:04:05.850
exactly the way it looks, it would sound wrong.

02:04:06.430 --> 02:04:11.090
It's a real technicality. It's related to ragtime

02:04:11.090 --> 02:04:15.609
music and ragging. And I can remember Harry Kaler

02:04:15.609 --> 02:04:18.270
screaming at us, like, if you play it that way,

02:04:18.329 --> 02:04:21.630
everyone's going to hate you. You have to drag

02:04:21.630 --> 02:04:24.390
certain notes, et cetera. It's all a timing thing.

02:04:25.329 --> 02:04:28.789
And what's weird is Gracie Dahlheimer and I,

02:04:28.869 --> 02:04:32.619
we play syncopation. We don't even say to each

02:04:32.619 --> 02:04:35.100
other we're playing syncopation. We just do it.

02:04:35.479 --> 02:04:38.279
Now that I'm working with other musicians, I

02:04:38.279 --> 02:04:40.319
literally got asked, well, how are you counting

02:04:40.319 --> 02:04:44.619
that? I was like, well, I've never counted almost

02:04:44.619 --> 02:04:48.659
anything. Yeah, that's the magic. I have enough

02:04:48.659 --> 02:04:51.659
musical skill that I can actually, like if something's

02:04:51.659 --> 02:04:53.840
playing back, maybe not playing at the same time,

02:04:53.880 --> 02:04:55.739
but I can listen to it and count it out for you.

02:04:55.800 --> 02:05:00.489
I can also write it out. teaching that to someone

02:05:00.489 --> 02:05:03.369
else i do everything verbally like i'm like oh

02:05:03.369 --> 02:05:06.130
yeah just like but chad when we were in elementary

02:05:06.130 --> 02:05:09.069
school you know t t t t ta you know whatever

02:05:09.069 --> 02:05:12.649
all those basic rhythms uh and then the sound

02:05:12.649 --> 02:05:14.630
of music you know the movement of the hands i

02:05:14.630 --> 02:05:16.210
don't know if anybody knows but that's actually

02:05:16.210 --> 02:05:18.750
a musical scale that's the top of the octave

02:05:18.750 --> 02:05:20.529
that's the lowest part of the octave that's the

02:05:20.529 --> 02:05:23.010
mid octave but if you watch the movie if you

02:05:23.010 --> 02:05:24.970
watch sound of music when they're doing like

02:05:24.970 --> 02:05:27.470
doe a deer a female deal they're actually playing

02:05:27.470 --> 02:05:30.829
their hand movement is the musical scale that's

02:05:30.829 --> 02:05:32.909
how a lot of choirs work that way that's how

02:05:32.909 --> 02:05:36.130
they teach the choir how to move intervals um

02:05:36.130 --> 02:05:38.750
but all those like visual things that we learned

02:05:38.750 --> 02:05:41.149
like that's you know that goes back to like kevin

02:05:41.149 --> 02:05:44.550
strickland that he was the choir teacher and

02:05:44.550 --> 02:05:47.270
ed and i like were in the choir together i was

02:05:47.270 --> 02:05:49.810
always trying to sing i wasn't a great singer

02:05:49.810 --> 02:05:55.579
back then but um and then With Gracie, you know,

02:05:55.600 --> 02:05:57.319
there's a whole different thing when you're playing

02:05:57.319 --> 02:06:01.000
a woodwind. I mean, a woodwind is a really hard

02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:05.020
and difficult instrument to play with tone and

02:06:05.020 --> 02:06:07.180
all those things. So believe it or not, that

02:06:07.180 --> 02:06:09.340
was also forming how he was going to play as

02:06:09.340 --> 02:06:13.899
a drummer. I mean, it's all in there. Our brain

02:06:13.899 --> 02:06:16.279
doesn't separate with the musical instrument.

02:06:16.439 --> 02:06:20.239
It's all there. Why is it hard? Gracie would

02:06:20.239 --> 02:06:23.340
be the best. i'm sorry is it hard because it's

02:06:23.340 --> 02:06:25.859
a quick beat like you hit it and the sound stops

02:06:25.859 --> 02:06:31.460
the block or whatever i i'm convinced that gracie

02:06:31.460 --> 02:06:34.819
would be the best piano player of the band because

02:06:34.819 --> 02:06:38.159
of his ability to move left and right brain simultaneously

02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:45.820
yeah and and so it's all those things so um He

02:06:45.820 --> 02:06:48.260
would be natural at that because his body can

02:06:48.260 --> 02:06:50.859
do that. He always had that. By the way, I'm

02:06:50.859 --> 02:06:53.779
telling you right now, from his childhood bedroom,

02:06:54.239 --> 02:06:57.100
where I can still remember where we were set

02:06:57.100 --> 02:06:59.279
up in the little ancillary room, Chad, and you

02:06:59.279 --> 02:07:02.939
had the little stereo in there, and you had a

02:07:02.939 --> 02:07:05.579
handful of selection of vinyl records, The Beatles,

02:07:05.720 --> 02:07:08.159
I can remember. I think I remember Motley Crue.

02:07:08.699 --> 02:07:11.199
There were a handful of albums in there, and

02:07:11.199 --> 02:07:12.979
then he would put on those records and then play

02:07:12.979 --> 02:07:17.079
along to the records. like it wasn't like most

02:07:17.079 --> 02:07:19.340
of the time when you hear young people playing

02:07:19.340 --> 02:07:22.279
you can hear them struggling to play the beat

02:07:22.279 --> 02:07:25.159
yeah i mean to me he just sounded just like all

02:07:25.159 --> 02:07:28.920
those albums like right away his natural timing

02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:33.220
was insane without ever a drum lesson no drum

02:07:33.220 --> 02:07:36.229
lessons for this man never well it's crazy picked

02:07:36.229 --> 02:07:38.109
up the drumsticks and played like that when you're

02:07:38.109 --> 02:07:39.890
just hanging with him and he just starts banging

02:07:39.890 --> 02:07:42.930
with his hands and feet and making fucking crazy

02:07:42.930 --> 02:07:45.649
ass beats you know just like with his hands and

02:07:45.649 --> 02:07:47.550
feet on a table and she's like that's fucking

02:07:47.550 --> 02:07:51.229
great that sounds so good it's kind of cool to

02:07:51.229 --> 02:07:56.189
watch yeah he was always you were always so rhythmically

02:07:56.189 --> 02:08:00.289
gifted and then we were equally as blessed because

02:08:02.279 --> 02:08:04.460
Well, I've never met another bass player that

02:08:04.460 --> 02:08:08.279
even remotely, perhaps only Lee Sklar, where

02:08:08.279 --> 02:08:12.819
Patrick Dallhammer is in a league so on his own.

02:08:14.300 --> 02:08:18.939
Yep. You know, like in the triumphant of talent

02:08:18.939 --> 02:08:23.000
in the band, Patrick is in his own. I've always

02:08:23.000 --> 02:08:25.039
said he's the most talented musician in the band,

02:08:25.119 --> 02:08:28.220
Patrick Barnum. By far. The bass was like a lead

02:08:28.220 --> 02:08:31.720
instrument on Mental Jewelry and like a ton of

02:08:31.720 --> 02:08:35.319
those songs, it seemed like. Normally the bass

02:08:35.319 --> 02:08:38.359
is like a backing instrument. That seemed like

02:08:38.359 --> 02:08:40.539
it took the focal point in a bunch of those songs

02:08:40.539 --> 02:08:43.520
on Mental Jewelry. What, it's not lead bass when

02:08:43.520 --> 02:08:46.260
he's doing that slide in Lachini's Juice? Well.

02:08:46.399 --> 02:08:49.300
He made the song to me. What Gracie and I play

02:08:49.300 --> 02:08:53.119
is what any natural musician would play to the

02:08:53.119 --> 02:08:56.460
riff I wrote. It's very close. But when Patrick

02:08:56.460 --> 02:09:00.140
started going off counter beat. Yeah. I mean,

02:09:00.180 --> 02:09:02.000
I at first was like, is he playing something

02:09:02.000 --> 02:09:06.279
wrong? I think, in fact, I mean, I could be misremembering,

02:09:06.279 --> 02:09:09.039
but I think I stopped him in the room and was

02:09:09.039 --> 02:09:11.760
like, no, I'm going like, don't, don't. don't

02:09:11.760 --> 02:09:14.640
don't you know and everybody would expect normally

02:09:14.640 --> 02:09:17.140
to play with that yeah and you know patrick of

02:09:17.140 --> 02:09:19.399
course in his own wise ass way looked at me he

02:09:19.399 --> 02:09:21.619
was like i know what you're playing yeah and

02:09:21.619 --> 02:09:23.760
then we were like great kick it back in he's

02:09:23.760 --> 02:09:26.539
like i'm intentionally waiting i'm telling you

02:09:26.539 --> 02:09:28.920
if you listen to that if you could just get rid

02:09:28.920 --> 02:09:30.779
of the vocals and pull them out just hear that

02:09:30.779 --> 02:09:34.859
instrumentally it is amazing and uh of course

02:09:34.859 --> 02:09:36.899
there's a great version of that on chad gracie's

02:09:36.899 --> 02:09:39.060
youtube channel which does feature christian

02:09:39.060 --> 02:09:42.430
on vocals yeah buddy That was awesome to see.

02:09:42.510 --> 02:09:46.789
People were saying that was CGI, like you weren't

02:09:46.789 --> 02:09:49.529
there and stuff. There was a whole thing going

02:09:49.529 --> 02:09:55.289
on about it. We're like, no. Yeah, it was. Yeah,

02:09:55.329 --> 02:09:59.329
so what we missed was whatever they call it with

02:09:59.329 --> 02:10:01.170
the camera. I should know this because of the

02:10:01.170 --> 02:10:03.250
film production I did, but I think it's called

02:10:03.250 --> 02:10:05.609
a two -shot where you pick up both guys in the

02:10:05.609 --> 02:10:08.609
same frame. The camera guys just never did that.

02:10:09.199 --> 02:10:13.680
but i was definitely in the room uh the funniest

02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:18.000
part of that experience was i just put i think

02:10:18.000 --> 02:10:20.600
headphones on and was like putting on my guitar

02:10:20.600 --> 02:10:24.380
um i was still pretty nervous about the whole

02:10:24.380 --> 02:10:26.760
situation just like getting back together getting

02:10:26.760 --> 02:10:30.939
a room and gracie was just warming up and cracked

02:10:30.939 --> 02:10:35.239
his snare drum and I nearly like jumped out of

02:10:35.239 --> 02:10:37.800
my clothing. It scared me. It was so powerful

02:10:37.800 --> 02:10:41.500
and so loud and so crystal clear. And I was like,

02:10:41.560 --> 02:10:44.279
oh, I missed that one snare drum crack. And I

02:10:44.279 --> 02:10:46.479
knew I was like, oh, I'm back. Like, this sounds

02:10:46.479 --> 02:10:48.840
great. Can't wait. Like, let's record. Fuck yeah.

02:10:50.720 --> 02:10:56.420
Are we calling it? You got to hit it. Are we

02:10:56.420 --> 02:10:59.479
calling it Chad Taylor's Mercy Revival or is

02:10:59.479 --> 02:11:03.550
it just Mercy Revival, the band? I think that

02:11:03.550 --> 02:11:05.869
we're going to call it Chad Taylor's Mercy Revival.

02:11:05.890 --> 02:11:08.170
And if you ever come to see us in concert, you'll

02:11:08.170 --> 02:11:10.210
see a moniker in the back that just says Mercy

02:11:10.210 --> 02:11:13.630
Revival. So we can be like, Mercy, Mercy. You

02:11:13.630 --> 02:11:17.310
know, from a pure branding standpoint, it's an

02:11:17.310 --> 02:11:19.090
interesting thing. I mean, obviously, if you

02:11:19.090 --> 02:11:21.750
know who Chad Taylor is, right, then you're already

02:11:21.750 --> 02:11:24.789
interested. And if you don't and you see Chad

02:11:24.789 --> 02:11:26.750
Taylor's Mercy Revival, right, you're also going

02:11:26.750 --> 02:11:29.050
to say, well. Who the hell's Chad Taylor? And

02:11:29.050 --> 02:11:30.529
then you're going to read about my history with

02:11:30.529 --> 02:11:33.189
Live and The Gracious Few and my work with Christian

02:11:33.189 --> 02:11:36.210
and all that stuff. And hopefully that draws

02:11:36.210 --> 02:11:38.590
you out, too. So I want a little bit of both

02:11:38.590 --> 02:11:41.890
there. Fuck yeah. And I also want to say this.

02:11:42.329 --> 02:11:46.529
I struggled with, like, for example, Johnny Marr

02:11:46.529 --> 02:11:51.779
tours as Johnny Marr. uh and uh i struggled early

02:11:51.779 --> 02:11:54.220
on well i just call it you know chad taylor and

02:11:54.220 --> 02:11:56.239
i was like you know the thing that i love the

02:11:56.239 --> 02:12:00.520
most is the band i don't yeah like i love the

02:12:00.520 --> 02:12:03.039
band i want to be about the band so i'm about

02:12:03.039 --> 02:12:08.279
the members of the mercy revival like uh i i

02:12:08.279 --> 02:12:11.000
just uh you could have been the chad taylor band

02:12:11.850 --> 02:12:14.970
Yes, exactly. But, you know, I wanted them to

02:12:14.970 --> 02:12:16.729
feel some ownership in the whole thing, too.

02:12:16.789 --> 02:12:19.069
That's what we had in live and still have. I

02:12:19.069 --> 02:12:21.149
mean, in some weird way, we'll always have that.

02:12:21.869 --> 02:12:24.989
Whether we're standing on stage and calling it

02:12:24.989 --> 02:12:27.729
live or whatever, I guess that'll be determined

02:12:27.729 --> 02:12:31.369
at some point. It all seems so weird. You know,

02:12:31.369 --> 02:12:35.149
my expectation, long term, long view, is that

02:12:35.149 --> 02:12:38.449
everyone finds their space and their way and

02:12:38.449 --> 02:12:42.279
their time forward. find his thing whatever that

02:12:42.279 --> 02:12:46.039
is that chad patrick and i'll find our thing

02:12:46.039 --> 02:12:50.600
um i will tell you i mean i'm i'm pretty excited

02:12:50.600 --> 02:12:52.920
to try and write some songs for christian i'll

02:12:52.920 --> 02:12:56.800
just be pretty upfront about that i asked we

02:12:56.800 --> 02:12:59.020
talked about this on the very first podcast when

02:12:59.020 --> 02:13:01.680
i get a singer's voice in my head i can write

02:13:01.680 --> 02:13:05.380
specifically for that so the singer in the mercy

02:13:05.380 --> 02:13:08.439
revival right like i got his spirit in me like

02:13:08.439 --> 02:13:11.260
i know how to write for that I know, like, when

02:13:11.260 --> 02:13:14.020
I wrote Siren's Call or whatever, like, I mean,

02:13:14.039 --> 02:13:17.819
I was hearing Christian's voice in that. Yeah,

02:13:17.939 --> 02:13:20.720
that was perfect. You know, even, like, you know,

02:13:20.720 --> 02:13:23.239
for example, like, if we just recorded a song,

02:13:23.439 --> 02:13:25.279
hey, wouldn't that be cool? Like, that would

02:13:25.279 --> 02:13:27.680
be fun. Wherever we get a chance to make new

02:13:27.680 --> 02:13:29.640
music, that's what I want to do. You know, Gracie

02:13:29.640 --> 02:13:33.000
has access to and plays in the studio all the

02:13:33.000 --> 02:13:36.079
time. So does Patrick. So does Christian. So

02:13:36.079 --> 02:13:39.739
do I. There's no rhyme or reason why new songs

02:13:39.739 --> 02:13:44.840
can't be released. It doesn't have to get so

02:13:44.840 --> 02:13:47.479
serious. Who even really cares what it's called

02:13:47.479 --> 02:13:52.279
at this point? We're all grown adults. I don't

02:13:52.279 --> 02:13:58.220
want the music to be impinged or held back in

02:13:58.220 --> 02:14:00.619
any way, shape, or form. I want that for Ed,

02:14:00.720 --> 02:14:03.220
too, by the way. Not just me. I want that for

02:14:03.220 --> 02:14:05.420
Kevin Martin. I want that for Sean Hennessey.

02:14:05.869 --> 02:14:09.189
Michael Railton, Christopher Thorne, Jack Gracie,

02:14:09.189 --> 02:14:11.229
Patrick Dallheimer, every single musician I've

02:14:11.229 --> 02:14:16.189
ever played with. Life's too short to harbor

02:14:16.189 --> 02:14:18.789
anything. You know what I'm saying? Especially

02:14:18.789 --> 02:14:23.430
when shit could be talked out or whatever. It's

02:14:23.430 --> 02:14:26.949
a good sentiment. I don't know. Hit me up with

02:14:26.949 --> 02:14:29.670
your best song. I want to be blown away. It's

02:14:29.670 --> 02:14:34.369
funny because I... thank god for the power of

02:14:34.369 --> 02:14:37.689
tiktok i mean i've reconnected with like youthful

02:14:37.689 --> 02:14:40.590
music and that's been a huge thing for me is

02:14:40.590 --> 02:14:42.430
like uh i've been listening to this girl named

02:14:42.430 --> 02:14:45.470
ecka vandal um it's kind of i think it's her

02:14:45.470 --> 02:14:49.689
and a drummer that's a producer and uh she reminds

02:14:49.689 --> 02:14:53.109
like when i first heard it i was like it reminded

02:14:53.109 --> 02:14:55.449
me of when i first heard smells like teen spirit

02:14:55.449 --> 02:15:00.939
oh wow rocked my world it sounds like know i

02:15:00.939 --> 02:15:03.899
know it doesn't sound like grunge i just know

02:15:03.899 --> 02:15:06.579
that it has some newness and and passion and

02:15:06.579 --> 02:15:10.319
my god she's amazing uh i've been listening to

02:15:10.319 --> 02:15:13.279
non -stop i'm such a fan boy of sierra farrell

02:15:13.279 --> 02:15:15.979
um i'll just tell you guys a kind of funny story

02:15:15.979 --> 02:15:19.000
so sierra is originally from west virginia uh

02:15:19.000 --> 02:15:21.439
she's you know they would call her folk music

02:15:21.439 --> 02:15:26.890
uh but she is um the whole embodiment of a new

02:15:26.890 --> 02:15:30.449
musical wave and if you know you know she's just

02:15:30.449 --> 02:15:35.210
amazing uh and so you know like i'm always telling

02:15:35.210 --> 02:15:38.930
people i'm checking out you know sierra feral

02:15:38.930 --> 02:15:41.409
sierra you know like sierra this is back years

02:15:41.409 --> 02:15:44.449
like she's playing tiny little bars right she's

02:15:44.449 --> 02:15:46.869
become a big deal now she's like playing amphitheaters

02:15:46.869 --> 02:15:51.170
and stuff oh and my daughter scarlet uh is a

02:15:51.170 --> 02:15:55.710
publicist and uh She just casually dropped to

02:15:55.710 --> 02:15:57.850
me one day. She was like, Dad, I was just texting

02:15:57.850 --> 02:16:02.149
with Ciara Farrell. And I was like, what am I,

02:16:02.270 --> 02:16:07.569
chopped liver? I was so envious because I adore

02:16:07.569 --> 02:16:12.670
this woman's music. She's in her 30s. She's not

02:16:12.670 --> 02:16:15.510
that young, but she's also not old by any means.

02:16:15.609 --> 02:16:17.949
And it's so refreshing. And then I just learned

02:16:17.949 --> 02:16:19.930
her guitar player is from Lancaster, which is

02:16:19.930 --> 02:16:23.130
also incredible. My point is I'm always like.

02:16:23.609 --> 02:16:25.909
I just don't want to be about my new music. I'm

02:16:25.909 --> 02:16:28.550
about everybody's new music. That's everything

02:16:28.550 --> 02:16:32.670
from, you know, Shin stuff to, I mean, man, I

02:16:32.670 --> 02:16:35.790
would love, love to collaborate with Sierra.

02:16:36.290 --> 02:16:38.690
I'd do about anything to make that happen. And

02:16:38.690 --> 02:16:43.190
I know she's done some like, you know, some collaborative

02:16:43.190 --> 02:16:46.049
work with some other artists that I really love,

02:16:46.129 --> 02:16:49.409
but even including like John C. Reilly. who is

02:16:49.409 --> 02:16:52.909
an amazing musician uh has a great voice most

02:16:52.909 --> 02:16:54.930
people don't even probably know that about him

02:16:54.930 --> 02:16:58.469
but he popped up the actor yeah and of course

02:16:58.469 --> 02:17:00.709
and of course i'm totally jealous of like him

02:17:00.709 --> 02:17:03.790
i'm like how's that happening why am i not there

02:17:03.790 --> 02:17:07.309
like i love her music she's inspired me in fact

02:17:07.309 --> 02:17:10.489
i almost didn't release the 24 songs that i wrote

02:17:10.489 --> 02:17:13.469
um because i listened to her album i was like

02:17:13.469 --> 02:17:16.469
well i suck i should just quit oh wow terrible

02:17:17.500 --> 02:17:19.860
and uh and then eventually i was like well i

02:17:19.860 --> 02:17:21.979
need to get over that like i need to face this

02:17:21.979 --> 02:17:24.260
down i need to release some songs and that's

02:17:24.260 --> 02:17:25.879
the other thing that's unique about these songs

02:17:25.879 --> 02:17:28.219
is i've written all the words all the melodies

02:17:28.219 --> 02:17:31.559
um you know whereas in the past everything was

02:17:31.559 --> 02:17:34.799
truly collaborative and by the way i am collaborating

02:17:34.799 --> 02:17:36.959
with members of the band i'm writing other stuff

02:17:36.959 --> 02:17:40.000
but just these early songs i did everything well

02:17:40.000 --> 02:17:42.280
that was all brand new and i feel super exposed

02:17:42.280 --> 02:17:45.920
even doing that sure And intentionally, just

02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:49.540
because somebody did ask about it, I put up Honest

02:17:49.540 --> 02:17:52.219
Man because management said, well, you just don't

02:17:52.219 --> 02:17:55.559
put up anything new. Because they want to hold

02:17:55.559 --> 02:17:57.620
that back, I think, for a record label or something

02:17:57.620 --> 02:18:00.940
like that. Sure. Go ahead, I'm sorry. G. Garman's

02:18:00.940 --> 02:18:03.559
asking if the turn will be released. Yes, we

02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:06.659
will re -release it at some point here. Boom,

02:18:06.659 --> 02:18:09.979
shakalaka. Yeah, the turn has to have its day.

02:18:13.360 --> 02:18:15.680
I know this sounds weird. If there's any silver

02:18:15.680 --> 02:18:18.200
lining to it being taken down is that it can

02:18:18.200 --> 02:18:21.239
be put back up. Right. I think that's probably

02:18:21.239 --> 02:18:25.379
pretty special. I mean, obviously, artistically,

02:18:25.479 --> 02:18:28.559
we're only doing that if all the parties are

02:18:28.559 --> 02:18:31.180
aligned, which, of course, also with with. Yeah.

02:18:31.180 --> 02:18:33.620
But, you know, even Chris is like, well, you

02:18:33.620 --> 02:18:35.280
know, it's such an album that I'm really proud

02:18:35.280 --> 02:18:38.420
of and we're super proud of it. Always were.

02:18:39.189 --> 02:18:41.530
The politics behind the scenes of being in a

02:18:41.530 --> 02:18:44.350
band and all that stuff, fans don't particularly

02:18:44.350 --> 02:18:46.670
always understand how those maturations work.

02:18:46.829 --> 02:18:49.989
That was a part of the negotiation when Ed returned.

02:18:50.149 --> 02:18:52.989
And it's something that we agreed to. It's not

02:18:52.989 --> 02:18:55.770
just all on Ed. From our side, we did agree to

02:18:55.770 --> 02:18:58.770
that. And I don't even really think that at the

02:18:58.770 --> 02:19:00.530
time that we thought through about the hurt or

02:19:00.530 --> 02:19:03.010
pain that it could cause the fans or in particular

02:19:03.010 --> 02:19:06.360
Christian. And I definitely owe him and which

02:19:06.360 --> 02:19:08.360
I did say to him in person, like, I'm just like

02:19:08.360 --> 02:19:11.219
really particularly sorry about that. He obviously

02:19:11.219 --> 02:19:14.319
invested himself into making that record and

02:19:14.319 --> 02:19:20.399
it does deserve a spotlight. For sure. Well,

02:19:20.479 --> 02:19:22.940
I mean, I guess the silver lining, I mean, you

02:19:22.940 --> 02:19:25.700
know, if there is one for the real live not being

02:19:25.700 --> 02:19:28.760
together is who knows if you would have ever

02:19:28.760 --> 02:19:32.180
gotten a sober CT and, and, and turned your life

02:19:32.180 --> 02:19:35.129
around and. Even though it sucks that the music

02:19:35.129 --> 02:19:39.270
isn't going to grow and, you know, be made like

02:19:39.270 --> 02:19:43.190
it used to. Maybe your lives improve, you know,

02:19:43.190 --> 02:19:46.270
despite, you know, the band not being together.

02:19:46.569 --> 02:19:49.809
Well, yeah. And this it's really funny because

02:19:49.809 --> 02:19:52.049
can you see there's like two sides of the same

02:19:52.049 --> 02:19:55.719
coin? You know, perhaps, like, I've had to have

02:19:55.719 --> 02:19:58.059
this conversation with Gracie and Dahlheimer.

02:19:58.159 --> 02:19:59.760
I haven't had it with Ed because we're not in

02:19:59.760 --> 02:20:02.020
contact. But, you know, it can't be easy to be

02:20:02.020 --> 02:20:05.139
in a band with an alcoholic, even though I was

02:20:05.139 --> 02:20:08.700
a high -functioning alcoholic. And, you know,

02:20:08.719 --> 02:20:12.280
I hold a great deal of guilt about that. Perhaps

02:20:12.280 --> 02:20:15.379
that has something to do with Ed's resentments

02:20:15.379 --> 02:20:19.069
towards me. I mean, I really don't know. uh i

02:20:19.069 --> 02:20:22.149
was you know responsibility for that so many

02:20:22.149 --> 02:20:24.489
times you know i'm saying like you you guys have

02:20:24.489 --> 02:20:27.809
really done your part numerous times and it's

02:20:27.809 --> 02:20:32.549
just one side that's not fucking being like playing

02:20:32.549 --> 02:20:35.629
ball at all it's crazy so i didn't mean to cut

02:20:35.629 --> 02:20:37.290
you off i guess that's the point is that the

02:20:37.290 --> 02:20:40.030
lawyers are going to have to sort him out yeah

02:20:40.030 --> 02:20:42.770
that's just he's just got to get sorted out yeah

02:20:44.920 --> 02:20:47.860
Well, I'm excited. Do you have any release dates

02:20:47.860 --> 02:20:50.879
or can you tell us a time frame on when you're

02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:52.860
starting to put out the album or are you going

02:20:52.860 --> 02:20:58.040
to tease songs? How are we doing it? I don't

02:20:58.040 --> 02:21:01.979
have a time frame just yet, but 2026 will be

02:21:01.979 --> 02:21:07.139
the release date. And, you know, look, I'm actively

02:21:07.139 --> 02:21:10.500
starting to book tour dates. So, I mean, you're

02:21:10.500 --> 02:21:13.139
going to. you're gonna see me on the road uh

02:21:13.139 --> 02:21:15.540
our goal is to not just play in the u .s but

02:21:15.540 --> 02:21:21.899
obviously to go uh so um and you know i'm being

02:21:21.899 --> 02:21:25.040
straightforward and honest i have zero expectations

02:21:25.040 --> 02:21:29.309
about the commerciality of it i really I mean,

02:21:29.309 --> 02:21:32.750
I care in some way, shape, or form, but I also

02:21:32.750 --> 02:21:35.469
just need to be on stage, if that makes sense.

02:21:36.030 --> 02:21:38.590
First things first, I just want to put a line

02:21:38.590 --> 02:21:41.069
in the sand. If it means starting again in clubs,

02:21:41.329 --> 02:21:43.829
I'll start again in clubs. I think that's totally

02:21:43.829 --> 02:21:47.649
fine. And then we'll see where the music and

02:21:47.649 --> 02:21:52.709
our musicianship can take us. And I also think

02:21:52.709 --> 02:21:56.549
that there is plenty of room for collaborations

02:21:56.549 --> 02:22:00.090
with Chad and Patrick. and perhaps even christian

02:22:00.090 --> 02:22:05.170
i mean i i do not want anyone to think that uh

02:22:05.170 --> 02:22:10.350
as grown men adults right that it has to be so

02:22:10.350 --> 02:22:13.110
pigeonholed into you know like these little fiefdoms

02:22:13.110 --> 02:22:15.450
or whatever i think it should be you know pretty

02:22:15.450 --> 02:22:18.670
far and wide I just had it on my mind. I know

02:22:18.670 --> 02:22:20.409
this sounds weird, but, you know, I haven't talked

02:22:20.409 --> 02:22:23.149
to Michael Railton, Raylo, we called him, but

02:22:23.149 --> 02:22:24.709
I haven't talked to him in years other than a

02:22:24.709 --> 02:22:27.170
couple messages on Facebook. But the other day

02:22:27.170 --> 02:22:29.569
when I was on stage with Christopher Thorne and

02:22:29.569 --> 02:22:31.989
Christian and Patrick, I was like, well, I might

02:22:31.989 --> 02:22:33.729
as well call up Raylo and see what he's doing.

02:22:33.809 --> 02:22:36.290
Like, let's do a song with him. Like, you know,

02:22:36.290 --> 02:22:39.850
let's let's try and involve, you know, as many

02:22:39.850 --> 02:22:41.709
of the people that were, you know, important

02:22:41.709 --> 02:22:44.989
to live. Also, I really want to play some shows

02:22:44.989 --> 02:22:46.879
with Jerry Harrison. I mean, I'm just putting

02:22:46.879 --> 02:22:49.879
it out there. He's been touring more and more.

02:22:50.340 --> 02:22:53.479
And he and I definitely when we talk, we're like,

02:22:53.540 --> 02:22:55.639
well, what are we going to do together? How are

02:22:55.639 --> 02:22:58.579
we going to play? And that has happened a few

02:22:58.579 --> 02:23:01.020
times where we wound up on stage together. But

02:23:01.020 --> 02:23:03.959
I'd actually like to formalize it. He did such

02:23:03.959 --> 02:23:06.540
a great job with the Remain in Light tour with

02:23:06.540 --> 02:23:08.840
Adrian Blue. I mean, I saw that show. It was

02:23:08.840 --> 02:23:12.059
amazing. So, you know, perhaps something could

02:23:12.059 --> 02:23:15.239
be there. bam i don't know as i said earlier

02:23:15.239 --> 02:23:20.139
what do i know all right one last question uh

02:23:20.139 --> 02:23:24.100
for the live fans are there any um unreleased

02:23:24.100 --> 02:23:28.100
uh live songs uh studio recordings from your

02:23:28.100 --> 02:23:30.840
first four albums that haven't seen the light

02:23:30.840 --> 02:23:33.200
of day like like don't wait and change there's

02:23:33.200 --> 02:23:35.440
like studio versions out there they're not the

02:23:35.440 --> 02:23:37.299
best quality and stuff like that but there's

02:23:37.299 --> 02:23:39.559
versions out there is there anything from those

02:23:39.559 --> 02:23:42.750
days that isn't out there That has been recorded.

02:23:44.829 --> 02:23:49.629
I have all of the mystery vault. So that's a

02:23:49.629 --> 02:23:55.290
yes. And I will just say this. I have all the

02:23:55.290 --> 02:23:58.049
dead bodies. I have everything. Like, you know,

02:23:58.069 --> 02:23:59.930
I mean, I have recorded, like I said, I wasn't

02:23:59.930 --> 02:24:02.309
joking when I tell you, like, I have literally

02:24:02.309 --> 02:24:05.290
us recorded when we were writing lightning crashes.

02:24:06.190 --> 02:24:08.170
When we were writing Damanata Creek, all those

02:24:08.170 --> 02:24:10.569
things, this is all recorded. So there's enough

02:24:10.569 --> 02:24:13.930
in the vault, in the archive that, you know,

02:24:13.930 --> 02:24:18.430
we could do releases for years to come. But we

02:24:18.430 --> 02:24:20.989
have to be in a functional place to do that.

02:24:21.049 --> 02:24:22.870
And I think that we're actually headed there

02:24:22.870 --> 02:24:26.110
pretty fast. I think, you know, Chad Patrick

02:24:26.110 --> 02:24:28.979
and I. First order of business was let the lawyers

02:24:28.979 --> 02:24:31.379
handle Ed. Then second order of business is figure

02:24:31.379 --> 02:24:34.500
out how we start doing new releases. Yeah, baby.

02:24:34.500 --> 02:24:38.020
Even if it's old material. Well, so somebody

02:24:38.020 --> 02:24:40.520
posted this in the comments earlier throughout

02:24:40.520 --> 02:24:42.680
because they've just been going crazy. But I

02:24:42.680 --> 02:24:46.819
think there needs to be a good live documentary.

02:24:48.319 --> 02:24:51.100
Documentary? Documentary. Documentary. Yeah,

02:24:51.239 --> 02:24:54.389
I don't know what I was going to say. uh on the

02:24:54.389 --> 02:24:56.430
way you guys started the band you know all the

02:24:56.430 --> 02:24:59.329
way up through you know probably even now but

02:24:59.329 --> 02:25:01.829
especially with old footage that you have and

02:25:01.829 --> 02:25:04.290
and like you guys being a part of it would be

02:25:04.290 --> 02:25:08.190
freaking amazing uh and i think would shed a

02:25:08.190 --> 02:25:10.670
lot of light we've been we've been talking about

02:25:10.670 --> 02:25:13.590
that kind of stuff also uh we are planning to

02:25:13.590 --> 02:25:17.510
launch real to launch a a merch site and we were

02:25:17.510 --> 02:25:21.209
selling the official live red logo again yeah

02:25:21.209 --> 02:25:26.010
baby Red logo. Coming back. We're not afraid

02:25:26.010 --> 02:25:33.069
of the color red. Well, Chad Taylor, please.

02:25:33.430 --> 02:25:38.389
Go ahead. Well, I think the point is the fans

02:25:38.389 --> 02:25:40.489
have waited long enough. It's time to start releasing

02:25:40.489 --> 02:25:44.129
this stuff. I'm not getting any younger. And

02:25:44.129 --> 02:25:49.069
I am super excited by everything that you just

02:25:49.069 --> 02:25:52.209
said, John, the idea of a documentary. uh we've

02:25:52.209 --> 02:25:55.329
had some casual conversations with established

02:25:55.329 --> 02:26:01.110
producers about doing that um and uh as i had

02:26:01.110 --> 02:26:03.270
mentioned at one point i had actually started

02:26:03.270 --> 02:26:07.709
to write a book and yeah and then all this got

02:26:07.709 --> 02:26:09.909
so complicated i was like well what the hell

02:26:09.909 --> 02:26:11.870
with this like i kind of just scrapped it and

02:26:11.870 --> 02:26:13.729
pushed it aside because i was like wow i don't

02:26:13.729 --> 02:26:17.149
know the ending right so convoluted i was like

02:26:17.149 --> 02:26:19.450
well you know it's not really clean but the reality

02:26:19.450 --> 02:26:24.829
is at some point uh you know i don't know i i

02:26:24.829 --> 02:26:27.510
honestly at this point i think i would begin

02:26:27.510 --> 02:26:31.090
again uh which sometimes it's like a great part

02:26:31.090 --> 02:26:33.750
of the writer's process yeah but i think one

02:26:33.750 --> 02:26:36.250
of the other ways of doing this is like is telling

02:26:36.250 --> 02:26:39.309
it like through the eyes of the filmmaker yes

02:26:39.309 --> 02:26:42.170
and so i'm super interested in that i think live

02:26:42.170 --> 02:26:45.809
fans um i will say that i've been approached

02:26:45.809 --> 02:26:48.870
by some series producers about doing both uh

02:26:48.870 --> 02:26:51.770
sort of a traditional documentary but also then

02:26:51.770 --> 02:26:56.530
a scripted uh film oh that'd be cool so you could

02:26:56.530 --> 02:26:59.870
go from archival footage into the scripted yeah

02:26:59.870 --> 02:27:01.969
that's cool yeah and the scripted thing like

02:27:01.969 --> 02:27:04.129
you know like we would cast little kid versions

02:27:04.129 --> 02:27:06.649
of us to play public affection or first aid you

02:27:06.649 --> 02:27:09.809
know whatever that stuff is hey john put up this

02:27:09.809 --> 02:27:17.329
uh this one uh chat from christian gotcha Please

02:27:17.329 --> 02:27:20.149
let me know if you're interested. Talking documentary

02:27:20.149 --> 02:27:22.450
movie producer and fan of the band right here.

02:27:22.729 --> 02:27:28.590
Christian Brower. I take a copy of her name here.

02:27:29.110 --> 02:27:32.010
Try to look her up. You know, perhaps I'm over

02:27:32.010 --> 02:27:35.450
on Instagram at whatever. It's Chad Taylor underscore

02:27:35.450 --> 02:27:40.250
live. You're welcome to shoot me a DM and I'll

02:27:40.250 --> 02:27:43.530
try and get back to you. I think there's a Gmail

02:27:43.530 --> 02:27:46.809
address. The Chad. taylor and friends at gmail

02:27:46.809 --> 02:27:50.350
that also gets to me um i mean that's out there

02:27:50.350 --> 02:27:52.590
publicly i don't i don't mind if if people send

02:27:52.590 --> 02:27:56.590
me stuff um i will admit i'm not real great at

02:27:56.590 --> 02:27:59.530
checking the dms uh and there's been some important

02:27:59.530 --> 02:28:01.889
messages left in those where i'm like i just

02:28:03.849 --> 02:28:06.370
i had to explain to chad the other day i was

02:28:06.370 --> 02:28:08.629
like i'm so sorry i'm not the best at social

02:28:08.629 --> 02:28:10.790
media and then he started laughing at me he was

02:28:10.790 --> 02:28:12.629
like well i'm not good at it either like that

02:28:12.629 --> 02:28:16.829
definitely shows like our age you guys have a

02:28:16.829 --> 02:28:19.129
podcast i mean you clearly know more what you're

02:28:19.129 --> 02:28:22.450
doing in this area than what i do um and i do

02:28:22.450 --> 02:28:25.850
like being in here as the uh gracious three by

02:28:25.850 --> 02:28:27.909
the way it's it's been an awful lot of fun there

02:28:27.909 --> 02:28:32.659
you go a second time guest i feel like uh i much

02:28:32.659 --> 02:28:35.760
more better prepared and of course there are

02:28:35.760 --> 02:28:39.299
and out of respect for time i mean there are

02:28:39.299 --> 02:28:41.520
tons of interests uh you know i happen to be

02:28:41.520 --> 02:28:44.059
a libertarian which you know kind of gets to

02:28:44.059 --> 02:28:46.540
sounding almost like a bad word these days but

02:28:46.540 --> 02:28:51.260
you know i'm fiercely into the history of banking

02:28:51.260 --> 02:28:56.010
and the federal reserve system and uh And and

02:28:56.010 --> 02:28:59.270
I think there's a lot that, you know, that we

02:28:59.270 --> 02:29:01.829
could go down that are like those classic rabbit

02:29:01.829 --> 02:29:04.930
holes. And then, you know, just to bring us full

02:29:04.930 --> 02:29:07.170
circle where you guys were at originally when

02:29:07.170 --> 02:29:10.270
this started. But like even when you have guys

02:29:10.270 --> 02:29:12.389
like Bill Maher going, hey, where do I address

02:29:12.389 --> 02:29:17.969
my apology note to, you know, QAnon? Right. You

02:29:17.969 --> 02:29:20.430
know, but and I would be just be honest with

02:29:20.430 --> 02:29:25.030
you from a guy on the outside. I despise. political

02:29:25.030 --> 02:29:27.950
rhetoric and the divide because i spent a whole

02:29:27.950 --> 02:29:30.290
career as a musician trying to bring people together

02:29:30.290 --> 02:29:33.469
i mean first of all like i i always feel like

02:29:33.469 --> 02:29:37.829
uh there's like in in order of importance there's

02:29:37.829 --> 02:29:40.549
like togetherness and spirituality and like i

02:29:40.549 --> 02:29:42.809
really feel like the political doldrums are like

02:29:42.809 --> 02:29:46.229
down here like they put you down and of course

02:29:46.229 --> 02:29:48.750
we're all watching that like we're being intentionally

02:29:48.750 --> 02:29:52.780
divided Um, the reality is that, you know, my

02:29:52.780 --> 02:29:55.659
blood is my blood. It's the same as most of the

02:29:55.659 --> 02:29:58.799
other blood out there in the world. Uh, and you

02:29:58.799 --> 02:30:04.299
know, I try and stick to that, but yet, uh, I

02:30:04.299 --> 02:30:07.600
do feel like we've all been fleeced that we've

02:30:07.600 --> 02:30:11.280
all been taken advantage of as a populace. And

02:30:11.280 --> 02:30:13.379
I'm about done with that. Like I'm, I'm sick

02:30:13.379 --> 02:30:17.129
of it. I also like most people. I have no idea

02:30:17.129 --> 02:30:19.170
what to do about it. And I think that you guys

02:30:19.170 --> 02:30:22.229
have done a great job of being open and forthright

02:30:22.229 --> 02:30:24.649
and earnest. I will say I don't always agree

02:30:24.649 --> 02:30:28.409
with everything that's said. Sure. But I've also

02:30:28.409 --> 02:30:32.870
had like my eyes open to very specific viewpoints

02:30:32.870 --> 02:30:35.670
and ideas and concepts that otherwise I would

02:30:35.670 --> 02:30:38.930
have been closed off to. And I think that healthy

02:30:38.930 --> 02:30:41.450
debate like that actually debate and discussion

02:30:41.450 --> 02:30:43.709
used to happen. You know, where you get in a

02:30:43.709 --> 02:30:46.010
room with somebody and they say, well, I'm really

02:30:46.010 --> 02:30:49.090
a firm believer of this. Tell me why you believe

02:30:49.090 --> 02:30:53.850
in that. And then you shut your mouth and take

02:30:53.850 --> 02:30:57.209
it in and listen. And then you say, well, would

02:30:57.209 --> 02:30:59.670
you like to hear what my opinion is? And then

02:30:59.670 --> 02:31:02.690
you go back and then you learn from each other

02:31:02.690 --> 02:31:04.969
and it, you know, it meshes, it comes together

02:31:04.969 --> 02:31:08.209
like that. Usually, usually people aren't as

02:31:08.209 --> 02:31:11.600
far apart as what they think. Right. That was

02:31:11.600 --> 02:31:13.819
even, you know, if I had a message for Ed, I'd

02:31:13.819 --> 02:31:16.020
say we're not really that far apart. I mean,

02:31:16.100 --> 02:31:19.700
you know, he's in, you know, his his. Well, I

02:31:19.700 --> 02:31:21.420
guess he's on tour right now, but he's in his

02:31:21.420 --> 02:31:24.079
home. I'm in my home. The reality is, you know,

02:31:24.079 --> 02:31:27.979
we don't actually have to fight. But if it's

02:31:27.979 --> 02:31:29.600
a fight you want, well, then you're going to

02:31:29.600 --> 02:31:31.920
get fucked up. Right. Well, I'm saying, like,

02:31:31.959 --> 02:31:33.700
I think if there was a face to face conversation,

02:31:33.959 --> 02:31:36.620
there would be like it would probably work out.

02:31:36.680 --> 02:31:39.530
But. whatever route he wants to go it could go

02:31:39.530 --> 02:31:45.670
uh what is it by the way here's another funny

02:31:45.670 --> 02:31:48.690
thing on the side of that i've literally now

02:31:48.690 --> 02:31:50.670
of course this was like in my 20s i got in a

02:31:50.670 --> 02:31:54.030
scrap and a guy in a bar in canada i know it

02:31:54.030 --> 02:31:57.889
was the calgary stampede and uh it was right

02:31:57.889 --> 02:32:00.569
after we played and we both like fell to the

02:32:00.569 --> 02:32:02.889
ground trying to punch each other on the ground

02:32:02.889 --> 02:32:07.430
i'm not And simultaneously, we both sensed security

02:32:07.430 --> 02:32:10.129
was headed towards us. And we jumped up and we

02:32:10.129 --> 02:32:12.829
like bellied up to the bar and like ordered drinks

02:32:12.829 --> 02:32:15.790
and security bypassed us. They didn't see us.

02:32:16.549 --> 02:32:18.629
And I wound up buying the guy a drink. He was

02:32:18.629 --> 02:32:20.170
like, are you really going to buy me my beer?

02:32:20.270 --> 02:32:21.989
And I was like, yeah, I was like, are you OK?

02:32:22.170 --> 02:32:24.850
And he's like, no, I'm fine. Are you OK? I'm

02:32:24.850 --> 02:32:26.790
not joking. And then minutes later, like we were

02:32:26.790 --> 02:32:28.090
sitting there, we're like, well, that was about

02:32:28.090 --> 02:32:30.129
the dumbest thing we ever did. And, you know,

02:32:30.149 --> 02:32:32.049
our common enemy in the moment happened to be

02:32:32.049 --> 02:32:33.530
the security guards that were going to throw

02:32:33.530 --> 02:32:36.389
us out. Right. You know, people can come back

02:32:36.389 --> 02:32:39.170
together. Damn it. There is possibility for peace

02:32:39.170 --> 02:32:41.889
out there. You just have to you know, it's funny.

02:32:41.969 --> 02:32:45.450
It's Ed Kowalczyk that taught me that peace is

02:32:45.450 --> 02:32:50.489
an active thing. It's active. Peace is now. He

02:32:50.489 --> 02:32:54.270
didn't say after the lawsuit, after the whatever.

02:32:54.530 --> 02:32:57.309
He said it was now. It's right now. And that

02:32:57.309 --> 02:33:00.149
opportunity is out there. That's just the reality.

02:33:00.430 --> 02:33:02.389
And, you know, if you get rid of the lawyers

02:33:02.389 --> 02:33:04.739
and all the nonsense. And you could get in a

02:33:04.739 --> 02:33:06.840
room, boy, I bet you you could get to the bottom

02:33:06.840 --> 02:33:10.180
of some agreements. But in the meantime, the

02:33:10.180 --> 02:33:12.180
fans have to suffer through, well, there's his

02:33:12.180 --> 02:33:14.139
story and his side, and then there's our story

02:33:14.139 --> 02:33:16.719
and our side. And, you know, the real truth won't

02:33:16.719 --> 02:33:18.700
ever come out because I don't even know the real

02:33:18.700 --> 02:33:21.719
truth anymore. Right. You know, there's just

02:33:21.719 --> 02:33:25.020
positions and opinions. I mean, there's also

02:33:25.020 --> 02:33:28.319
material evidence. I would say that I feel pretty

02:33:28.319 --> 02:33:30.319
good about that, but I'm sure he feels good about

02:33:30.319 --> 02:33:33.569
his side too. Sure. Well, that's the thing. But

02:33:33.569 --> 02:33:36.309
you guys are trying to be grown men about it.

02:33:36.510 --> 02:33:39.370
And it could be handled nice and you guys could

02:33:39.370 --> 02:33:41.209
get in a room and talk. Or it could be handled

02:33:41.209 --> 02:33:43.690
where you guys are not a part of it and the lawyers

02:33:43.690 --> 02:33:46.569
are hashing it out. And, you know, it plays out

02:33:46.569 --> 02:33:48.469
how that plays out. So, I mean, there's options.

02:33:49.110 --> 02:33:51.829
I think we should call in Jane's Addiction to

02:33:51.829 --> 02:33:55.549
consult for us. Yeah, there you go. Yeah, if

02:33:55.549 --> 02:33:59.729
they could. Well, and even who? The brothers.

02:34:00.209 --> 02:34:06.309
I just want to say that at least if Ed and the

02:34:06.309 --> 02:34:09.229
other members of live got into a physical altercation

02:34:09.229 --> 02:34:11.930
on stage, it wouldn't look that bad in between.

02:34:12.690 --> 02:34:15.549
Like we would like we would hit each other with

02:34:15.549 --> 02:34:18.010
iron based mites and shit. There would be blood

02:34:18.010 --> 02:34:20.110
like you would know that we got into a fight.

02:34:20.370 --> 02:34:25.909
Right. I have good faith that that. What little

02:34:25.909 --> 02:34:28.389
bit I do know about this band is had it ever

02:34:28.389 --> 02:34:30.229
turned into that, it would have devolved into

02:34:30.229 --> 02:34:35.850
a full all -out scrap. These are manly men, and

02:34:35.850 --> 02:34:38.549
we would have fought that way. Not, well, I'm

02:34:38.549 --> 02:34:40.370
just grabbing your jacket and, like, shaking

02:34:40.370 --> 02:34:43.110
you. It wouldn't happen like that. Yeah, because

02:34:43.110 --> 02:34:44.370
you're also passionate. It would have been a

02:34:44.370 --> 02:34:46.829
fucking fight to the death. Well, we're more

02:34:46.829 --> 02:34:49.819
fans of the replacements. You know, and the replacements

02:34:49.819 --> 02:34:51.659
would just drop their instruments, bloody each

02:34:51.659 --> 02:34:53.659
other, walk off the stage, clean up and come

02:34:53.659 --> 02:34:56.719
back on and finish the show. I mean, that's professional.

02:34:56.819 --> 02:35:01.719
Let's be professionals. Let's go with that. So,

02:35:01.840 --> 02:35:03.559
Chad Taylor, let the audience know. I'm sure

02:35:03.559 --> 02:35:05.340
they know already, but where they can find you

02:35:05.340 --> 02:35:08.979
for social media. And then again, be on the lookout

02:35:08.979 --> 02:35:11.059
for that album and see what he's got going on

02:35:11.059 --> 02:35:12.399
on the tour. I know he wants to get out there.

02:35:13.399 --> 02:35:16.659
Yeah, well. to the easiest one is my Instagram,

02:35:16.760 --> 02:35:19.739
which is Chad Taylor underscore live. And then,

02:35:19.739 --> 02:35:23.319
uh, people do request my Facebook thing, but

02:35:23.319 --> 02:35:27.020
I'm, I don't, I'm barely ever on there. Uh, but

02:35:27.020 --> 02:35:28.739
yeah, I mean, you can definitely fight me, find

02:35:28.739 --> 02:35:31.299
me by typing in Chad Taylor and, and the word

02:35:31.299 --> 02:35:37.000
live and, uh, yeah. And I will announce at some

02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:40.280
point a website and all that kind of stuff. You

02:35:40.280 --> 02:35:45.360
know, this is just, uh, There is no real great

02:35:45.360 --> 02:35:48.059
way to roll any of this stuff out anymore. Chad

02:35:48.059 --> 02:35:50.079
Gracie was in charge of rolling out The Gracious

02:35:50.079 --> 02:35:52.040
You all those years ago, and he put up little

02:35:52.040 --> 02:35:54.579
teasers and all these things. He was so great

02:35:54.579 --> 02:35:57.860
at it. Maybe I should hand that over to Mercy

02:35:57.860 --> 02:36:00.239
Revival to give him the keys and tell him to

02:36:00.239 --> 02:36:04.420
do that. It's a lot. Not only do we have to get

02:36:04.420 --> 02:36:06.959
all the music together, all the new songs, all

02:36:06.959 --> 02:36:10.079
that stuff rehearsed, record. Oh, but we have

02:36:10.079 --> 02:36:12.040
to have a website. Now you have to have a social

02:36:12.040 --> 02:36:17.120
media presence. I just remember in the old days

02:36:17.120 --> 02:36:20.299
where the hardest thing that we had to do was

02:36:20.299 --> 02:36:25.000
get a little flyer and go put it on some kid's

02:36:25.000 --> 02:36:27.340
car at a high school parking lot and say, come

02:36:27.340 --> 02:36:32.020
to our under 21 dance. Yeah. My biggest advice

02:36:32.020 --> 02:36:33.940
would be... Go ahead, Chad. I'm sorry. I was

02:36:33.940 --> 02:36:35.680
going to say my biggest advice is start a TikTok

02:36:35.680 --> 02:36:37.979
page and go live on TikTok all the time. That's

02:36:37.979 --> 02:36:41.059
what you should do. And I am on TikTok, by the

02:36:41.059 --> 02:36:45.739
way. Not only am I on TikTok, but I do go live

02:36:45.739 --> 02:36:50.680
on TikTok. And TikTok is by far my preferred

02:36:50.680 --> 02:36:53.520
social media platform. I mean, it is where I'm

02:36:53.520 --> 02:36:57.020
discovering new artists. They don't live... I

02:36:57.020 --> 02:36:59.559
do discover some stuff on Instagram, but man,

02:36:59.639 --> 02:37:03.250
TikTok... Oh, man, what's this band out of Quebec?

02:37:03.770 --> 02:37:09.489
They're called... It's like, it means tightness

02:37:09.489 --> 02:37:12.770
of the chest. It's like... Angine de Portney

02:37:12.770 --> 02:37:16.829
or something? Yeah, de Portney. Yeah, they're

02:37:16.829 --> 02:37:19.329
from out of Quebec. They're a duo, and they're,

02:37:19.329 --> 02:37:21.389
like, all dressed up like dots, and they start

02:37:21.389 --> 02:37:23.850
every show with, like, doing, like, the triangle.

02:37:24.190 --> 02:37:27.229
Illuminati? Oh, yeah, but they full -on do all

02:37:27.229 --> 02:37:30.000
this shit. and they're like you would have no

02:37:30.000 --> 02:37:31.940
idea what they look like because they're they

02:37:31.940 --> 02:37:34.780
have a polka dotted background and then they're

02:37:34.780 --> 02:37:36.959
like in inverse colors in front of them they're

02:37:36.959 --> 02:37:39.700
only a duo and they play with a looper but it's

02:37:39.700 --> 02:37:41.799
some of the most inventive music i've heard i

02:37:41.799 --> 02:37:45.379
love that looping shit so creative so good and

02:37:45.379 --> 02:37:49.020
the drummer is just like freaking badass um i

02:37:49.020 --> 02:37:52.329
mean like i'm really into that like i like i'd

02:37:52.329 --> 02:37:54.530
love to play shows with them oh my god it's cool

02:37:54.530 --> 02:37:57.450
to watch them build the loop too like even that

02:37:57.450 --> 02:38:00.489
part is cool yeah and these guys are like they're

02:38:00.489 --> 02:38:02.329
they're doing some pretty out there i mean it

02:38:02.329 --> 02:38:04.129
is a little math rocky like they're playing some

02:38:04.129 --> 02:38:06.889
stuff in like six seven and uh you know like

02:38:06.889 --> 02:38:10.010
weird time signatures what is my tiktok someone

02:38:10.010 --> 02:38:13.190
wants to know i don't it was chad taylor tiktok

02:38:13.190 --> 02:38:17.889
something hold on let me i was terrible at this

02:38:17.889 --> 02:38:23.520
yeah Official Chad Taylor is the TikTok. Official

02:38:23.520 --> 02:38:26.260
Chad Taylor is the TikTok. Official bonafide

02:38:26.260 --> 02:38:29.860
Chad Taylor. It's official bonafide. I think

02:38:29.860 --> 02:38:33.059
there's only like three posts up there. Probably

02:38:33.059 --> 02:38:37.100
alcohol related, alcoholic related, sobriety

02:38:37.100 --> 02:38:39.280
related. Those seem to be some of my favorite

02:38:39.280 --> 02:38:41.979
stories. But guys, I deeply appreciate you having

02:38:41.979 --> 02:38:45.000
me on as a guest. I love it. You're welcome.

02:38:45.059 --> 02:38:47.520
Thanks for coming on. as always yeah it's it's

02:38:47.520 --> 02:38:49.219
been so much fun and we're going to do this again

02:38:49.219 --> 02:38:51.540
sometime soon i mean we gotta keep it up and

02:38:51.540 --> 02:38:56.120
and listen i promise you this that when i'm ready

02:38:56.120 --> 02:38:59.840
to reveal the band members that are in this thing

02:38:59.840 --> 02:39:03.020
perhaps we could also have them on as a guest

02:39:03.020 --> 02:39:07.659
yes super cool sure yeah yes do that uh and one

02:39:07.659 --> 02:39:09.479
thing i want to say for for you chad taylor for

02:39:09.479 --> 02:39:11.719
for the like getting the name out for this band

02:39:11.719 --> 02:39:14.569
mercy revival stuff engagement dude if people

02:39:14.569 --> 02:39:16.610
are on your socials and stuff and they're commenting

02:39:16.610 --> 02:39:19.950
comment back uh and get them going they'll once

02:39:19.950 --> 02:39:22.870
you start corresponding with them it'll get bigger

02:39:22.870 --> 02:39:25.569
and bigger and snowball and that's key to getting

02:39:25.569 --> 02:39:27.629
the word out because if they're commenting on

02:39:27.629 --> 02:39:29.649
your shit they want to hear from you and you

02:39:29.649 --> 02:39:31.489
start doing that they start responding more and

02:39:31.489 --> 02:39:33.870
it builds up so that would be a suggestion you're

02:39:33.870 --> 02:39:35.670
saying i should write back what do i say here

02:39:35.670 --> 02:39:40.530
yes Or get an AI bot to, you know, come up with

02:39:40.530 --> 02:39:43.909
your personality. No, AI is too good already.

02:39:44.290 --> 02:39:48.670
I will intentionally, while there's artificial

02:39:48.670 --> 02:39:51.370
intelligence, I will intentionally keep it dumbed

02:39:51.370 --> 02:39:55.030
down for everyone. Boom. Perfect. Christian,

02:39:55.370 --> 02:39:57.450
if you try to get in touch with Chad Taylor,

02:39:57.629 --> 02:40:00.129
it takes a while to get in contact with him.

02:40:00.170 --> 02:40:01.969
You can reach us at the Gracious 2. I'll get

02:40:01.969 --> 02:40:04.979
the word to them. And one other thing, yeah.

02:40:05.420 --> 02:40:09.420
And if you guys are taking too long to get in

02:40:09.420 --> 02:40:11.780
the studio together, I will push you to do the

02:40:11.780 --> 02:40:14.899
Gracious 2 theme to start it off. So keep that

02:40:14.899 --> 02:40:16.819
in your brain. If you don't want to do that,

02:40:16.899 --> 02:40:19.979
have another song. Actually, it's funny. You

02:40:19.979 --> 02:40:23.659
guys said that was an AI song. I mean, it was

02:40:23.659 --> 02:40:27.360
actually very good. Not bad. That's kind of scary

02:40:27.360 --> 02:40:31.319
how right on it was. If you tweak it, you could

02:40:31.319 --> 02:40:34.889
get to it. Just prompts, dude. It's crazy. I

02:40:34.889 --> 02:40:38.010
just got to think about how to prop you guys

02:40:38.010 --> 02:40:40.549
up. I want it to be more edgy like the Howard

02:40:40.549 --> 02:40:44.030
Stern theme song that Rob Zombie did. Yes. When

02:40:44.030 --> 02:40:46.129
you needle drop it, I want to be like, oh, man,

02:40:46.170 --> 02:40:49.969
this show's got a lot of energy. Yep. To match

02:40:49.969 --> 02:40:54.049
my we are. Anyway, dude, thank you so much. Yeah,

02:40:54.069 --> 02:40:55.329
we got to do this. We got to do this more. Every

02:40:55.329 --> 02:40:58.530
time you come on, we touch on a bunch of shit.

02:40:58.549 --> 02:41:00.430
The audience loves it, but we're just surface

02:41:00.430 --> 02:41:02.670
touching. We got so much more to get to. Thank

02:41:02.670 --> 02:41:04.510
you for coming on. I did receive a text from

02:41:04.510 --> 02:41:07.729
my mother, and she said we did much better with

02:41:07.729 --> 02:41:11.090
our cursing. Oh, good, good, good. Yes. Thank

02:41:11.090 --> 02:41:12.750
you, Mr. Taylor. I got to say happy birthday

02:41:12.750 --> 02:41:15.049
to my brother. It's my brother Scott Gracie's

02:41:15.049 --> 02:41:17.809
birthday today. Happy birthday, Scotty. Scotty,

02:41:17.809 --> 02:41:20.829
happy birthday. Happy birthday, Scotty G. Chad

02:41:20.829 --> 02:41:24.430
Taylor, thank you, my man. Peace. Peace. Three

02:41:24.430 --> 02:41:28.030
-finger shimmy. We're out of here. The one and

02:41:28.030 --> 02:41:32.350
only Chad with a shimmy. That's a three -finger

02:41:32.350 --> 02:41:35.889
shimmy. We used to do that. I think Sean Williams,

02:41:36.110 --> 02:41:37.409
a friend of ours, Sean Williams, came up with

02:41:37.409 --> 02:41:40.069
that three -finger shimmy. That's my three -finger

02:41:40.069 --> 02:41:43.250
shimmy. That's two in the pink, one in the stink,

02:41:43.350 --> 02:41:48.450
my friend. Shocker, baby. Anyway, great show,

02:41:48.469 --> 02:41:51.629
man. Yeah, every time we have Mom, we just touch

02:41:51.629 --> 02:41:52.950
on everything. It's always a great show, but

02:41:52.950 --> 02:41:55.530
we could talk to him for hours if my bladder

02:41:55.530 --> 02:41:58.649
would hold. My mom is thanking me for saying

02:41:58.649 --> 02:42:02.079
happy birthday to my brother. Scott's not even

02:42:02.079 --> 02:42:04.899
on Facebook or frigging Instagram anyway. I talked

02:42:04.899 --> 02:42:10.319
to him earlier, Mom. Yeah, Mom. Corenza, I can't

02:42:10.319 --> 02:42:12.379
keep up with you, young lady. You send out some

02:42:12.379 --> 02:42:14.959
wackiness. You should write a book, I think.

02:42:16.100 --> 02:42:18.200
But it's been another gracious. No, it's not

02:42:18.200 --> 02:42:19.520
a gracious Tuesday. It's a gracious Wednesday.

02:42:20.120 --> 02:42:21.700
Whip them out Wednesday, ladies. We'll be back

02:42:21.700 --> 02:42:24.709
Tuesday next week, people. Yes, we will. I think

02:42:24.709 --> 02:42:26.889
we have two shows next week, to be honest. And

02:42:26.889 --> 02:42:28.809
like I said, Whip Him Out Wednesdays, if you

02:42:28.809 --> 02:42:30.690
want to send us your pictures with your boobs

02:42:30.690 --> 02:42:33.950
out, we're here for you. Thank you, gracious

02:42:33.950 --> 02:42:36.329
audience. It's been fun. You want to have Bobby

02:42:36.329 --> 02:42:39.770
come on and say goodbye real quick? Come on,

02:42:39.770 --> 02:42:44.829
Bobby. Have a good day, guys. Like, subscribe.

02:42:45.370 --> 02:42:50.690
Like and subscribe. Yes. Great show. Thank you,

02:42:50.709 --> 02:42:53.350
dude. Thank you. Like, subscribe, share, follow.

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baby. Nice. She looked hot, by the way. God bless.

02:43:22.620 --> 02:43:24.639
She's definitely the best looking first lady.

02:43:25.100 --> 02:43:29.079
I love when CNN tries to put up Michelle Obama

02:43:29.079 --> 02:43:32.180
compared to Melania's best looking first lady.

02:43:32.280 --> 02:43:35.579
I'm like, come on. I mean, Michelle Obama is

02:43:35.579 --> 02:43:38.079
not, I wouldn't call her ugly by any stance,

02:43:38.200 --> 02:43:43.100
but she's not as pretty as fucking Melania. She's

02:43:43.100 --> 02:43:47.200
not a model. I'm pretty sure Melania was a model

02:43:47.200 --> 02:43:50.780
and Michelle was, I don't know, a lawyer. I don't

02:43:50.780 --> 02:43:54.959
know. Yeah, definitely the hottest first lady

02:43:54.959 --> 02:43:57.819
by far. Maybe Michelle's a close second, but

02:43:57.819 --> 02:44:00.600
I'm trying to think if there was any. Jackie

02:44:00.600 --> 02:44:03.399
O. Oh, that's right. She would be the second.

02:44:03.479 --> 02:44:06.760
Yeah, you're right. And then Michelle. And then

02:44:06.760 --> 02:44:10.819
Eleanor Roosevelt. Just kidding. Oh, Barbara

02:44:10.819 --> 02:44:14.500
Bush, bro. That was the most hideous one, man.

02:44:14.950 --> 02:44:18.870
I don't know. Eleanor Roosevelt's pretty. Dude,

02:44:18.870 --> 02:44:22.590
but hold on. So as I'm back in the day thinking

02:44:22.590 --> 02:44:25.329
Barbara Bush, I'm like, how the fuck is President

02:44:25.329 --> 02:44:28.350
Bush fucking her, bro? That's disgusting. It

02:44:28.350 --> 02:44:31.090
comes out he wasn't. He was banging fucking dudes

02:44:31.090 --> 02:44:33.729
on Epstein's Island and eating them. So that's

02:44:33.729 --> 02:44:37.969
why he could have that marriage, that puppet

02:44:37.969 --> 02:44:40.610
marriage. It was a fairytale marriage. He wasn't

02:44:40.610 --> 02:44:43.469
into her. He was into banging kids and eating

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02:45:09.340 --> 02:45:10.680
Well, let me take this down. I'm going to put

02:45:10.680 --> 02:45:13.700
up Trisha's GoFundMe one more time in the top

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right, folks. Please do. So if you want to scan

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that QR code, it'll bring you right to her page.

02:45:20.459 --> 02:45:22.420
But good. Glad she's out of the coma now and

02:45:22.420 --> 02:45:24.059
starting to come around. But yeah, a lot of stuff

02:45:24.059 --> 02:45:26.840
still need to be taken care of. So any amount

02:45:26.840 --> 02:45:30.100
helps there, folks. All right, Mr. Gracie, we're

02:45:30.100 --> 02:45:33.620
going black. Peace, everyone. Thank you.